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Too wet? Not wet enough? PF TEK
    #28500458 - 10/11/23 05:53 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

While the random uncle Ben grow attempts it’s thing I got my vermiculite and SAB in the mail so I decided to do a BRF grow until I can get some agar and a pressure cooker. (I did try to steam sterilization of yellow popping corn for fun as well) but plan to do grains the correct way eventually. My question is though, do these look to wet or not wet enough? I’m probably going to spawn them to bulk if they make it all the way.


PS: I know I should’ve clean the sides of the jar. I’ll work on that.


Just gonna respond on here so I don’t have to do it one by one.

They were all inoculated in a SAB.
I think they’re wide mouth pint jars? I believe.
I also did wife mouth quart jars but only filled them up about a quarter of the way and plan to fruit those inside the jars themselves.
I don’t plan to get the pucks out in one piece.
It was closer to a 50/50 mix but a little less BRF.
The foil is covering up injection holes that have micropore tape over them. I just felt better with it.
I was under the impression that you don’t really “need” the dry Verm layer but I’ll do that next time.
As long as they don’t stall I don’t mind waiting a long time for them to colonize because I have time. That’s all I have really.



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Re: Too wet? Not wet enough? PF TEK [Re: AskingAlexis]
    #28501087 - 10/12/23 12:39 AM (3 months, 15 days ago)

What ratios?


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Re: Too wet? Not wet enough? PF TEK [Re: Screwup]
    #28501125 - 10/12/23 01:37 AM (3 months, 15 days ago)

Hi,
usually PF tek's ratio are 1 volume of BRF 2 volume of Vermiculite and 1 volume of water.


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Re: Too wet? Not wet enough? PF TEK [Re: Traveled]
    #28501200 - 10/12/23 06:08 AM (3 months, 15 days ago)

Looks about right to me, slightly on the wet side. Hard to tell from pictures though.

How big exactly are those jars? Mycelium will have a hard time colonizing PF jars more than 300ml at a time.


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Re: Too wet? Not wet enough? PF TEK [Re: MrJong] * 1
    #28501202 - 10/12/23 06:12 AM (3 months, 15 days ago)

bigger question is how do you plan to get the pucks out of those jars since the neck is smaller than the jar?


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Re: Too wet? Not wet enough? PF TEK [Re: RockinRobot]
    #28501204 - 10/12/23 06:16 AM (3 months, 15 days ago)

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bigger question is how do you plan to get the pucks out of those jars since the neck is smaller than the jar?




Not a big deal if he plans to spawn to bulk tbh (as he mentioned). If he wants to keep them as whole cakes yeah it's a problem. I'd be more concerned about the myc not finishing up the jar though because then you've got a problem that's much harder to fix potentially (Although he can just split them in half, take both sides out, shave off the uncolonized parts).


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Re: Too wet? Not wet enough? PF TEK [Re: MrJong]
    #28501247 - 10/12/23 07:02 AM (3 months, 14 days ago)

Just a few points of feedback.

1) Fill the BRF jars up almost to the top of the jar. I'll usually give the jar a little loving thump on the table a few times and give it a light tamp on the surface. You're not trying to pack it too tight, but yours look a little loose.  Leave about 1/2-3/4" from the top (this will help when knocking up your jars, and allow you to get the needle down into the cake).

2) The taller the jar, the longer it will take to colonize. And as mentioned, if you're trying to get the cake out of the jar in one piece, you'll want straight neck jars w/o the shoulder. Digging out BRF from jars can be kinda a bitch, but you'll get there.

3) Never been a fan of foil for lids. Shitty lids have been the downfall of countless projects. If that foil is there just to cover the injection holes on the lids, all good. A little micropore tape will also work, and is pretty handy to have a roll of. 

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Re: Too wet? Not wet enough? PF TEK [Re: Fungus Mountain] * 1
    #28501254 - 10/12/23 07:09 AM (3 months, 14 days ago)

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3) Never been a fan of foil for lids. Shitty lids have been the downfall of countless projects. :shrug:





That's a good point actually, now the problem IMO isn't really that much the foil in itself, it's more that he's probably cutting out gas exchange with the extra layer tightly wrapped on top. Basically unnecessary and potentially problematic (especially if those jars are deep).

I wouldn't say the lids themselves are the problem. For instance, you can use an unmodified lid and just ever so slightly unscrew it to give some GE, and be just fine given you don't move them around with the lid unscrewed, fuck with them and move them around all day long, etc.
Can't recommend it, but it's something that people do successfully.

As you've mentioned though if they are indeed covering up open holes, I'd just untighten the aluminum to let it breathe.


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Re: Too wet? Not wet enough? PF TEK [Re: MrJong]
    #28501265 - 10/12/23 07:29 AM (3 months, 14 days ago)

One other thing I forgot to point out is the lack of a dry layer of verm on the top.

As for foil cutting off the GE, nah.


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Re: Too wet? Not wet enough? PF TEK [Re: Fungus Mountain]
    #28501272 - 10/12/23 07:35 AM (3 months, 14 days ago)

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One other thing I forgot to point out is the lack of a dry layer of verm on the top.

As for foil cutting off the GE, nah.




Not to contradict you just for the sake of it, I just really like exact information. The verm layer depends on how you inoc it. If you use a SAB and shove some agar on top then you definitely don't want the dry verm on top for instance, it just turns out like a grain jar that you can't shake. If you use ghetto MSS inoc in open air and leave open holes on top then you most definitely want that layer, yeah.

As for GE the only thing I'm sure about from experience is that if you've got a deep ass PF tek jar it's going to stall hard eventually, and even harder if you have all the holes clogged up.

In either case it's hard to tell without more details from the OP and at that point we're just arguing about things without really knowing what's up with OP's stuff.


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Re: Too wet? Not wet enough? PF TEK [Re: MrJong]
    #28501282 - 10/12/23 07:44 AM (3 months, 14 days ago)

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Re: Too wet? Not wet enough? PF TEK [Re: Fungus Mountain]
    #28501288 - 10/12/23 07:48 AM (3 months, 14 days ago)

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:ohnowaitokay:




Rofl sorry I just have a hard time telling how my posts come out. Didn't mean to sound inquisitive in any way or however you may call it. Like I've said I've got a big problem with details in general so that might come out as overposting the living shit out of it or sounding like I'm going to war.

As for the GE I don't think it's that important if you're doing small jars but OP looks like he's got 3/4 of a quart or something going on in there which is a problem with PF tek

At this point I'd really like to know the exact process OP went through though so we can just settle on something


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Re: Too wet? Not wet enough? PF TEK [Re: MrJong]
    #28501828 - 10/12/23 03:22 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

I responded to the questions in the post itself. Those are wide mouth jars and my amounts were probably off a bit but ah, it’ll get better. They’re also not filled all the way to the top. I would be able to get them out whole if I wanted though since they are wide mouth.


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