|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery 119
#28501530 - 10/12/23 11:19 AM (7 months, 2 days ago) |
|
|
FOREWORD
I've been working on this write-up in my journal since January 5 2019 and I've decided that it is polished up enough to go public with it. It has been an endeavor of mine to somehow streamline the flow of information of my favorite website for new enthusiasts. Initially I started this as a way to introduce my in person friends to mushroom cultivation and my beloved extended community, but as it became more and more refined I realized its potential usefulness to the cultivation community in general.
Acknowledgements: First of all, I'd like to thank Ythan. The impact that this site has had on me and my well-being cannot be understated. Thank you for all that you do for us. I want to thank Bod.(Bodhisatta) Wherever you are now I hope that you are doing well. I consider Bod to be my first and most instrumental cultivation mentor. Though you were somewhat of a Vogon and perhaps uncomfortably complex as a person, you were a good teacher to me and I am grateful for the time you spent looking over my projects. However harsh your criticisms may have been, I want you to know that I acknowledge and appreciate all your brilliant efforts. I want to thank the cast of beloved trusted cultivators: Pasty, Stipe, Crack, Derray, Sir P, Baba Yaga, Comebackkid, Mycolorado, Fahtster, FrankHorrigan, Psilicon, Mudafuka (rip), Nichrome, Cocaine Buffet, LotKid, Saralove, Tormato, Hamloaf, Inocuole, A.K.A and many other Trusted Cultivators for all the help over the years. I hope that you all recognize the good you have done for this troubled little planet. I want to thank all the supporter members for helping make this my favorite website of all time. I want to thank all the other members and friends I have made along the way for all the help over the years. I dedicate this to Shrimps Milkboy and SmellyHobbit, three of the best humans I have ever encountered in my travels. You are my Ford, Arthur, and Marvin. -Beef (Zaphod)
Grab your towel.
_______________________________
THE HITCHHIKER'S GUIDE TO THE SHROOMERY (by BeefSupremeJr)

_______________________________
TABLE OF CONTENTS
PROLOGUE: The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Shroomery CHAPTER 1: Choosing Your Path CHAPTER 2: Knowing What You Are Getting Into CHAPTER 3: Our Convention CHAPTER 4: The Nitty Gritty
SPAWN BULK CHAPTER 5: Cloning and Genetics CHAPTER 6: The Rich Mans Guide to Cultivation CHAPTER 7: The Final Product ADDENDUM: More On The Shroomery
_______________________________
PROLOGUE: The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Shroomery
The Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomery is effectively an open letter to anyone who is trying to get into cultivating mushrooms and have somehow made your way to this website. The Shroomery is massive and old. New threads and information are added so rapidly that you will likely never in your lifetime be able to process all of it. There is so much information out there on the internet and here at the shroomery that without a frame of reference, cultivating mushrooms can seem daunting. So to you, new cultivator, I write this letter.
To whom it may concern, I take this craft very seriously as a hobby and my intention is to help people achieve a high level of success because I personally believe in these mushrooms as a powerful medicine that many people find tremendous relief with from anxiety, depression, chronic pain, addiction, and symptoms associated with PTSD. That said, I believe this is the premier site to get information for this craft and hone your skills despite the aforementioned complications that are inherent with this site.
The techniques (teks) I have amassed herein have been developed over decades of painstaking trial and error and scientific rigor. I have attempted to galvanize a guide of some of these techniques to give you an idea of what the standard convention of mushroom cultivation is at this time. I write this fully understanding that the convention may change, and so too will this guide. Consider this guide a living document. I vow to do my best to keep it up-to-date and modify it to the will of convention even if I am reluctant to change my own methods.
My intention with this write-up has always been the same, and two-pronged. Primarily, to help New members get up to speed with our conventional processes. Secondly, to help our veteran members address the multitude of questions we receive as efficiently as possible. It does get tiresome answering the same questions to ad nauseam, so I've done a lot of work to streamline the process.
Efficiency in helping the cultivation community is what I strive for. I hope that veteran members will find this useful to link new cultivators to, and maybe even paste this link into their signatures to help new cultivators get up to speed as quickly and efficiently as possible so that they may join the conversations of our community with a strong foundation of knowledge.
Back to Table of Contents ____________________________
CHAPTER 1: Choosing Your Path
Some bullet points before you dive in:
- First and foremost: Please do not inject spores into grain or substrate and especially instant rice. We here at The Shroomery do not endorse the Uncle Ben tek and will not offer a lot of support for it. Our goal here is to help people successfully cultivate mushrooms and we do grow weary of seeing the failures of this technique so you may find that many of our members will meet your concerns using this tek with adversity.
- -It is important to understand that spores inherently contain contamination. Mold spores and bacterial endospores are almost always present in spore prints and spore syringes so we always assume them to be contaminated.
- You can find our collective opinion on the Uncle Ben tek here
- -We also don't recommend 'all-in-one' grow bags or kits. These also tend to be problematic in and of themselves, particularly when inoculating them with a multispore syringe. (MSS)
- If this is your first time attempting cultivation, we recommend the PF Tek as it is fairly straightforward and fool-proof in terms of contamination resistance while not requiring a ton of equipment or a pressure cooker (PC). You won't get massive yields but if you can read and follow instructions, you'll produce something. This is one of the only good uses for a MSS.
- Don't reinvent the wheel. Experimenting might be tempting but if you use the search function you will likely find that almost every conceivable idea has been attempted and subsequently failed. If you want to experiment do so at your own peril or joy but please do not assume that you are going to discover a new ground-breaking way of doing things. We've seen multitudes of new growers trying to break the wheel of convention. Invariably they become discouraged, then defensive, then *poof* they're gone forever.

Back to Table of Contents ______________________
CHAPTER 2: Knowing What You Are Getting Into
So you want to go bigger? You should be prepared to read a bit and invest in some equipment. Namely, a pressure cooker (PC) which is used to sterilize substrates and grains. I highly recommend the "Presto 23 Qt" pressure cooker. Find the best deal and get one. The reason we like this model is that it is relatively inexpensive and has good capacity. It holds 10 quart jars.

If you need a little help running your first PC cycles, I'll refer you to my old cultivation mentor Bodhisatta's write-up on using your Presto PC.
You'll also need a 'Still Air Box' (SAB) to do sterile work. I suggest you look over our community's beautiful array of hand made still air boxes to familiarize yourself with this machine. Its A big plastic tote with two holes cut in it. Its design causes airborne particles and contaminants to fall harmlessly to the bottom of the box where they won't contaminate your work. All our sterile processes are done in the SAB.

A quick word about laminar flow hoods/ fan filter units. (FFU's) These are considered prized among the cultivation community and are a direct replacement for the SAB. They work by producing a laminar sterilized stream of air flow over your work area. Simply put, it blows all the contamination away. They're great but they are expensive and they are not necessary so I won't recommend you invest in such a unit right away unless you have a lot of extra money. Spend some time with this hobby and decide if you enjoy it enough to make such an investment. I have never used one in all my years of doing this. I do want one, but at this time neither have the extra funds nor space. A stainless table and an SAB has gotten me to near 100% success rate.

Various other inexpensive pieces of laboratory equipment will also be needed and will become obviously necessary as you begin to study the teks ahead.
My lab inventory invariably contains:
Nitrile or latex gloves Medical masks (covid masks) Inoculation loop Scalpel or Hobby knife (x-acto) Small butane torch (i use an induction coil instead) Roll of micropore tape Isopropyl Alcohol 70% and a spray bottle for it I have two scales. one ranges from .001g - 50g. The other from 1g - 1KG. 500 ml borosilicate media bottles A funnel
Other items may become necessary later as you begin to work and experiment with these techniques.
Back to Table of Contents _______________________
CHAPTER 3: Our Convention
Invariably, most of us in this community follow a similar convention. This can be broken down into three major phases: Agar. Grain. Coir.
1) Our journey begins by "streaking" spores onto sterile agar (petri dishes filled with a sterilized agar medium. we often refer to these as just "plates") From there we transfer samples of the initial "germination plate" (or just "germ plate") into series of of other plates until we have a clean culture.



2) "Inoculating" colonized agar into jars of sterilized grain to create "spawn". (Jars of grain colonized with mycelium) Most commonly, rye, oats, millet, wheat, or wild bird seed. (WBS) Check your local tractor supply or feed co-op to find the best option. The cheapest option and and easiest to source for you is the best option.
 3) "Spawning" (colonized grain jars) into coconut coir (in a plastic tub or tote. We refer to these as 'Monotubs' or simply 'monos' or 'tubs')

The project climaxes when the tub reaches full colonization an we are carefully monitoring "surface conditions" (tiny water droplets that naturally form on the surface of the mycelium (myc)) when the coconut coir substrate becomes fully colonized. We balance correct surface conditions with 'fresh air exchange' (FAE) to achieve 'pinning' (mycelium forming fruiting bodies aka mushrooms)



