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Anonymous #1

Complete numbing of hands and uncomfortable sensations
    #28504092 - 10/14/23 08:29 AM (3 months, 13 days ago)

My gf tried shrooms for the first time. I prepared 2.15 grams with lemon tea. She took a few sips, ate one wet shroom and about 30 - 60 mins later she said that she does not feel her hands anymore and feels uncomfortable or disgusting in her own body. She also described it like she does not feel like she is in her own body, almost like having out of body experiences. After a few hours she said she had ego death.

Anybody have similar experiences or know what causes this? I'm guessing she had less than 1 gram total out of what I prepared. I speculated that maybe her body was creating so many signals, that her brain stopped listening. I read that there are some similar threads about numbness being caused by vasoconstriction. I held her hands and they did not seem cold.


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Re: Complete numbing of hands and uncomfortable sensations [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #28504566 - 10/14/23 05:10 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

Any medications or other drugs in the mix? Health issues? I know when I get anxious, tripping or not, and I get uncomfortable my hands will get clammy and numb. It could just be from being overwhelmed by the experience


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Re: Complete numbing of hands and uncomfortable sensations [Re: DoomShroom420]
    #28505063 - 10/15/23 03:40 AM (3 months, 12 days ago)

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Any medications or other drugs in the mix? Health issues? I know when I get anxious, tripping or not, and I get uncomfortable my hands will get clammy and numb. It could just be from being overwhelmed by the experience




Some allergy pills. No other known medical issues. Might be overwhelming indeed. Thank you.


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Re: Complete numbing of hands and uncomfortable sensations [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #28505698 - 10/15/23 03:15 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

it feels like a quite normal first time sub dose experiance..
one tends to get stuck in the realm of not "getting there" and are mostly experiancing the "Complete numbing of hands and uncomfortable sensations" instead.

i hope she didnt get discouraged by this and that she with some time wants to try it again..

maybe with one or 2 close somewhat experianced friends around. it usually makes the space abit safer and easier to let go and have fun when one doesnt thinks to much of one self


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Re: Complete numbing of hands and uncomfortable sensations [Re: soppos]
    #28506860 - 10/16/23 01:00 PM (3 months, 11 days ago)

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it feels like a quite normal first time sub dose experiance..
one tends to get stuck in the realm of not "getting there" and are mostly experiancing the "Complete numbing of hands and uncomfortable sensations" instead.

i hope she didnt get discouraged by this and that she with some time wants to try it again..

maybe with one or 2 close somewhat experianced friends around. it usually makes the space abit safer and easier to let go and have fun when one doesnt thinks to much of one self



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soppos said:
it feels like a quite normal first time sub dose experiance..
one tends to get stuck in the realm of not "getting there" and are mostly experiancing the "Complete numbing of hands and uncomfortable sensations" instead.

i hope she didnt get discouraged by this and that she with some time wants to try it again..

maybe with one or 2 close somewhat experianced friends around. it usually makes the space abit safer and easier to let go and have fun when one doesnt thinks to much of one self




Thank you. She did get discouraged, but I might be able to convince her to try pan cyan due to anecdotes about much less or no body load


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Re: Complete numbing of hands and uncomfortable sensations [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #28506875 - 10/16/23 01:18 PM (3 months, 11 days ago)

i wouldnt give cyans to any beginner. could scare the living fukk out of her, they are f-in strong and can/will rip you to pieces if not ready for what comes.

try a lighter dose, outside with friends/you first. do something fun and play around abit, so that the mind isnt so focused on how it tingles around. give the experiance some room to develop rather than closing it in inside.
then slowly progress into the deeper levels of possibility..


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Re: Complete numbing of hands and uncomfortable sensations [Re: soppos] * 1
    #28506961 - 10/16/23 02:22 PM (3 months, 11 days ago)

It sounds like she has body shame coming to the surface.  My ex-wife used to go through this on cubes, not the numbing part, that's the subs for sure.  But the feeling disgusted by her body and uncomfortable in her skin.  Could of course be body load too.  But I wouldn't rule out a psychological factor.

What does she think ego death is?  Letting go and becoming one with all sense experience for a stable period of time?  Or something aside from that?


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Re: Complete numbing of hands and uncomfortable sensations [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #28507192 - 10/16/23 05:39 PM (3 months, 10 days ago)



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Re: Complete numbing of hands and uncomfortable sensations [Re: tree frog]
    #28508196 - 10/17/23 01:56 PM (3 months, 10 days ago)

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It sounds like she has body shame coming to the surface.  My ex-wife used to go through this on cubes, not the numbing part, that's the subs for sure.  But the feeling disgusted by her body and uncomfortable in her skin.  Could of course be body load too.  But I wouldn't rule out a psychological factor.

