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Soul Flight
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Suicide does present a hiccup in my theory.
I think suicide is ok if you are Buddha or Jesus. But suicide for petty problems is wrong. Maybe crippling depression is a reason for suicide.
Maybe there is no free will and someone’s suicide for the Christmas goodies is already predetermined. Maybe there is no time and only the now and you already died or committed suicide. No one is keeping score or judging the rationale for suicides. It may be you go back in time and live each life and have to witness your suicide from other perspectives. There is no time so you are each person and in eternity and god and the whole universe.
Edited by Soul Flight (10/09/23 04:30 PM)
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GenesisCorrupted
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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: Soul Flight]
#28497852 - 10/09/23 04:28 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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Soul Flight said: Suicide does present a hiccup in my theory.
I think suicide is ok if you are Buddha or Jesus. But suicide for petty problems is wrong. Maybe crippling depression is a reason for suicide.
Maybe there is no free will and someone’s suicide for the Christmas goodies is already predetermined. Maybe there is no time and only the now and you already dies or committed suicide. No one is keeping score or judging the rationale for suicides. It maybe you go back in time and live each life and have to witness your suicide from other perspectives. There is no time so you are each person and in eternity and god and the whole universe.
If you’re dying to serve a higher purpose. Then it doesn’t count as suicide. Counts as dying for a higher purpose. Like the monk that burned himself to death.
But if you killed yourself. To me that feels like you weren’t ready to move on. You need to get reincarnated back here again. Hopefully your life won’t be so horrible that you can’t finish again. If someone’s environment is too toxic for them to flourish. They just need to be planted in a different garden.
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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: Soul Flight]
#28497853 - 10/09/23 04:29 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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I suspect we can control reality. The paradox is to get this power you must realize everything is perfect just the way it is and does not need to be changed.
You can also commit suicide without repurcussion but to achieve this you must realize we are all one and there is no time and therefore there is no point in killing yourself. But “repurcussions” imply someone is keeping score.
Edited by Soul Flight (10/09/23 04:31 PM)
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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: Soul Flight]
#28497858 - 10/09/23 04:31 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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I never implied there are repercussions. I implied that you shortened your spiritual education. Somebody can’t just leave school because they don’t want to anymore. And expect to get the incredible job that they always heard about. If they want that incredible job. They need to complete their education. Spiritually. I feel that would mean you need to be reincarnated and try again.
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Soul Flight
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I dig it. I was self referencing myself. I used the word repurcussions.
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redgreenvines said: Many people who believe that opt for suicide as a short cut to the Christmas goodies.
I think it is delusional.
you get it worse as you die you would know this if you watched a spider die it is extremely sufferingfull and doesn't get better or more preferable in the process
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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: John]
#28498211 - 10/09/23 09:02 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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redgreenvines said: my people with wonder, bury, cremate, or go for the mushroom burial. I really should write my preferences and when that is over, they will have friends and family and eat snacks. I will crop up in conversations and some people will get pleasure from some of my paintings. some people will miss me, and some will feel like I am always with them. That's up to them. like that I suppose.
once my brain stops making new memories, I'm done.
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you can take yourself too seriously. but with the same equipment (your mind) you can be here and now, and that's a big load off.
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I wasn’t trying to be rude. I should’ve asked. But I’m surprised you didn’t post it here.
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'I' 'reckon' that when 'you' die 'you' cease to be alive as 'you' once were.
That's about all I can gather and say with any amount of confidence thus far, and i still twisted it for a glimmer of hope that something kewl happens, as in, anything - although - infinite rebirths across infinite time sounds a lot like its own version of eternal damnation, at least, to me it does.
Having this experience here & now is already more than I could have already bargained for in the first place (when I wasn't born) - so - not knowing one way or the other if there are any more surprises or not once the body has fully relinquished its cellular bioelectrochemical activity wrt our being alive, ie, giving up the ghost, running on empty, or w/e, I think of more as intriguing than as depressing, impressive, or exciting ~ imho. Intriguing, due to the fact that it is beyond any living human being's limits wrt what they can and cannot know due to the most basic of circumstances required for those two things to be possible not being met whilst one is beyond any doubt whatsoever - fully dead / completely unalive.
If an OBE/NDE occurs ~ then so be it, that'd be a pretty sweet ending, too. However, that's more than likely hallucingenic in nature. I've experienced a number of them and when compared to the numerous experiences wrt dreaming or having visions with or without the aide of relatively large doses of certain psychedelics or dissociatives, simply are too alike in nature to be completely unrelated. It seems obvious, but it also seems to be heavy enough of an experience that many, if not maybe most, might believe it otherwise; as in, real & true - not of mind.
Sometimes I'll read or hear someone who believes them as evidence saying something to the efx of:
"There's no way I could have hallucinated all of that, it was the realest experience i've ever felt/seen/heard/tasted/smelled in my entire life!"
hnnn...k. nothing fishy about that...
In short, I say this to express an opinion, that - any talk about an afterlife using those kinds of experiences as some sort of supreme evidence for said afterlife, seems childish to me, like a child literally not knowing that when they sleep & dream - and having done so, flown across the sky in their dreams and met their deceased grandparents etc - waking up, tells their parents about how the aforementioned ex just happened as if it were a reality for all those currently aware/alive/present. That's what using NDE's as proof seems like to me, incredibly naive, especially if/when coming from an adult.
So, while semi-open to the possibility of something/anything, rather than just pure unadulterated voidness...ehh... I suppose what I'm trying to say is that it doesn't make a significant difference upon the here & now, unless one is led to believe it does one way as opposed to the other, also, letting either way of thinking be as if synonymous with that of some sort of pure truth, as if sealed in stone itself for all living things, or something - ie - never subject to change...that also seems like the height of folly.
Nature's going to nature naturally regardless of what I think it may or may not actually do or not do, although the manner in which any given sensed moment of thought forms and how it may or may not exert some degree of influence upon the rest of nature can be a fun subject to entertain, more so wrt how it efx our own perception(s), and by extent, actions within and across a system wrt operating as per whatever mental-matrix we may find ourselves traversing with and in while going about our lives in the shared world of things.
Least we can actually do atm is partake in partly mapping out & sharing parts of said shapeshifty-mind matrix, and, hopefully, wisely utilize any knowledge we may have of it for whatever decent purposes we can realistically enact for living a decent or well-lived life during this very life.
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Brings me great comfort to know I will rot in a hole, completely unaware, and my matter will then be repeatedly eaten and shit back out by various organisms to sustain their silly little organism lives for the rest of eternity
I’ll be pissed if I find out this shit is forever
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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: Nonagon] 1
#28499388 - 10/10/23 08:36 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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I always liked Robert Anton Wilson’s “cheerf reflections on dying” article. You used to be able to read it for free somewhere (I have a copy saved to a thumb drive), but I can’t seem to find a link for y’all.
If you find it—it’s worth a read.
As for me I actually have no firm ideas, but I have no fear either. It’ll happen, probably sooner than I ought to given my personal vices, and lll see what I “see”, or I won’t and I won’t be there to worry about it.
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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: Milleresque]
#28499397 - 10/10/23 08:51 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Dooshy looking vid about real psychedelic therapy. You should always be trying to be better as a person. Whether thats just listening, telling a joke, or learning.
Edited by GenesisCorrupted (10/11/23 04:13 AM)
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trying what better?
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If you could fully inform yourself I doubt death would be much more than life.
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