And there you have it. This is more or less the way most of us cultivate mushrooms here at The Shroomery. You'll find that more experienced members do deviate from convention with success, but we feel that it is important to master these fundamental phases beforehand.
Sometimes having bad habits from the early days of cultivation is worse than having no habits at all. All these steps are done in a '12 on 12 off' light schedule. There is no light blocking. There is no sealing a tub to cut off airflow at any point, ever. There is no distinguishable difference between growing and fruiting conditions. Its considered standard practice to allow fae from the moment we spawn the tub. We do not use lysol. If you're one of these members who is returning to the scene after a decade or more hiatus, I suggest reading the obsolete tek page to make sure you're not doing something that has been debunked.
Back to Table of Contents _______________________
CHAPTER 4: The Nitty Gritty
I've listed ahead, all my favorite teks I have gleaned from this site clicking around and reading over the years. (Since 2004) I put them in order so other beginners can use this as a growing plan or at least to help get an idea of what the standard convention is and what their path will be moving forward in this hobby. You don't have to use exactly the teks I use, but make sure you're choosing a reputable tek that makes sense to you and stick with it. Do not deviate from a tek. You can certainly learn to bend the rules but you must know the rules first.
Please note again that this site is a database of information, not a guide to growing mushrooms. Much of the information found here is considered to be obsolete and otherwise debunked and outdated. It is therefore important to look at the dates of any thread you are reading and verify that it is a conventional tek before trying it. Its also important to read the ongoing discussions of each tek to understand how other members and Trusted Cultivators have experienced it. This hobby evolves. Youtube videos or books are often full of obsolete or outright bad information and they are never updated. Reddit is also not recommended as a reliable source of information.
Again, here we have made a concerted effort to condense as much outdated or bad information into one thread as we can into one thread. If you have previously grown mushrooms in the past, you may want to make sure you're not holding onto some old bad habits that will cause issues down the road. Things have changed for the better, remarkably. Your propensity to accept change and adapt will have a massive impact on your success as a cultivator.
If any of the terms I use are unfamiliar to you, search for them individually. The search function can be the most powerful tool you have to find information so therefore, the most important tek I think I can provide to you is Bods Search Engine TEK. Again, our convention is invariably three major phases and we recommend you master each phase before moving on to the next: 1. Agar (colonizing media in petri dishes) 2. Spawn (colonizing grain jars) 3. Bulk (colonizing coconut coir in tubs)
If this sounds like too much for you I recommend going back to PF TEK.
Not deterred? Okay, lets get into it then. Don't Panic.
AGAR
Agar makes the entire process a lot more forgiving and fun. I use sterile Petri dishes. They can purchased many places but my favorite sources is here You can use other types of plates and teks to achieve the same result. Just make sure you follow a good tek.
Hereβs psilicons write up on agar. This should get you fully familiar with what agar is and how we use it. This is agar 101. Very basic and straightforward.
I pretty much still use BODS Agar Tek to prepare my plates. Its always worked well enough for me. I don't use a microwave anymore and for sure I inoculate my jars differently than this tek describes but this is how I learned to prepare and use agar to inoculate.
Everyone interested in Agar work should read this thread by Stro. Itβs fascinating and will give you a great idea of how we are using agar to develop clean cultures of mycelium to be used to colonize sterilized grain in jars.
Don't be afraid to post pictures of your culture in the Cultivation section here to ask for help to determine if your cultures are clean or not before moving on to the next section. We love looking at plates. Please feel free to upload your pictures on this site and please do not use an external image host to show us your work.
Quick little plug here: As the founder and leader of π
π΄ π° πΌ π² π» πΈ π½ πΆ π
π
π° πΏ I do recommend using clingwrap to wrap your plates as Bod originally taught me. Its far cheaper than any other option and works great. Only Vogons use parafilm and worse yet, electrical tape is only used by Reddit Mods. Grafting tape is an acceptable substitute (if you're lazy)
Back to Table of Contents
βββββββββββββββ
SPAWN
So now that you know how to make clean cultures on plates, you need to be able to make clean spawn jars. this will involve crafting a special lid that can "breathe" as the culture grows but will not allow contaminates in. Lots of ways to do this.
I like these lids the best. I use wheat. I bought a 50lb bag of it at a horse feed supply for 12$. Itβs very easy. Rinse it. Soak it. Simmer it, dry it, load it in jars, pressure cook it.
Heres my wheat prep tek. You can prep rye or oats the same way but not millet or wbs or popcorn. if you want to use those grains, seek a specific up-to-date tek.
Transferring colonized agar into sterilized grain jars (inoculation) is easy if you understand good sterile SAB technique. Bods Comprehensive Agar TEK --which does include inoculation-- is a good place to start. You'll find many alternative methods for doing this, but the principals are consistent among teks. Don't 'hover' your hands over open plates and jars and be smooth and deliberate. Don't bump the SAB and get the wedges of agar into your jars.
Clean spawn is easily the most critical component of the entire cultivation process. If you have read carefully up to this point, you should have a good understanding of the processes involved in creating clean spawn. Be sure to verify that your spawn is clean. This guide can help you determine on your own if the spawn you have is clean or contaminated, but feel free to show us your work.
Back to Table of Contents
βββββββββββββ
BULK
You should have clean spawn at this point and have verified via other members that your spawn is in fact clean. Again, upload your pics and don't be afraid to ask.
My favorite thing to do with it is mixing it into prepared coconut coir and putting this mixture into my favorite tub design, Pastywhyte's Ez Dialed Monotub.
Coconot Coir prep is a funny topic. Linking a tek is comical because by the time you've explained how simple it is, you've already told them how to do it. However, too wet or too dry, and you will invariably create problems.
My favorite and simplified tek for coir prep hands down is "The Pan Pacific Cocoir Blaster" by my beloved comrade SmellyHobbit.
This is a no-frills stripped down method of making the only mushroom substrate you should ever need (for cubensis) Learn what "field capacity" means and get a feel for it. We don't recommend any additives. Gypsum is obsolete. Vermiculite can be used to soak up extra water if you mess up and add too much water, but also isn't necessary. Smelly and myself and several of my inner circle use 'coco-bliss' brand coir but if you have a source of other brands, by all means. As with all things in cultivation, your mileage may vary using different brands, so keep that in mind. Find what works and write it down or commit it to memory.
My coir math works like this and I highly encourage you to use a similar method: Brick weight (in grams) x 4.44 = water (in ML)
So now that you have learned how to prepare a coconut coir substrate, you mix your clean spawn with it and put it all together into the tub of your choosing. Again, I cant recommend Pasty's EZ Dialed monotubs enough which is why I have now posted the link twice three times.
You might be wondering what the ideal spawn to coir ratio might be, and that's one of the more discussed topics on this forum. We typically measure these ratios in terms of quarts. One quart of spawn to one quart of coir would thereby be 1:1 and so on. Ratios like this might be tempting because the colonization time is faster, but I would advise a more patient approach and a Beefier Tub. Heres how I do it.
Once the coir substrate has been fully colonized by the grain spawn, it should develop tiny droplets of water. This is a critical climactic phase of this process and balancing these droplets with FAE is referred to as "surface conditions"
Here is the thread I always refer people to regarding surface conditions and pinning. One of the most important threads ever written. When you are at the fruiting phase, monitoring surface conditions is critical but if you follow instructions and use a good tub design, its becomes fairly automatic. This is one of the more intuitive phases of the entire process. You'll get a good feel for what good surface conditions are the more you practice. Although comebackkid's thread is old, we still consider these surface condition guidelines to be essential to getting a good pinset.
Assuming you grew yourself a "canopy" of mushrooms, (a tub so densely packed with mushrooms you can't see the substrate) You could skip ahead to 'The final Product' section of this guide to decide what you will do with them. But don't throw your substrate out in the garden just yet, it might flush again, or even multiple more times depending on how much available water is left. You'll notice the substrate has shrunken considerably and will feel lighter upon picking it up. Typically we try to re-hydrate the substrate as much as possible and then set it aside and patiently wait for another flush. I'll do this by wiping the substrate clean of 'aborts' then running water over the substrate surface under the sink. You'll notice it will float and really won't absorb much water. Sometimes I will use another tub to weigh down the substrate and let it soak for 15 or 20 minutes. I'll drain the water off and put the tub away and just wait for another flush. Usually in about 10-14 days the sub will fuzz back up and produce another flush. Typically you'll get less material overall, but the mushrooms themselves are often bigger the second and third flush. Its really contingent on how much available water and energy the substrate has after the first flush. There are some cultures that produce so heavily on the first flush that they leave nothing for future generations. This is one of the more intuitive aspects of this craft and you'll get a feel for it after your first handful of tubs.
Back to Table of Contents
ββββββββββββββββββ CHAPTER 5: Cloning and Genetics
I still use Franks Proper Cloning TEK. I try to clone the densest clusters with non-hollow stipes, but you can clone anything your heart desires. See something strange? Something interesting? Go ahead and try to clone it. It doesn't mean that you will be able to reproduce the trait immediately, but cloning will increase your chances of seeing that trait again.
"Stabilization" is the process of cloning then isolating and fruiting the cloned culture, then taking spore samples either by print or swab, then fruiting and cloning the desired trait again. This process is repeated ad nauseam until the phenotype is most always present even from spore. This is how new strains are developed. Its a tremendous amount of work but its always exciting to see new strains that our members develop.
 FP+ (PE x AA+ βFahtβs PEA+β)
Back to Table of Contents _________________
CHAPTER 6: The Rich Mans Guide to Cultivation
I debated adding this section because I feel like its cheating. I went through nearly two decades of pain and suffering to achieve the level of success I have now and I don't have a non-toxic way of saying this, but I want other people to suffer a little too. I know that's immature but its a labor of love and I do love the process and I want people to experience their first flush only after they have painstakingly gone through the entire process from streaking their own germ plate.
Nonetheless, it would be a betrayal of mine own code of ethics not to include this. It is my duty--as someone who has been helped along--to help the cultivation community to the best of my ability. I also realize that some people have more money than time. I have several friends--medical professionals--who use this method because with a 50 hour a week job and a family, they simply do not have time to do every process of cultivation on their own. Probably god hates them and I do too but they have clean spawn and boomers to show for it. I will also say that I don't think this route would be exorbitantly more expensive than buying an all-in-one kit or even Uncle Ben Tek, particularly when you factor in the failure rate of those methods.
That said you can phone it in and just buy literally everything you need and have a successful grow and still follow our standard convention. We might boo you and throw tomatoes but alas, you will have what you seek despite the criticism. I won't give you exact sources. If you insist on being this lazy you'll need to do your own legwork and find sources. Be advised. This stuff isn't cheap.
1) It is now legal in (most) states to simply order liquid culture (LC) syringes. LC is living mycelium suspended in a liquid nutrient medium. Several of our trusted vendors and sponsors *hint* are carrying a decent inventory and we assume that it has been tested clean and is ready for work.
2) Several of our sponsors sell also, fully prepared grain jars. I've used them and I won't say they are as nice as my jars, but they are clean and they do work. Most of them come with 'self healing inoculation ports' (SHIPS) installed in the lid. Its a silicon gromet installed on the lids of the jars that allows you to inject LC (NOT MSS) through into the sterilized grain. As the name suggests, they "self heal" after you remove the needle.
3) All you would really need to do this is an SAB. Following standard sterile protocols, Simply inject the LC into the grain and shake it up. You actually don't even have to build your own SAB. In my opinion this is a cardinal sin and a debasement of my beloved community, but you can simply buy an SAB online and have it shipped to your doorstep.
4) So now that you've hacked and cheated your way into possessing clean spawn jars, you can skip all the way to the end of chapter 4 "BULK" and spawn it to a monotub of prepared coir. I shouldn't even tell you this, but yes, you can also just buy the substrate pre-made. Several of our sponsors do sell it. I do not recommend using substrates containing horse manure (hpoo) or guano or staw, or frankly anything but coir and vermiculite. Some will contain gypsum. Although we find gypsum to be useless, it won't hurt anything to use. Coir+vermiculite+gypsum=CVG. Its a standard substrate and will work just fine. Go ahead and order a bunch of it to your doorstep, and be cursed.
5) So now that you have angered the gods of The Shroomery and skipped all the way to the last step having barely lifted a finger, all you'll need to do is wait for full colonization and monitor your surface conditions, fruit, and harvest.
Go ahead and grab a mint julep and sit on the front porch you son of a bitch. Enjoy your mushrooms you didn't work for. Release the hounds on anyone that trespasses onto your land.
Back to Table of Contents
__________________________
CHAPTER 7: The Final Product
Assuming you've produced some mushrooms, You may be wondering what to do with them. How to dry them, preserve them, or prepare them for consumption. This isn't rocket science. We use conventional dehydrators to dry them to cracker dry status and we store them in ziplock or mylar bags with silica desiccant packets. You don't need a tek for this.
I run my dehydrator for 24 hours on the highest setting which I believe is 158F. Potency loss at the highest temperature is negligible so don't overthink it. Do not store them in the freezer or fridge. Never expose them to moisture or humidity. Because my intention is to offer fool-proof advice to new growers, I can't recommend drying mushrooms any other way than a dehydrator. A freeze dryer works and does an amazing job but you better be ready to shell out some money.
Storage is a a complex discussion because it is contingent on your climate with respect to average humidity levels. You will always have issues storing mushrooms in higher humidity climates even using desiccants or oxygen absorbers. Growers in dry climates enjoy the luxury of being able to store mushrooms for a long period of time. I've had capsules that were several years old that were still as potent as the day I pressed them. At this time, there is no official consensus from this community on how to store mushrooms for very long periods of times, (more than a few months) particularly in humid climates. Vacuum sealers, mylar bags and glass storage jars have all been shown to fail at some point in humid climates and your crispy potent fruit will become bendy and non-magical.
Therefor my official stance on long-term storage of mushrooms in non-arid climates is: Don't. Eat them.
My favorite thing to do with dry mushrooms is grinding them into powder and putting them into gelatin or agar capsules. Size #1 being my favorite for micro-dosing purposes. Here is my tek for getting this done relatively easily.