What does she think ego death is?  Letting go and becoming one with all sense experience for a stable period of time?  Or something aside from that?




That theory has merit. She is not ashamed of her naked body, but it's quite possible that she is not fully comfortable either.
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It sounds like she has body shame coming to the surface.  My ex-wife used to go through this on cubes, not the numbing part, that's the subs for sure.  But the feeling disgusted by her body and uncomfortable in her skin.  Could of course be body load too.  But I wouldn't rule out a psychological factor.

What does she think ego death is?  Letting go and becoming one with all sense experience for a stable period of time?  Or something aside from that?



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tree frog said:
It sounds like she has body shame coming to the surface.  My ex-wife used to go through this on cubes, not the numbing part, that's the subs for sure.  But the feeling disgusted by her body and uncomfortable in her skin.  Could of course be body load too.  But I wouldn't rule out a psychological factor.

What does she think ego death is?  Letting go and becoming one with all sense experience for a stable period of time?  Or something aside from that?




That theory has merit. She is not ashamed of her naked body and normally feels comfortable, but can't rule out that she experienced some body shaming in her childhood.


By ego death she meant that she felt like she didn't have a self anymore or couldn't say like the experience was something she was experiencing, instead the experience existed without a sense of self, if that makes sense. Her body was not her body. She also felt electricity in her hands and almost like her body is paralyzed.


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Re: Complete numbing of hands and uncomfortable sensations [Re: soppos]
    #28508198 - 10/17/23 01:57 PM (3 months, 10 days ago)

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I agree that everything that is uncomfortable is not necessarily bad


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Re: Complete numbing of hands and uncomfortable sensations [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #28508282 - 10/17/23 02:54 PM (3 months, 10 days ago)

the dialog with any psychedelic comes in many different ways. if one listens and are open for what comes up ususally something good will come from most experiances.

it can come easily and it can take time to listen.
her experiance is hers and is hard to describe to others. especially when one is not used to it..
nothing bad has happened, and its natural to feel uncomfortable at first and also for users who are used to it.

its in my perspective like to letting some other entity into your body/soul, letting in crawl around and give you information regarding whats in there.

i hope she will feel up to trying again sometime. changing some of the external variables (set/setting) can change how it feels.
i have read tons of books, watched everything i can get a hold of information wise during my last 20 years of digging within via psychedelics, and i still dont know shit.

but i have learnd to accept that it sometimes is uncomfortable to learn more about being me.


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Re: Complete numbing of hands and uncomfortable sensations [Re: Anonymous #1] * 1
    #28508799 - 10/17/23 09:36 PM (3 months, 9 days ago)

Yeah, it sounds like ego loss.  I tend to dislike ego death as a term because it implies it won't be back as soon as the drugs wear off, which can be confusing and make integration more difficult.

But it does sound like she got a peak behind the ever grasping "I" and that sense of ownership of self that comes with it.  Cool, insight imo. I hope she integrates it well.  Yoga, meditation, art, whatever she does for self care would probably help right now.

How is she doing with all of it anyway?


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Re: Complete numbing of hands and uncomfortable sensations [Re: tree frog]
    #28508922 - 10/18/23 01:15 AM (3 months, 9 days ago)

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Yeah, it sounds like ego loss.  I tend to dislike ego death as a term because it implies it won't be back as soon as the drugs wear off, which can be confusing and make integration more difficult.

But it does sound like she got a peak behind the ever grasping "I" and that sense of ownership of self that comes with it.  Cool, insight imo. I hope she integrates it well.  Yoga, meditation, art, whatever she does for self care would probably help right now.

How is she doing with all of it anyway?




Thank you. She feels like the experience did not leave a lasting negative impact in the sense that the experience is in the past and she feels fine now. Maybe she would be up for a microdose sometime, but anything larger I'm sceptical of at least with cubensis


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Re: Complete numbing of hands and uncomfortable sensations [Re: soppos]
    #28508924 - 10/18/23 01:17 AM (3 months, 9 days ago)

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soppos said:
the dialog with any psychedelic comes in many different ways. if one listens and are open for what comes up ususally something good will come from most experiances.

it can come easily and it can take time to listen.
her experiance is hers and is hard to describe to others. especially when one is not used to it..
nothing bad has happened, and its natural to feel uncomfortable at first and also for users who are used to it.

its in my perspective like to letting some other entity into your body/soul, letting in crawl around and give you information regarding whats in there.

i hope she will feel up to trying again sometime. changing some of the external variables (set/setting) can change how it feels.
i have read tons of books, watched everything i can get a hold of information wise during my last 20 years of digging within via psychedelics, and i still dont know shit.

but i have learnd to accept that it sometimes is uncomfortable to learn more about being me.