There are lots of ways to process and ingest mushrooms. You can eat raw but you'll need to be careful of dosing. As a rule, dry mushrooms weigh approximately 10x less than that of fresh mushrooms. If this is your first time dosing mushrooms I recommend starting very slow at or below 200mg of dry mushrooms. These are extremely powerful psychoactive compounds you're dealing with, and they will command your respect if you are careless.

For reference, 100-200mg is considered a threshold or micro-dose. I consider up to 500mg a medium dose and anything above this range and below 2 grams a considerable experience. Anything above this dose is considered a full-bore macro-dose and the impairment cannot be understated. I consider anything above 3 grams a heavy dose and anything above 5 grams is considered heroic for the experienced and foolish for the inexperienced. Above 7 grams I consider an extreme experience and potentially dangerous in terms of mental health without considerable experience with altered states of consciousness and or supervision. Ask SmellyHobbit for his experiences with this range and you may change your mind about it.
That said, theres no wrong way to eat mushrooms. Melt them into chocolate. Adding them into 'gummy' (gelatin) recipes is quite popular. My precious friend and comrade Milkboy has mastered the art of the Gummy. I remember a member recently made a lovely pasta sauce with them and enjoyed them well.
Dry or raw mushrooms have been known to cause indigestion or nausea for some people. If you have concerns about this or have experienced this (I have not) then you may want to try making mushroom tea. It has been said to be easier for those with a sensitive digestive system. Nothing worse than being sick during a trip.
However you decide to ingest them, be careful. This isn't a toy and failure to pay proper respect will get you hurt.
You've been warned.
Back to Table of Contents __________________________
ADDENDUM: More On The Shroomery
This thread is probably the best place to ask questions and get answers quickly by trusted members.
You'll notice some members have a "trusted cultivator" tag below their avatar. This means that they have demonstrated their competence over many years of practicing the craft. Most of them have at least tried almost every bit of technique under the sun and have contributed their own teks and insight to the community. Please respect their experience and do feel safe taking their advice.
Please understand that many of the members here work tirelessly for free to help new growers achieve a high degree of success because we believe in the medicine. We are insulted as often as thanked and over time have developed a collective snarky and somewhat prickly sense of humor about the adverse reactions we receive when trying to help those who ask. Please understand that deviation from our convention is nothing novel. Of course you're free to explore any alternative you want, but don't be surprised when someone tells you its been done and what the disastrous results were. We do grow tired of arguing about the same topics with inexperienced growers day in and day out. We don't do things the way we do because we are too stupid to have considered the alternatives, we do things this way because we did consider and try almost every conceivable alternative to arrive at these simple conventions. Noobs are often identifiable by their propensity to argue and resist convention. Experienced growers embrace convention and seldom argue.
That said, don't be afraid to ask questions. Don't be afraid to post pictures. Don't be afraid to make mistakes and admit to them. We all started somewhere. Here is the confessional thread and reading it should make you feel better about starting out. Not a member here hasn't done something foolhardy, but please. Don't be insulting. If you're feeling very confident in your "new" way of doing things, you're probably re-inventing the wheel and haven't been humbled by this hobby yet.
I remember a guy who was pulling duct tape off of a tub with a scalpel in his hand. The tape gave away suddenly and he stuck the scalpel right into his sternum and spent the day in the ER. Imagine explaining that to the doctor. It would be hard to fuck this up worse than that, so get in here and make some mistakes and have fun.
This craft is an exercise in patience and cleanliness. If you're impatient or hate wiping and cleaning things, this hobby might not be for you. Always get opinions before doing things you aren't sure of.
Theres more to the shroomery than just growing mushrooms. Don't be afraid to check out the pub. Have a strange conversation. Or do be afraid and cautious and check out the off topic discussion page but be advised, this isn't Facebook. The concept of community guidelines is very loose in the Pub and almost non-existent in off topic discussion. The moderators here will not coddle you. There is no Mark Zuckerberg here.
There are many other discussion forums here. Whatever you're into, there's probably some place to talk about it and if not, you can create your own thread. Take a look at the full catalog of discussion forums.
A word about ratings. You'll notice that above many member's avatar, there is two bars of mushrooms. A blue and Green bar. Five being good, and zero being bad. Very bad. Typically members are banned if their ratings are dismal. Blue mushrooms indicate a member's general rating. Being polite and helpful is a good way to get good ratings. Being rude and alienating is a great way to receive bad ratings. Do be polite. Do be humble. Do be courteous. Do give other members good ratings when they have been kind or helpful to you.

The green mushrooms indicate trade ratings. You may trade spore prints or swabs with any member and punctual quality trades receive a good rating. Bad trade ratings will likely deter other members from trading with you and could result in being banned.
When your account reaches 50 posts and 90 days old, you will be eligible to participate in the marketplace where you can ask other members to trade or be considered in the many giveaways that take place there. Just make good on your promises and give a good trade rating when someone has made good on theirs.
Heres some final links of my favorite threads as well as my personal image gallery of some of my past projects and other nonsense.
Cultivation Picture of the Day is great. Post anything cultivation related but try not to shit-post. Taxes (pictures) are paid upfront and the tax man cometh.
AGAR ENVY! All agar all the time. I love this place. Agar is life. Agar is all.
Tools of the Trade. I love this thread. I've learned so much just looking at the innovative technology people implement.
Last but not least, Cultivation General Discussion. One of the greatest instruments of wisdom in my ongoing endeavor to understand and be humbled by this craft
Back to Table of Contents _______________________
Good luck. Be humbled by the mycelium and never stop learning. Feel free to message me if anything is unclear to you and remember, Don't panic.
-Le Beef
Edited by BeefSupremeJr (05/07/24 11:16 AM)
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 19
#28501533 - 10/12/23 11:19 AM (7 months, 2 days ago) |
|
|
The Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomery: Part 2 (By BeefSupremeJr)

FOREWORD
To my beloved Shroomery. The Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomery was well received beyond my wildest expectations. I feel so honored and flattered to see it held so high on this forum to which I've dedicated so much of myself. What started as simple became complex. I feel that the guide has been as well, a microcosm for the expansion of my own ambitions with this craft and this community from what started as simple into something much more complex over the years. I'll be honest and tell you that I began my interest into psilocybin in general as a matter of recreation. I think I was essentially bored. I'd spent a large portion of my life in academic and capitalistic endeavor and I pined for excitement. My original intention was basic: Cultivate enough mushrooms for me and my friends to "get fucked up" on weekends. That was over a decade ago now. Since then so much has changed that its difficult to summarize, but its abundantly clear to me that mushrooms were instrumental in my development as a person in general. Simple became complex. My dearest friends here know the tremendous hardships and challenges that came thereafter, and I am proud to say that this medicine and this community played a crucial role in my ability to move past and integrate these obstacles and become something--someone--I am proud to be and love. At some point I became aware that my intentions with cultivation changed. What started as a relatively self-centered pursuit of recreation evolved into something much more profound and satisfying. The vain novelty of manufacturing my own playthings faded as I realized I had a genuine interest in the craft in general. The agenda of supplying me and my friends with illicit substance was supplanted with an ardent desire to learn and hone my craft, and to share the magic which had helped me so much. To help.
So I humble myself still to this thing that has shaped me into what I am, and to this community that got me acquainted with it. Much has changed since I wrote the first portion of the guide. I've been honored with the responsibility of being accepted as a 'Trusted Cultivator' and as such, I vow to serve the community for as long as it exists and commit myself to expanding my knowledge of this humbling craft. So here I go once again into the fray. To help ever and hurt never. To colonize the world whole to fruit for the betterment of all sentient beings. My friends old and new, I thank you for everything. Bless you all.
CHAPTER 1: In Defense of Mushroom Cultivation: Where God Went Wrong, Some More of God's Greatest Mistakes, and Who is this God Person Anyway?
Bear with me. I have a long-winded point to make that I think is valuable to anyone becoming fascinated with growing mushrooms. If you want to cut to the chase, I'm going to try to dispel the stigma that surrounds the topic of therapeutic usage of psilocybin. I've felt a spectrum of emotions pertaining to my practice ranging from embarrassment and shame to paranoia and defensiveness where it concerns curious or otherwise judgemental family members or peers. My intention here is to arm you with enough information that you may supplant these negative feelings surrounding your hobby as a mushroom cultivator with a sense of pride and dignity. We are helpers not hurters. My interest in history intersects my ambitions with psilocybin in a way that I think is relevant and profound. I've accepted more than my fair share of criticism and persecution for my beliefs and I can invariably attribute most of it to blatant ignorance.
Hallucinogenic mushrooms have been used in religious and spiritual practices for centuries, with their influence extending across various cultures and civilizations. The connection between hallucinogenic mushrooms and religions is multifaceted, encompassing historical, cultural, and spiritual dimensions. The use of hallucinogenic mushrooms in religious rituals dates back to ancient times. In Mesoamerican cultures, such as the Aztecs and the Mayans, the consumption of psilocybin-containing mushrooms was an integral part of religious ceremonies. These mushrooms were often associated with divinity and were believed to facilitate communication with the spirit world. Similarly, indigenous tribes in Central and South America, such as the Mazatec people of Mexico, incorporated psilocybin mushrooms into their religious practices as a means of connecting with the divine and gaining spiritual insights.

Archaeological findings suggest that mushrooms were utilized in religious and shamanic practices in the middle east. Ancient rock art depicts mushroom-like symbols, indicating their significance in ancient belief systems. Additionally, ancient texts and scriptures from civilizations in the Middle East often reference psychoactive substances, hinting at their presence in the cultural and spiritual landscape of the region including ancient Egypt.