Thank you for your input. Sadly I cannot relate to how she felt and she tends to be very sensitive to what her body feels. We'll see if she would up for a micro or a mini dose sometime to keep exploring


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Re: Complete numbing of hands and uncomfortable sensations [Re: Anonymous #1] * 1
    #28508931 - 10/18/23 01:38 AM (3 months, 9 days ago)

My guess if she did experience ego loss, which can be both terrifying and freeing, is that she'll be back of her own volition at some point.  And the more gentle you can be with the process of her coming back to it, the more fruitful the outcomes.

Curiosity killed the cat.  Or in this case, a bit of her ego's sense of solidity.

Just keep nurturing her curiousity and she'll do the rest.


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Re: Complete numbing of hands and uncomfortable sensations [Re: tree frog]
    #28508934 - 10/18/23 01:45 AM (3 months, 9 days ago)

One more thought on hand numbing.  Especially if you gave her cubes and not woodlovers (i was confused on this earlier)

Is she as addicted to her phone as most people?  It's possible she's been tuning out body signals.

It's harder to do that on mushrooms.


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Re: Complete numbing of hands and uncomfortable sensations [Re: Anonymous #1] * 1
    #28508936 - 10/18/23 01:49 AM (3 months, 9 days ago)

Low doses are confusing she needs to do 2g+ otherwise it's going to be just another confusing in-between experience like someone already mentioned.

Also no that really wasn't ego loss, more like depersonalisation.


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Re: Complete numbing of hands and uncomfortable sensations [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #28508961 - 10/18/23 04:28 AM (3 months, 9 days ago)

:whathesaid:

give it some time, microdoses at first seems like a good idea to slowly change the "trauma" she had..
feed the curiosity around without pushing it on her, and then take a proper fully functional dose


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Re: Complete numbing of hands and uncomfortable sensations [Re: tree frog]
    #28508968 - 10/18/23 04:45 AM (3 months, 9 days ago)

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tree frog said:
One more thought on hand numbing.  Especially if you gave her cubes and not woodlovers (i was confused on this earlier)

Is she as addicted to her phone as most people?  It's possible she's been tuning out body signals.

It's harder to do that on mushrooms.



She does have the tendency to keep scrolling instagram for hours. Do you mean she's been tuning out body signals while using her phone?


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Re: Complete numbing of hands and uncomfortable sensations [Re: Giermmo]
    #28508972 - 10/18/23 04:47 AM (3 months, 9 days ago)

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Low doses are confusing she needs to do 2g+ otherwise it's going to be just another confusing in-between experience like someone already mentioned.

Also no that really wasn't ego loss, more like depersonalisation.



Depersonalization sounds very accurate. We did try lsd one time and then her whole body was numb. It was a total wreck of a rollercoaster where we both were reassuring each other that it will be over soon. Ended up lasting like 15 hours until we felt more or less normal


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Re: Complete numbing of hands and uncomfortable sensations [Re: soppos]
    #28508974 - 10/18/23 04:48 AM (3 months, 9 days ago)

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:whathesaid:

give it some time, microdoses at first seems like a good idea to slowly change the "trauma" she had..
feed the curiosity around without pushing it on her, and then take a proper fully functional dose



Solid advice, thank you


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Re: Complete numbing of hands and uncomfortable sensations [Re: soppos]
    #28508975 - 10/18/23 04:49 AM (3 months, 9 days ago)

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i wouldnt give cyans to any beginner. could scare the living fukk out of her, they are f-in strong and can/will rip you to pieces if not ready for what comes.

try a lighter dose, outside with friends/you first. do something fun and play around abit, so that the mind isnt so focused on how it tingles around. give the experiance some room to develop rather than closing it in inside.
then slowly progress into the deeper levels of possibility..




Solid advice. Thank you


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Re: Complete numbing of hands and uncomfortable sensations [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #28509107 - 10/18/23 07:32 AM (3 months, 9 days ago)

Yes, exactly.  The whole body numbness on lsd though sounds like body load which leaves me skeptical of what I said.

I don't know what she experienced.  But ego death/loss comes with a sense of freedom.  Ego is basically our fear of death.  We appropriate pieces of life, and hang on, trying to build something solid.  Letting go of all of that tastes like freedom.

I think she still may have glimpsed something true that probably scared her.  Our bodies aren't 'mine'.  Because the part of us that makes things me and mine, that is ego.  It's the tendency to grasp and hold onto ideas about the self.  To build a self.  To create something solid.  Because death is coming.  So we grasp at life.  Especially things like 'my body' and 'my mind'.  Both of which are changing and impermanent.

No solid place to build me or mine.  Can be terrifying.  With intention and practice, or good friends and support, it can be freeing.


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