Psilocybin has been shown to have profound effects on cognition and perception. Research has demonstrated that psilocybin can lead to altered states of consciousness, including mystical experiences characterized by a sense of unity, transcendence, and interconnectedness. These experiences may have influenced early human cognition and creativity, potentially contributing to the development of art, music, storytelling, and other forms of cultural expression. Studies have suggested that psilocybin therapy may be effective in treating conditions such as depression, anxiety, and PTSD. One of my favorite contemporary nutrition and self-help authors, Michael Pollan, has gone to tremendous effort to catalog and explore this research in his book "How to Change Your Mind" and I highly recommend this book. Considering my own personal successful experiences using psilocybin to treat my own myriad of mental health issues including PTSD, it doesn't seem like a much of a stretch to wonder if the potential for psilocybin to alleviate psychological suffering and promote mental well-being could have had significant implications for the development of human societies, fostering resilience and emotional health among early communities. What was once simple, became complex.
If you hadn't noticed yet, psilocybin has been classified as a Schedule I drug by the United States Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) and is considered illegal in many countries. The primary reasons for its illegality stem from concerns about its potential for abuse, lack of accepted medical use, and limited knowledge about its long-term effects. In other words ignorance. In my experience--which is vast--its not a drug that is easily abused. It commands respect and I've discussed the risks in my previous Hitchhiker's guide about the risks associated with the failure to pay the correct level of respect. I've found that many people are understandably apprehensive due largely to its legal status punctuated with a bit of old nixon/reagan war-on-drugs era brainwashing and ignorance.
The bottom line here is that this isn't a malicious drug causing harm. I'ts been a helping hand for tens of thousands of years and you should feel a sense of pride about what you are doing. Feel proud to learn about the medicine and all the good that it can do. Feel proud to learn and refine the practice of cultivating mushrooms. Feel proud to be a part of the Shroomery and take pride in the friends that you make here. If you have a family member or peer, or a partner that is apprehensive, try to be understanding. It can seem scary for someone who is concerned for your well-being. Try to understand that their feelings are likely stemming from a place of ignorance, (be it willful or not). If you can, ask them to read the resources which are widely available from very authoritative sources:
John Hopkins University article on psilocybin treatment for major depression.
New York University article on the use of psilocybin to treat anxiety and depression in cancer patients.
New York Times article on psilocybin as addiction treatment.
So listen, theres a plethora of accredited information out there. You don't need to get into a fight at Thanksgiving dinner with your belligerent uncle about this. Just drop the links and move on. Buy him a copy of Pollan's book. Be confident in what you're doing. Know that you are helping not hurting. Know that humans have been doing this for tens of thousands of years. Know that you are doing something important. What we are doing isn't childish or silly or even recreational. What we are involved in here is absolutely essential, so be proud. Your uncle can go fuck himself. Fuck everything. Our entire civilization is complicit in a collective fever dream that only makes sense if you're unconscious, and its logically and environmentally unsustainable. Anxiety, depression, and trauma are a homogenized byproduct of dysphoria, manufactured wholesale by the collective human nightmare. We literally rinse food off our plates with heated drinking water and destroy it with a "garbage disposal" while other people die of starvation, and your uncle thinks you're crazy because you use psilocybin? Liberate yourself from judgement. Eat mushrooms and go to Thanksgiving dinner and be present for the people that you love. Laugh in your uncles face but secretly have compassion for him, for he will never enjoy in his lifetime the joy that you know every time you summit the mountain of human emotion, and descend again. Buy some Shroomery sweatpants and a coffee mug and proudly strut about your domicile. Likely you have to participate in the nightmare of human agricultural revolution against the planet, but you don't have to believe in it.
All that being said, Psilocybin ins't for everyone. Experts in the field of psychiatry and psychopharmacology have expressed differing viewpoints regarding the potential link between psilocybin use and schizophrenia. Some experts caution that individuals with a family history of psychotic disorders or those predisposed to mental health conditions should approach psychedelics with caution due to their potential to trigger latent psychiatric issues. In my own personal experience, I've seen it. I had one friend who after some cavalier use of psilocybin, began speaking frantically in public about "dragons in the bushes" and other concerning subject matter. He later threw himself in front of a bus in Austin. He thankfully survived but has been diagnosed and treated for schizophrenia. Another talented friend of mine growing up was using various psychs and similarly started talking about how the government was pirating his ideas though implanted microchips in his eyes and teeth. He later attempted to cut himself a vagina using a box-knife--seriously injuring himself-- claiming that he was supposed to give birth to some kind of demon that would bring about an age of world peace. He was later incarcerated for drug posession and was also diagnosed as schizophrenic. Romanticizing psychedelics is dangerous and reckless. Never pressure someone who isn't sure they want to try it. You should ask your friends if there is a history of schizophrenia in their family before offering them any substances. Yes, this medicine can really help for certain things, but it can also cause unspeakable damage.
CHAPTER 2: A Tek for thickening thine skin.
You will find that our members here--particularly in the cultivation forums-- do not tend to varnish their opinions. Let me be honest with you friends, as an emissary of the Shroomery, I've found myself annoyed, insulted, or perturbed on numerous occasions. Some people just have a propensity to get under your skin. It really is okay. We have all been blessed with a spectrum of emotions to help us maneuver through any situation and its okay to feel negative emotions sometimes. It happens. Its always been peculiar to me that here at The Shroomery, of all places, egos of magnificent proportion clash in a spectacular fashion on a regular basis. Here. A website designated to a mushroom that dissolves the ego, we regularly witness shit-fits of epic scale and magnitude. I think to myself: Why do egos clash? Egos clash due to various psychological, social, and emotional factors. The clash of egos often arises from individualsβ need for validation, recognition, and power. When two or more individuals have strong egos, conflicts can emerge as they compete for dominance, control, or attention. Additionally, differences in perspectives, values, and beliefs can lead to clashes of egos as individuals seek to assert their own ideas and opinions.
Discussions about cultivation methods, psychedelic experiences, and the legality of mushrooms can lead to heated debates and disagreements. People may feel strongly about their own perspectives and become defensive when challenged by others. Individuals may feel personally attacked when their ideas are criticized or when they perceive a challenge to their expertise in mushroom cultivation or psychedelic experiences. This can lead to defensive behavior and conflict escalation. Conflicts can arise from a combination of differing opinions, miscommunication, ego-related issues, group dynamics, and external factors. The truth of the matter is that some people are just prickly. Some are just deliberately abrasive (Screwup, for example), and some just aren't going to agree with you. Thats just life. Everywhere I have ever traveled, there seems to be the same cross-section and similar ratios of people. If you venture to the Off Topic Discussion forum for example, be prepared to have your feathers ruffled.
So here are some things you can do if you find yourself at odds with a person who seems to rub you the wrong way or is challenging your perspective:
β
Ask yourself: Am I assuming malice in this person's tone when none was intended? Don't do that. If you seem to be having problems with a lot of people, the problem is probably with you. Examine that. Mitigate it. Is this person called Screwup? He's just like that. Don't take it personal. Hes really a great guy once you get to know him.
β
Grow the fuck up. Actually, while you're at it, you can examine yourself closely to find the source of why you're feeling insulted. Get rid of that thing, and the problem should clear up on its own. Having trouble finding the source of your bruised ego? You should do mushrooms about it. Yes, what we are doing here is important and nothing to be ashamed of, but you should keep in mind that its still federally illegal in the United States as well as most countries around the world. This isn't a hobby for people with easily bruised egos. I often smile remembering something one of our beloved Trusted Cultivators, Stipe-n Cap said in one of our more popular discussion threads:
"I hope all you thin skinned felons find the appropriate skin thickening tek well before the feds knock on your door."
β
Stop spreading bad information. Its annoying. We're in the habit here of disseminating reliable information and it seems like an almost-daily occurrence that someone wanders in here demanding audience for their sketchy cultivation techniques. Invariably, they take their position that what they are presenting is novel, and assume that we've never heard nor tried whatever cockamamie nonsense they happen to be touting. Please don't do this. We do grow weary of it and have collectively adopted a sort of prickly and snarky attitude towards those who do this. As I mentioned before, we are tired of hearing about the Uncle Ben "tek". So tired, in fact, that new threads about this dubious technique will be automatically locked and ban warnings will be issued by the forum moderators.
β
Shut the fuck up. (STFU) You can actually just not say anything at all. You can still be a member here and get information by using the search function or finding the appropriate thread. I don't recommend this, actually. We'd like to see you as an active member in our community.
β
Humble yourself. Growing mushrooms well isn't easy. Theres a ton of information you'll need to do it. Please realize that some of the members here have been doing this for decades. We've seen, tried, or heard of others trying just about every method you can possibly imagine. We adhere to convention (which I went over at length in the first Hitchhiker's guide) for a reason. If you're veering away from our convention, you should probably ask your why. If you insist on learning the hard way, do so at your own peril please.
β
Ban yourself. No really, sometimes its best to take a break. Ive done it several times. You can use our self-ban feature to bar yourself from The Shroomery for a specified amount of time.
β
Do nothing. Ignore them. Actually, you can literally ignore them by clicking this little icon at the bottom of whatever it was they said that is bothering you:
Easy peasy. Now you never have to hear another word from that person as long as you live.
Really, this is a great community. We've been accused of "gate-keeping", namely by the cultivation community members of Reddit. I find that peculiar, being that we work so hard--unpaid-- to spoon feed the information we have curated to anyone who seeks it. We have an open door policy, and we are open-handed with our help. I've made life-long friends here, and you can too. Sure, theres a couple members with prickly personalities, but I believe that if you adhere to the guidelines aforementioned, you'll find that they're secretly very nice helpful people. As a rule, you should always be prepared to accept criticism and that applies to your entire life, not just here at the Shroomery. If you think Stipe-n Cap's tone is painful to your ego, wait until you try a higher dose of psilocybin.
CHAPTER 3: Variety is the Spice of Life.
So you might have noticed by now that there are a lot different strains of Psilocybin Cubensis ("Cubes"). Here is a fairly comprehensive although incomplete list of Cubes. I will mention here that an important strain, ESS, is missing from this list. I only feel like I should mention it because it was developed by an old Trusted Cultivator, MudaFuka, who sadly passed away. So, why do we grow all these different cubes and continue to develop new strains all the time? You might be wondering as a first time grower which cubes you should attempt first. The way I see it, cubes can be organized into two major categories: Classic cubes and Penis Envy (PE) strains. Classic cubes tend to be easier to cultivate due largely to their propensity to pin easily under normal conditions. PE strains and especially albino PE (APE) strains tend to be much more potent but often slower and more difficult to pin. For this reason alone, I recommend going with a classic Cube for you first attempt. Golden Teacher, Amazonian, Cambodian, Huautla, Mazatapec, etc.
But, are all cubes the same in terms of the psychedelic experience, and only different in terms of growth habit and appearance? You might here some members say "A cube is a cube". In other words, the active chemical structure is identical across all strains, but only different in terms of concentration. As someone who has been consistently using and micro-dosing mushrooms for over a decade, I wholehearted disagree. Its difficult to detect any difference from strain to strain on a short term basis, but over long periods of consistent use, the difference is night and day. I wrote a fairly comprehensive comment in another thread about it, and rather than paraphrasing, I've copied the comment here for posterity.
In my experience over the last 12 years or so as a consistent micro-doser, all cubes are not created equal and semps and tamps are on a completely different tier. Sure, trying a handful of a specific strain one weekend and then a handful of another the next weekend might not seem noticeable, or if there is a difference, easily chalked up to set and setting or your specific headspace that particular weekend, but try microdosing a certain strain for 90 days and then switching to a different strain of similar potency. Theres major differences and its not something that can be assessed as a snap judgement. Chemistry just isn't that simple. Even at the pharmaceutical level, consistency is an issue.
Psilocybin is a prodrug, meaning it is inactive until it is metabolized in the body. Once ingested, it is quickly converted into psilocin through dephosphorylation by enzymes. Psilocin then acts on serotonin receptors in the brain, but theres variability across species, particularly distant species in terms of geographic relativity. While the chemical structure of psilocybin itself is consistent, there is variability in the concentrations of psilocybin and other compounds within different species of psilocybin mushrooms. In addition to psilocybin and psilocin, psilocybin mushrooms contain a range of other chemicals in different quantities. These include baeocystin and norbaeocystin, which are structurally related to psilocybin and considered psychoactive. Different strains also contain different levels of various alkaloids, such as norbaeocystin and aeruginascin, which--albeit exist in much smaller quantities-- may still have some effect on the experience as well.
Its not only my anecdotal experience that all shrooms are not even close to being the same, its measurable in terms of chemistry and a near-impossibility that any two strains are chemically alike. As a personal curiosity of mine, Id like to see studies of these other tyrptamines in isolation. I have a hunch one of those chems is the mind-fuck chem that seems to be in high concentration in B+ strain. I and (many others) often describe certain strains as being "mellow" or others being "cruel" and it really isn't just potency. Certain strains seems to cause more anxiety than others. I've described some cubes as having a "skinny" experience. In otherwords, lacking in terms of visuals, or that certain magic. I find Semperviva to have a very "full" experience, seemingly devoid of the anxiety that seems replete with other mushrooms despite being a great deal more potent than even the cruelest APES.
That being said, don't be daunted by the options. The classics are classics for a reason. Its hard to go wrong with a gold old fashioned Golden Teacher or any of the other classics. I still grow Huautla although I've messed with its genetics so much its hardly recognizable as its original strain anymore. Most of my friends actually prefer the experience of it over the other various APES and PE strains I grow. More is not necessarily better. Semperviva and PE strains might be tempting to grow when you first get into this hobby, but they can be frustratingly difficult to get a good crop out of. Semperviva takes a comically long time to produce a crop. So thats my opinion. Theres nary a bad cube out there. Go with a classic at first. If you want to do a PE or ape, thats fine too, but have a backup plan and brace yourself for "blobs" rather than the beautiful dongs that are often pictured.
--------------------
CHAPTER 4: Frequently Asked Questions and Other Things We Think You Should Know.
I thought I'd wrap this up (for now) by throwing in a few choice tidbits of information, tackling a few FAQ's and then leave the guide open ended and subject to public suggestion. My intention has always been to help streamline the information flow so I am totally open to suggestion here. Even after the publish of the first episode of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery, I still see the same questions popping up time and time again.
β
Is it time for me to initiate Fruiting conditions? This has got to be the most frequently asked question here at The Shroomery. So lets try to put this to rest once and for all. *ahem* THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GROWING AND FRUITING CONDITIONS. We don't EVER choke our substrates from air. This is very old and outdated information. Not only does it inhibit the growth rate of mycelium, but it increases C02 levels which promotes bacterial growth. Its a bad idea. We introduce FAE at the very start of spawning. This is why I keep promoting Pasty's Ez Dial Monotubs. End of story.
β
When do I harvest my mushrooms? I see this question a lot. There are approximately two different answers in my opinion: For classic cubes, (anything but Penis envy and other related strains) we are watching the veil for breakage. The moment it breaks or is about to break is the perfect time to harvest. The veil is that little paper-thin bit of tissue between the edge of the cap and the stem. To be clear, its totally okay to harvest before the veil breakage, or after. Yes, its okay if you got to it late and the spores dropped all over your tub. Yes, the mushrooms are still safe to eat. Mostly we do this because the mushrooms are at a maximum size and they get ugly when there or black spores all over everything. For Penis Envy and other related strains, we are checking density. When the mushroom has reached its peak size, it will begin to deflate and become "marshmallow soft" This is when we harvest. You'll get a feel for harvest timing the more you do it. I still fuck up and harvest late all the time because I'm busy. I don't really mind because I tend to grind my mushrooms up and put them into capsules anyway.

β
Why am I getting blobs? Penis Envy tends to "blob". Rather than growing nice little dongs like the pictures showed when you purchased your culture, you're getting ugly little warts that will grow into big ugly toads. This is part of the nature of Penis Envy varieties and we all struggle with blobs from time to time. Yes, you can still eat them. If they are very thick, (like any very thick mushroom) you should slice them up before you dry them. Yes, they're still every bit as potent as the dongs. Typically, you'll get a wave of blobs on your first flush and then subsequent flushes will produce some dongs. Its always tempting for noobs to want to grow penis envy as their first attempt, and I personally don't think this is a great idea for this reason. I recommend using Stipe-n Cap's "pseudo-casing" technique to help mitigate this issue. I also use this technique for nearly every variety I grow and you'll see that it is included in my "Beefy Tub" tek previous discussed in the HHG pt. 1.
β
The 50 cent upgrade for your Presto Pressure Cooker If you've ran a few PC cycles, by now you're realizing that it makes a lot of noise. Its annoying. Most of us have opted to upgrade our PC's by taping a couple quarters to the pressure regulating weight. This serves a couple purposes. First of all, it makes it a lot quieter. If you have neighbors, you might not want them hearing the pressure cooker. Secondly, it will allow you to obtain the same 15psi pressure setting using a lower heat setting on your stove. This will also mean that you will use less water for your cycles. Its a win/win. We do recommend it, but please, monitor your pressure carefully throughout the cycle. We never recommend leaving a pressure cooker unattended.

So long, and thanks for all the fish.
CHAPTER 5: Misting, Fanning, "Fruiting Conditions" and other bullshit circulating on Reddit
β
How often you should mist
As often as needed, and ideally, none at all. Misting should be done to subsidize surface moisture droplets when youve got too much fae--period.
β
When to start "fruiting Conditions" I realize I already said this, but this is still being circulated on reddit so I'm saying it again: Always. Theres no distinguishment between "fruiting conditions" and growing conditions. your fae settings should remain consistent from the time you spawn until you harvest.
Ill reiterate: there is no such thing as fruiting conditions . Its an antiquated concept from the early days of the shroomery that needs to go to hell and die.
β
How much you should be "fanning" None. Not at all. fanning is blasphemy. Its a waste of time and can damage your substrate surface. Please don't, and if you're taking advice from someone whos telling you to fan your tubs, run.
β
Why coir does not need to be pasteurized or sterilized I made this very long-winded post in one of my own threads, but I felt that it deserved its own space. (and now I've added it to the HHG)
The age old question: "How come my coir doesnt need to be sterilized" and other associated paranoia, i.e. is it bad to open your tub to take pictures etc. So, lets decapitate these notions with a bedtime story:
Let me see if I can help put this to rest in my own words. Im an abstrationist. I understand the world in relatives and associations. Metaphors are how I make sense of the world so let me tell a story for you and for posterity:
Your success from the point of spawning a tub onward is 100% contingent on the health of your spawn. Lets think of coir as being a battlefield. Its not nutritious in and of itself, but the grain within (which is guarded by our allies) is.
sure there is definately other hostiles on the battlefield, but theyre not developed. Spores, even trichoderma spores, bacterial endospores, are present. Thats a fact of life. theyre on your skin presently too, but I can assure you, youre not about to be taken over by mold or yeast.
So heres our batflield. No matter how you prepped it, the hostiles are still just mere gametes. (reproductive cells). theyre not even babies yet, much less grown men who can pick up a weapon and fight. To complicate things for our enemies, wet coir contains no essential nutrition so the liklihood of developing into a soldier seems bleak.
Now here comes the allies. Two full jars or clean spawn is like air driopping in the entire 101st airborn division onto the battlefield. Theyre fully delveloped, they have rations, and they have guns, and there is literally millions if not tens and hundreds of millions of them. They've trained their whole life for this moment, and they were expecting an army or men with weapons. (As there surely would have been in the wild)
what they find is an almost empty battlefield. Maybe a few toddlers are trapsing around looking for their mommies. Maybe a few starving men wandered onto the field too. Maybe they fell right out of your nose. No matter theye marched right over the top of all the same. Left to starve. There will be nothing for anyone to eat but our allies, and their prescious grains.
The end.
Does that make more sense now? So like Goat said, it really doesnt matter how you prep. Hes a TC without the tag as far as Im concerned and his method is just as good as Derrayled's. (A tagged TC, who preps his coir with cold water) Both growers, I have admired, learned from, and looked up to for years. Whos way is better? Youd have to be a member of the 101st airborn to know that.
I personally use hot water because its a good feeling knowing we killed a few stragglers before we drop our army off. That, and I hear it makes a softer battlefield.
β
What is the answer to life, the universe, and everything
42
To the Ding-Dong telling people on reddit to read my guide yet skip the agar and inject spores into grain, youre an imbecile.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ContamFam/s/0TU7Zn8IPn
Edited by BeefSupremeJr (04/12/24 06:38 PM)
|
Janus62
Call me Hugh



Registered: 08/27/22
Posts: 410
Loc: Midlands UK
Last seen: 13 hours, 18 minutes
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 1
#28501535 - 10/12/23 11:22 AM (7 months, 2 days ago) |
|
|
Looks awesome Beef
-------------------- π
π΄ π° πΌ π² π» πΈ π½ πΆ π
π
π° πΏ
|
Bajazly
Stranger... Than You Think



Registered: 09/02/22
Posts: 829
Loc: BC, Mexico
Last seen: 10 days, 1 hour
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Janus62] 2
#28501549 - 10/12/23 11:41 AM (7 months, 2 days ago) |
|
|
Good job SeΓ±or Beef, simple and straight forward.
|
Shrimps
Traveler


Registered: 10/13/22
Posts: 2,501
Loc: Under the sea
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Bajazly] 3
#28501555 - 10/12/23 11:48 AM (7 months, 2 days ago) |
|
|
-------------------- I am not crazy, I prefer the term mentally hillarious. Agar - The way to go! Clean spawn checklist Proper Surface Moisture Recognizing and dealing with contamination π
π΄ π° πΌ π² π» πΈ π½ πΆ π
π
π° πΏ
|
Benson
The Kidd β


Registered: 09/29/20
Posts: 877
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Shrimps] 3
#28501563 - 10/12/23 11:57 AM (7 months, 2 days ago) |
|
|
Good overview, good links, good shit
-------------------- [||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||] [||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||] [||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||]
|
Kinoko314
Stranger Danger



Registered: 12/16/22
Posts: 1,521
Loc: Colorado
Last seen: 4 months, 19 hours
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Shrimps] 3
#28501567 - 10/12/23 12:02 PM (7 months, 2 days ago) |
|
|
Are you sure you want to invite people to message you? It might get ugly.
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Kinoko314]
#28501577 - 10/12/23 12:08 PM (7 months, 2 days ago) |
|
|
no I'm not. But we will see how it goes
|
Tiamo
Trust in LITFA




Registered: 04/07/16
Posts: 1,936
Loc: Amsterdam
Last seen: 1 month, 17 days
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 2
#28501598 - 10/12/23 12:40 PM (7 months, 2 days ago) |
|
|
Good shit, thanks for the write up.
--------------------
If you have used a Miraculix Psilocybin QTest, could you please share your results? Shipping free Ps. natalensis spore prints to any address in The Netherlands, just
Mush love
|
perro
Stranger

Registered: 10/07/23
Posts: 71
Last seen: 2 months, 16 days
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 2
#28501607 - 10/12/23 12:46 PM (7 months, 2 days ago) |
|
|
Great thread.
I first found the shroomery early 2000's and helped me a lot thru my first PF Tek cakes.
Now I'm back into the hobby, for the love of mushrooms in general and how fun is too grow then. I must confess my first grow after many years have been MS directly to grain, I know, and got enough mushrooms for my own consumption for a long time but now I want to get into agar to learn and enjoy the process more than for the final result that I would probably end giving away to friends or just storing to trade in a apocalypse scenario.
-------------------- Barking
|
DERRAYLD
Constructus


Registered: 05/13/02
Posts: 10,170
Loc: South Africa
Last seen: 3 hours, 25 minutes
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: perro] 2
#28501622 - 10/12/23 12:59 PM (7 months, 2 days ago) |
|
|
Great thread beef
|
Scemilope
Mycoheretic



Registered: 11/16/22
Posts: 698
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: DERRAYLD] 2
#28501677 - 10/12/23 01:58 PM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
|
|
Good stuff. Thanks Beef.
|
Baba Yaga
Psychedelic Minion

Registered: 09/13/20
Posts: 4,241
Loc: On Break Vacation
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Scemilope] 4
#28501730 - 10/12/23 02:33 PM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
|
|
Beef got your back

Well put together beef and thank you for being so passionate about cultivation, the medicine and human beings.
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Baba Yaga] 1
#28501733 - 10/12/23 02:35 PM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
|
|
Thank you baba, and thank you for all the yaga over the years.
|
Pnin
Riz Gukgak


Registered: 07/18/23
Posts: 486
Last seen: 1 day, 15 hours
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 2
#28501745 - 10/12/23 02:41 PM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
|
|
 Thanks for the write-up. I'll be returning to this.
-------------------- π
π΄ π° πΌ π² π» πΈ π½ πΆ π
π
π° πΏ >my end of 2023 grow journal<
Edited by Pnin (10/12/23 02:41 PM)
|
veggie

Registered: 07/25/04
Posts: 17,538
|
Re: The Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 2
#28501750 - 10/12/23 02:46 PM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
|
|
Very nice writeup.
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: perro] 2
#28501757 - 10/12/23 02:51 PM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
|
|
Quote:
perro said: Great thread.
I first found the shroomery early 2000's and helped me a lot thru my first PF Tek cakes.
Now I'm back into the hobby, for the love of mushrooms in general and how fun is too grow then. I must confess my first grow after many years have been MS directly to grain, I know, and got enough mushrooms for my own consumption for a long time but now I want to get into agar to learn and enjoy the process more than for the final result that I would probably end giving away to friends or just storing to trade in a apocalypse scenario.
just wanted to inform you that it is now legal to ship LC to most of the states in the US and several of our sponsors are now carrying a decent inventory. Its a helluva lot safer than using MSS and honestly, costs roughly the same.
Good luck thanks for reading.
|
Bluewidow
New Guy


Registered: 10/09/23
Posts: 53
Last seen: 1 month, 25 days
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 1
#28502079 - 10/12/23 05:58 PM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
|
|
Such great information. I wish i had saw this thread before ever getting started, I can not wait to get into Agar. will be reading this thread quite frequently in about 2 weeks when i get some money to throw into agar. for now this noob will hopefully see his first grow from the PF Tek method.
Thanks for writing all this up helps a ton!
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Bluewidow] 6
#28502090 - 10/12/23 06:06 PM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
|
|
Hey friendo, that means so much to me. You were the target audience all along. The shroomery is daunting and frankly a little disorganized. Not one member or staffer doesnt do drugs and its hard to sort out.
DONT PANIC!
thanks so much for this post. Good luck with your journey.
|
cozmyc
gentle modern ape


Registered: 06/20/21
Posts: 2,151
Last seen: 1 day, 19 hours
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 1
#28502139 - 10/12/23 06:42 PM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
|
|
Supreme job beef!
-------------------- You're conscious population 2 stardust ---------------------- Nothing matters so everything does
|
DrunkPunk
Not a drunk, not a punk.



Registered: 10/08/22
Posts: 59
Loc: Colorado
Last seen: 3 days, 6 hours
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: cozmyc] 1
#28502184 - 10/12/23 07:07 PM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
|
|
Clear. Concise. Well put together, and obviously well thought out. The nihilist in me says not to spoon feed `em so much, but the smarter half appreciates your devotion to getting good info out to the masses.
Much more than I've ever contributed here.
Well done.
What's up with P9 taking his video down? Best. Ending. Ever.
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: DrunkPunk]
#28502201 - 10/12/23 07:14 PM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
|
|
Nah, I'm interested in helping this community grow. We already get accused of gatekeeping. There is no gate to keep.
Im not sure what you're saying. what video.
edit ohhhh you mean his tub prep video. i dunno. maybe hes updating it.
Edited by BeefSupremeJr (10/12/23 07:16 PM)
|
CrayolaHalls



Registered: 03/23/10
Posts: 216
Loc: The Lot
|
|
Quote:
BeefSupremeJr said: ---Reserved---
Comments and suggests welcome. See a spelling or grammar mistake, please let me know.
FWIW and since you asked...
You used the word "breath" when I think you meant to type "breathe" in the section about spawn.
You might want to add the ending parenthesis to, "(tiny water droplets that naturally form on the surface of the mycelium (myc)".
I think the rules on this are more lax nowadays, so either of these would work:
(tiny water droplets that naturally form on the surface of the mycelium (myc))
or
(tiny water droplets that naturally form on the surface of the mycelium [myc])
It is customary to have an ending parenthesis for each starting one.
--------------------
 .
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: CrayolaHalls]
#28502327 - 10/12/23 08:03 PM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
|
|
Nice! thank you. Good eye. I went with the second option. Thanks.
Edited by BeefSupremeJr (10/12/23 08:07 PM)
|
Mad Dog
Stranger


Registered: 07/24/23
Posts: 18
Last seen: 1 month, 20 days
|
|
I just wanted to thank you for this write up. It makes me feel a little better to ask some questions in the future. If I would have done that on my first attempt I would probably be harvesting at least something instead of looking at a pile of trash. Aggravating to do the reading, investing in equipment, following the teks an still fail miserably.
Maybe I can get somebody to hold my hand next time.
|
perro
Stranger

Registered: 10/07/23
Posts: 71
Last seen: 2 months, 16 days
|
|
Quote:
BeefSupremeJr said:
Quote:
perro said: Great thread.
I first found the shroomery early 2000's and helped me a lot thru my first PF Tek cakes.
Now I'm back into the hobby, for the love of mushrooms in general and how fun is too grow then. I must confess my first grow after many years have been MS directly to grain, I know, and got enough mushrooms for my own consumption for a long time but now I want to get into agar to learn and enjoy the process more than for the final result that I would probably end giving away to friends or just storing to trade in a apocalypse scenario.
just wanted to inform you that it is now legal to ship LC to most of the states in the US and several of our sponsors are now carrying a decent inventory. Its a helluva lot safer than using MSS and honestly, costs roughly the same.
Good luck thanks for reading.
Thanks, I'm in Europe, I know some vendors sell LC syringes but as I have the tubs still running y will try to clone a fruit and as I bought way too many spore syringes I'll try also to grow an clean some mycelium from there. The good thing is that I'm not in a hurry at all. Maybe got lucky with the spores, the vendor is a long time Sponsor from Austria, but my jars were clean enough to give me a decent yield and still growing some fruits for the cloning project.
I have doubs about how many Petri dishes should I prepare, I'll probably try with a couple for tissue cloning and a couple for ms. But really don't know how many transfers will take from there.
I
-------------------- Barking
|
Buckaroo
BB

Registered: 08/07/19
Posts: 29
Loc: Unknown
Last seen: 14 hours, 11 minutes
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: perro]
#28502672 - 10/13/23 12:09 AM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
|
|
Nicely done thanks!
|
CapSlinger


Registered: 05/17/11
Posts: 1,103
Loc: Colorado rocky mountain high
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Buckaroo]
#28502779 - 10/13/23 04:40 AM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
|
|
|
RockinRobot
Stranger


Registered: 12/08/22
Posts: 1,235
Last seen: 3 hours, 9 minutes
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: CapSlinger]
#28503002 - 10/13/23 09:09 AM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
|
|
The answer is always 42 ....
|
Traveled
Wired



Registered: 08/23/23
Posts: 110
Loc: P2X-3YZ
Last seen: 1 day, 11 hours
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: RockinRobot]
#28503303 - 10/13/23 01:38 PM (7 months, 23 hours ago) |
|
|
Excellent work Mr. beef
This one of the best introduction to mush cult I ever stumbled upon.
Thank you very much for your contribution to this fabulous community.
Best, Travel'ed
-------------------- Let's all love Lain BeefSupremeJr Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomery π
π΄ π° πΌ π² π» πΈ π½ πΆ π
π
π° πΏ
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Traveled] 2
#28503318 - 10/13/23 02:03 PM (7 months, 22 hours ago) |
|
|
thank you. I consider this a living document so I will do my best to continually work on it and keep it fresh.
|
OldManRiver
Fisherman at large


Registered: 11/12/17
Posts: 489
Loc: Pacific NW USA
Last seen: 1 day, 16 hours
|
Re: The Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 1
#28503698 - 10/13/23 08:05 PM (7 months, 16 hours ago) |
|
|
A friend and I are discussing refining our techniques after a run of problems. My mission coming here tonight was to reset me thinking to current state of the art, and you so thoughtfully condensed all that to one place. Thinking grateful thoughts towards you as the PC chuckles away in the kitchen.
|
OldManRiver
Fisherman at large


Registered: 11/12/17
Posts: 489
Loc: Pacific NW USA
Last seen: 1 day, 16 hours
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28503701 - 10/13/23 08:06 PM (7 months, 16 hours ago) |
|
|
Quote:
BeefSupremeJr said: Nah, I'm interested in helping this community grow. We already get accused of gatekeeping. There is no gate to keep.
Im not sure what you're saying. what video.
edit ohhhh you mean his tub prep video. i dunno. maybe hes updating it.
yeah, the links are broken.
|
Nonagon
Bacon frying, sparrows chirping


Registered: 09/01/22
Posts: 1,077
Loc: Hyperspace
Last seen: 2 months, 19 days
|
Re: The Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomery [Re: OldManRiver] 1
#28503702 - 10/13/23 08:07 PM (7 months, 16 hours ago) |
|
|
Nice one Mr. Beef
--------------------
π
π΄ π° πΌ π² π
π
π½ π² π· π
π
π° πΏ
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: OldManRiver]
#28503722 - 10/13/23 08:18 PM (7 months, 16 hours ago) |
|
|
Quote:
OldManRiver said:
Quote:
BeefSupremeJr said: Nah, I'm interested in helping this community grow. We already get accused of gatekeeping. There is no gate to keep.
Im not sure what you're saying. what video.
edit ohhhh you mean his tub prep video. i dunno. maybe hes updating it.
yeah, the links are broken.
I believe he is mitigating the issue. i think the tek is still useful without the video.
thank you for the kind words i am really glad it helped you.
|
Texas Honey Badger
No fucks given



Registered: 07/12/18
Posts: 63,329
Loc: Spicemaster Texas
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 1
#28503728 - 10/13/23 08:22 PM (7 months, 16 hours ago) |
|
|
Is this where you hang out? Look what I found PF Classics
--------------------
Some call me Paw πΎ When I get pulled over they ask for my autograph βοΈ
Enlils bants hurt really really bad
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
|
Quote:
Texas Honey Badger said: Is this where you hang out? Look what I found PF Classics

yes sir. Hello paw. thank you for gracing my thread with your presence. which reminds me, ill head on down to your hood to enter the ban lottery since the weekends coming up.
those are nice lookin boomers paw
|
Texas Honey Badger
No fucks given



Registered: 07/12/18
Posts: 63,329
Loc: Spicemaster Texas
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28503743 - 10/13/23 08:28 PM (7 months, 16 hours ago) |
|
|
I should have picked them sooner
--------------------
Some call me Paw πΎ When I get pulled over they ask for my autograph βοΈ
Enlils bants hurt really really bad
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
|
they look aight to me. not real spore-y. i like open caps.
|
Texas Honey Badger
No fucks given



Registered: 07/12/18
Posts: 63,329
Loc: Spicemaster Texas
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28503751 - 10/13/23 08:35 PM (7 months, 16 hours ago) |
|
|
I like them when they start to tear the veil These started life as side pins
--------------------
Some call me Paw πΎ When I get pulled over they ask for my autograph βοΈ
Enlils bants hurt really really bad
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
|
damn those are dense. brain melters.
|
Texas Honey Badger
No fucks given



Registered: 07/12/18
Posts: 63,329
Loc: Spicemaster Texas
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 1
#28503792 - 10/13/23 09:02 PM (7 months, 15 hours ago) |
|
|
Quote:
BeefSupremeJr said: damn those are dense. brain melters.
I spawned them to a h poo mixed casing
--------------------
Some call me Paw πΎ When I get pulled over they ask for my autograph βοΈ
Enlils bants hurt really really bad
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
|
Be advised, I added "the rich mans guide to growing mushrooms" to the guide but not without plenty of snark and ruse. I have several friends--medical professionals mostly--who want to cultivate but don't have the time for everything so I got them going this way.
Probably god hates them and I do too but they have clean spawn and boomers.
|
ReverendMyc
succinct is not my forte

Registered: 03/29/19
Posts: 1,849
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 1
#28506756 - 10/16/23 11:19 AM (6 months, 29 days ago) |
|
|
 Great post, Beef. Added to sig.
-------------------- Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from sclerotia or mushrooms) *Not just for stones any more"Psychedelics are powerful substances. Nothing that powerful is completely safe... and nothing completely safe is that powerful!" - Abigail Calder at ALPS 2023 Don't Panic   
|
Tiamo
Trust in LITFA




Registered: 04/07/16
Posts: 1,936
Loc: Amsterdam
Last seen: 1 month, 17 days
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28506781 - 10/16/23 11:48 AM (6 months, 29 days ago) |
|
|
I guess God hates me, because I've taken some of those shortcuts.
--------------------
If you have used a Miraculix Psilocybin QTest, could you please share your results? Shipping free Ps. natalensis spore prints to any address in The Netherlands, just
Mush love
|
Mycolorado
Hobbyist


Registered: 07/23/16
Posts: 8,567
Loc: Interdimensional Bootcamp
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Tiamo] 2
#28506785 - 10/16/23 11:55 AM (6 months, 29 days ago) |
|
|
Prolly
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: ReverendMyc]
#28506806 - 10/16/23 12:13 PM (6 months, 29 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
ReverendMyc said:
 Great post, Beef. Added to sig.
thanks!
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Tiamo] 1
#28506811 - 10/16/23 12:18 PM (6 months, 29 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Tiamo said: I guess God hates me, because I've taken some of those shortcuts.
I don't blame anyone. for some of my friends its not a huge expense. I willj say though, they don't get the kind of canopies I do and they never fucking will!
I like to make a lot of fun of them any time they ask me question.
"Hey beef should i mist?"
"yeah man just put some of your perrier sparkling water in a your gold-plated spray bottle and have one of your servants give it a light mist"
|
Tiamo
Trust in LITFA




Registered: 04/07/16
Posts: 1,936
Loc: Amsterdam
Last seen: 1 month, 17 days
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28506816 - 10/16/23 12:20 PM (6 months, 29 days ago) |
|
|
Lmao. I make a good salary in tech but I am still a cheap ass that does not like to spend much more than necessary. I will say those LC that are sold are really good though.
--------------------
If you have used a Miraculix Psilocybin QTest, could you please share your results? Shipping free Ps. natalensis spore prints to any address in The Netherlands, just
Mush love
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Tiamo] 1
#28506826 - 10/16/23 12:31 PM (6 months, 29 days ago) |
|
|
good as in clean. not good as in genetics. they aint got SHIT on fahts.
|
MicroMycelium
Curious Optimizer


Registered: 06/06/23
Posts: 461
Loc: Probably at work
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 3
#28506847 - 10/16/23 12:46 PM (6 months, 29 days ago) |
|
|
Should be pinned for a simple starter thread.
This gif helped me a lot and might be a good add to the streak section you put
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: MicroMycelium] 1
#28506851 - 10/16/23 12:51 PM (6 months, 29 days ago) |
|
|
Thanks man. I think this is bods file. Hes not around to ask but maybe ill just use it now and ask forgiveness later. thanks!
|
Mycolorado
Hobbyist


Registered: 07/23/16
Posts: 8,567
Loc: Interdimensional Bootcamp
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28506859 - 10/16/23 01:00 PM (6 months, 29 days ago) |
|
|
C10 originally posted it if I recall.
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Mycolorado]
#28506867 - 10/16/23 01:09 PM (6 months, 28 days ago) |
|
|
oh well in that case.. *yoink*
|
Mycolorado
Hobbyist


Registered: 07/23/16
Posts: 8,567
Loc: Interdimensional Bootcamp
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28506983 - 10/16/23 02:38 PM (6 months, 28 days ago) |
|
|
Itβs in his agar guide (and sig)β¦Iβm sure heβd be happy for you to share the guide here. Not sure if itβs what youβre looking for on this thread but itβs extensiveβ¦ https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24330957/fpart/all/vc/1
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Mycolorado] 1
#28506988 - 10/16/23 02:43 PM (6 months, 28 days ago) |
|
|
i have read his tek and used most of it. thank you myco.
|
Zakkery



Registered: 10/15/18
Posts: 299
Loc: UK
Last seen: 12 days, 9 hours
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 1
#28508908 - 10/18/23 12:24 AM (6 months, 27 days ago) |
|
|
Nice write up. Always nice to have a quick start guide to direct new people too.
Comebackkids post on surface conditions would be a great addition to the spawning section. It helped me a lot that's for sure.
|
Fidelus
Psilocybe Erectus

Registered: 10/16/23
Posts: 69
Loc: Altoreal
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Zakkery]
#28509191 - 10/18/23 08:56 AM (6 months, 27 days ago) |
|
|
OK, Iβve read this piece and its interesting, however, you directed me here for data, proof, that certain growing temps and conditions are better than others. Specifically, that 70F is superior to 80F when propagating mycelium.
If I understand your advice above, you donβt cover your tubs? Open air? How do you control humidity, which all the advice Iβve found suggests that 90-95% is optimal, or even necessary?
Embracing technology is no sin bro. Temp/Humidity/CO2 sensors and related controllers just make it simpler for all of us who canβt set up shop next to our grows. It is a great set it and monitor from afar solution. Those devices maintain parameters tightly. That may be why all the large commercial mushroom growers use automated regulation of environmental parameters.
I purchased a laminar flow hood from MIdwest, and it worked great. Fruiting tub and associated also. Rather than bemoan the aids that can lead to early success you should embrace them if you truly live by your opening statement that you want to spread the availability of this βmedicineβ to all.
Can you in fact direct me to the research data that you used to conclude that Stametβs books are naught but paperweights? I am honestly trying to learn based on facts and data.
And thanks for taking the time to share what you knowβ¦.
-------------------- Why we growβ¦
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28509212 - 10/18/23 09:25 AM (6 months, 27 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Zakkery said: Nice write up. Always nice to have a quick start guide to direct new people too.
Comebackkids post on surface conditions would be a great addition to the spawning section. It helped me a lot that's for sure.
it is there at the end of the BULK section sir. The SPAWN section is about creating clean spawn.
Edited by BeefSupremeJr (10/18/23 11:39 AM)
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Fidelus] 6
#28509310 - 10/18/23 11:02 AM (6 months, 27 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Mainet2r12 said: OK, Iβve read this piece and its interesting, however, you directed me here for data, proof, that certain growing temps and conditions are better than others. Specifically, that 70F is superior to 80F when propagating mycelium.
Okay pardner, woah now. Im happy to answer your questions but I'm thinking you might be confused. I think it was stipe saying this. Higher temps are considered to be favorable growing conditions for bacteria. I don't think we can point you to one specific scientific article demonstrating this, its more the collective 20 year growing experience of this community. If there is bacteria present in your jar, higher growing temps will exacerbate the issue. We've seen it happen over not hundreds but thousands of jars in our experience. The collective consensus and experience of this community is that lower 70's is the ideal range. Again, its based on time and volume.
Quote:
If I understand your advice above, you donβt cover your tubs? Open air? How do you control humidity, which all the advice Iβve found suggests that 90-95% is optimal, or even necessary?
Im not sure again where you would have seen me say that I don't cover my tubs. In the Hitchhikers guide, I posted the link to pasty's easy dialed monotub three times. It has a lid. Im not sure what you're saying here. The tub design regulates its own humidity. I've never made an argument that high humidity isn't ideal.
Quote:
Embracing technology is no sin bro. Temp/Humidity/CO2 sensors and related controllers just make it simpler for all of us who canβt set up shop next to our grows. It is a great set it and monitor from afar solution. Those devices maintain parameters tightly. That may be why all the large commercial mushroom growers use automated regulation of environmental parameters.
For sure I know about environmental controls. I've worked in horticulture and propagation for most of my life. I've engineered environmental controls for commercial scale horticulture and absolutely, i dream of someday building an environmental controlled cube for mushrooms. Spray insulated conex container with high pressure fogging system on a humidistat. Temp is easy to control with a thermostat and a cheap electric heat source.
That said, we have collectively found and observed that over-complicating small growing environments often leads to disaster. I have done it. I had an incubator for my jars using two massive tubs and fish tank heater. One of my earlier attempts at bulk growing involved an ultrasonic humidifier on a humidistat as well as cpu fans for fae. Commercial grade heat mats on aquastatic controllers. I tried to apply my experience as a commercial horticulturalist to small scale mycology, and the results were disastrous for various reasons.
Im not discouraging anyone from having fun or trying things, im simply trying to encourage people to walk the path of least resistance based on mine and the collective experience of this community.
Quote:
I purchased a laminar flow hood from MIdwest, and it worked great. Fruiting tub and associated also. Rather than bemoan the aids that can lead to early success you should embrace them if you truly live by your opening statement that you want to spread the availability of this βmedicineβ to all.
Again, nobody is discouraging the use of a technology. Im simply trying to help new hobbyists achieve early success by using methods we have found through decades of collective experience.
Flowhoods are great! Im in the market for one myself. They just aren't neccesary at an early stage. They're expensive. I am sure your "fruiting tub" is also great. Im not familiar with it and never bemoaned either of these at any given point. I simply endorse the inexpensive and tried and true methods of this community. The SAB and ez dial mono, shoebox, unmodded mono are staples of successful growing. If you look in my gallery, you'll see that I have fruited in all sorts of things including fishbowls and commercial propagation trays.
Quote:
Can you in fact direct me to the research data that you used to conclude that Stametβs books are naught but paperweights? I am honestly trying to learn based on facts and data.
Okay, I do remember saying this part. I can tell you seem offended by the remark so I'll start by apologizing if I've offended you. I do have a degree of respect for Stamets knowledge as a mycologist, but I do not and will not consider him an authority on growing Cubensis mushrooms. He simply doesn't have the experience.
I can't point you to a scientific paper that illustrates my opinion per se. You got me there I guess. What I can say is that I've been around this place for 19 years and have witnessed trends come and go. I've seen and personally implemented Stamets and Roger rabbit's techniques put into action and I have personally experienced the results. For sure, these techniques will always "work".
It depends on what your idea of 'success' is. A lot of the more experienced growers here I guess became dissatisfied with the mediocre level of success and at some point, strived for bigger and better. We live for the canopy. We are dissatisfied with anything but a monotub with mushrooms packed in like sardines. You won't get that using dating techniques.
Quote:
And thanks for taking the time to share what you knowβ¦.
Hey I appreciate the feedback and I apologize if I said something that offended you. I hope you realize I really am trying to help people achieve a high level of success, including you.
Edited by BeefSupremeJr (10/18/23 11:04 AM)
|
MicroMycelium
Curious Optimizer


Registered: 06/06/23
Posts: 461
Loc: Probably at work
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Fidelus] 2
#28509315 - 10/18/23 11:03 AM (6 months, 27 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Mainet2r12 said:
Embracing technology is no sin bro. Temp/Humidity/CO2 sensors and related controllers just make it simpler for all of us who canβt set up shop next to our grows. It is a great set it and monitor from afar solution. Those devices maintain parameters tightly. That may be why all the large commercial mushroom growers use automated regulation of environmental parameters.
Can you in fact direct me to the research data that you used to conclude that Stametβs books are naught but paperweights? I am honestly trying to learn based on facts and data.
And thanks for taking the time to share what you knowβ¦.
No it sounds like you are exuding confirmation bias to justify alternative methods for cultivation.
This forum and the entirety of its posts is the most data-dense source of facts available for growing the illegal drug you are pursuing.
I do have temp/co2/humidity sensors and a grow tent myself, none of which I have needed to use and I still have somehow managed to cultivate, dry, and store pounds of dehydrated tissue over a few weeks in my free time with the help of this forum and the people on it.
Can you use technology to do those things? Yes? Is it necessary or perhaps even more beneficial for the average home grower? If it was do you think it would be met with resistance?
If you want to set up an entire enclosed fruiting chamber which has an auto regulated environment wired through sensors and hooked up to an IoT device like a Pi which transmits realtime data to you via WiFi-afar- you absolutely can. But itβs not needed, typical, or the normal method here or on the majority of places cultivation is discussed.
The barrier to entry setting and forgetting a shoebox under your bed is much more easier spread to all, comparative to expecting random people to understand the advanced intricacies of minute environmental regulation. Let alone the controlling of those intricacies through something as advanced as a self regulated technological system
Edited by MicroMycelium (10/18/23 11:44 AM)
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: MicroMycelium] 4
#28509370 - 10/18/23 11:44 AM (6 months, 27 days ago) |
|
|
Im personally someone that insists on learning everything the hard way. I've tried to reinvent the wheel and deviate from convention and eventually, found myself in the groove of consensus.
Mainet, if you think everyone here is stupid and we are just doing things the way we do because we haven't considered the alternative, i do implore you to strike out on your own and show us a better way. Show us your canopies and your work and for sure, we will be willing and interested to understand.
|
meta_mmxxii


Registered: 08/03/23
Posts: 766
Loc: PNW
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28509675 - 10/18/23 04:14 PM (6 months, 26 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
BeefSupremeJr said: Im personally someone that insists on learning everything the hard way. I've tried to reinvent the wheel and deviate from convention and eventually, found myself in the groove of consensus.
Mainet, if you think everyone here is stupid and we are just doing things the way we do because we haven't considered the alternative, i do implore you to strike out on your own and show us a better way. Show us your canopies and your work and for sure, we will be willing and interested to understand.
Well said Beef!
-------------------- Trusted Cultivators Teks Ultimate Tek Compendium The Hitchhikers Guide π
π΄ π° πΌ π² π» πΈ π½ πΆ π
π
π° πΏ FRENCHPRESS GANG
|
grammyce
Wanderer


Registered: 09/23/23
Posts: 14
Last seen: 6 months, 13 days
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: meta_mmxxii] 1
#28510025 - 10/18/23 10:08 PM (6 months, 26 days ago) |
|
|
I truly appreciate the time you took to assemble something that is a more modern guide and a "one stop shop" for those just starting out. I, like many on here before me, just lost an entire PF cake + coir monotub because of stealth jar contam. I'm really broken up about it and experiencing a sort of paralysis on what to do with the next set of jars that are fully colonized (and solid since it's been weeks) and starting to show signs of pinning. I am almost to afraid to do anything and this guide really put my mind at ease because quite frankly, I have no clue what went wrong the first time and how to prevent it again. I don't want to lose another grow.
I think you've given me a lot more confidence in the direction and asserted that what I've been doing is good, I just probably need to be more attentive to what's happening and just get my cleaning done right.
Appreciate you really laying it out and standing by the right collective guidance to help newbies like myself come along for the journey and really get easily acclimated to the environment. It can be incredibly intimidating and overwhelming and this helps a ton.
One thing I would ask is - what do I do if I let my jars colonize fully to the point where they're hard as a rock, yet easy to birth? I've read on here that I could shred it or simply break it into chunks (which I did on my first grow and subsequent failed attempt). I'm not sure what's best or what'll help grow some killer canopies. Appreciate the advice or guidance here.
Thanks again
Edited by grammyce (10/18/23 10:17 PM)
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: grammyce]
#28510045 - 10/18/23 10:46 PM (6 months, 26 days ago) |
|
|
hey thanks so much! dont get discouraged. we all started somewhere. when you get it youll get it.
well i would probably dig it out with a sanitized spoon and simply spawn to bulk. if it smells ok it will probably produce.
thanks again for reasding and the thoughtful response.
|
grammyce
Wanderer


Registered: 09/23/23
Posts: 14
Last seen: 6 months, 13 days
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28510058 - 10/18/23 11:02 PM (6 months, 26 days ago) |
|
|
They should be easy enough to get out of the jars as they've shrunk a bit. I'll try and break them up as best as I can. I just checked and I got a PE strain ready to pop, but there was a blueish tint around a pin (bruising?) inside the jar and some concerning green (potentially, it was hard to see clearly, let alone snap a pic). I keep my jars inside a container to try to keep humidity higher which could explain the droplets (maybe? Hoping it's not bacterial). Temps spiked this week a bit in the low 80s but normally kept them in the mid-70s.





Thoughts?
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: grammyce]
#28510068 - 10/18/23 11:22 PM (6 months, 26 days ago) |
|
|
these are brfs? id just birth them then if you can.
|
Traveled
Wired



Registered: 08/23/23
Posts: 110
Loc: P2X-3YZ
Last seen: 1 day, 11 hours
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: grammyce] 1
#28510070 - 10/18/23 11:28 PM (6 months, 26 days ago) |
|
|
Hi, Judging by the accumulated water on the glass, I'm tempted to call it bacterial. But nothing to bad because the mycelium have thrived. If I were you, I ll try to spawn to bulk one in a shoebox (if it fail you lose just one little tub) and I would top fruit a second one (just open it case the top with substrate and put a plastic bag or ziplock on top for keeping humidity and creating fresh air exchange)
-------------------- Let's all love Lain BeefSupremeJr Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomery π
π΄ π° πΌ π² π» πΈ π½ πΆ π
π
π° πΏ
|
Traveled
Wired



Registered: 08/23/23
Posts: 110
Loc: P2X-3YZ
Last seen: 1 day, 11 hours
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28510071 - 10/18/23 11:28 PM (6 months, 26 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
BeefSupremeJr said: these are brfs? id just birth them then if you can.
Also if it's BRF
-------------------- Let's all love Lain BeefSupremeJr Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomery π
π΄ π° πΌ π² π» πΈ π½ πΆ π
π
π° πΏ
|
grammyce
Wanderer


Registered: 09/23/23
Posts: 14
Last seen: 6 months, 13 days
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Traveled]
#28510075 - 10/18/23 11:37 PM (6 months, 26 days ago) |
|
|
Yes, sorry they're all BRF. Just starting so I figured I'd start simply with BRF.
I was thinking shoebox as well to see what would happen and not to contain the other jars that are looking fine. All jars have moisture inside. RH in my tub where I put the jars was at 90% (have a sensor in there as well) so I'm guessing that could also contribute. I will keep the lid open for the next few days and see if it dissipates.
Either way, I'll isolate then; birth, case, and wait.
Phew... hopefully I get something here!
|
Zakkery



Registered: 10/15/18
Posts: 299
Loc: UK
Last seen: 12 days, 9 hours
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28510114 - 10/19/23 12:33 AM (6 months, 26 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
BeefSupremeJr said:
Quote:
Zakkery said: Nice write up. Always nice to have a quick start guide to direct new people too.
Comebackkids post on surface conditions would be a great addition to the spawning section. It helped me a lot that's for sure.
it is there at the end of the BULK section sir. The SPAWN section is about creating clean spawn.
Ah fuck I missed that! Of course it's included, it's such a great write up.
Appreciate the efforts brother.
|
DERRAYLD
Constructus


Registered: 05/13/02
Posts: 10,170
Loc: South Africa
Last seen: 3 hours, 25 minutes
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Zakkery]
#28510116 - 10/19/23 12:40 AM (6 months, 26 days ago) |
|
|
Beef, consider linking sections with a hot linked index.
|
DharmaForKarma
Tub monkey

Registered: 04/24/20
Posts: 565
Last seen: 1 month, 29 days
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: DERRAYLD] 1
#28513258 - 10/21/23 04:31 PM (6 months, 23 days ago) |
|
|
Bump. This thread is now five pages back. Itβs far more important than that.
|
chikn fingaz


Registered: 02/24/23
Posts: 82
Last seen: 3 months, 6 days
|
|
Wow what a great guide thank you beef. Just finished reading it slowly and thoroughly!
|
curiouscubes
Cherry Glaze

Registered: 11/26/22
Posts: 54
Last seen: 6 months, 1 day
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: chikn fingaz]
#28515668 - 10/23/23 06:38 PM (6 months, 21 days ago) |
|
|
Great write up, much appreciated!
-------------------- What had caused this condition?
|
Pnin
Riz Gukgak


Registered: 07/18/23
Posts: 486
Last seen: 1 day, 15 hours
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: curiouscubes]
#28515907 - 10/23/23 08:45 PM (6 months, 21 days ago) |
|
|
Hey Beef I can't find it ATM but just wanted to say thanks for your capsule thread. Gave me a lead on a cap filler to buy and also taught me how to use it.
-------------------- π
π΄ π° πΌ π² π» πΈ π½ πΆ π
π
π° πΏ >my end of 2023 grow journal<
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Pnin]
#28515975 - 10/23/23 09:41 PM (6 months, 21 days ago) |
|
|
Oh thanks for that I still think capsules are the way to go so I'm stoked to hear that that write-up is still helping.
|
Blueberry Muffin
Stranger


Registered: 09/15/23
Posts: 604
Last seen: 22 hours, 28 minutes
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28516074 - 10/24/23 12:56 AM (6 months, 21 days ago) |
|
|
Thank you! Awesome up-to-date information that I wish I also had seen when I first started (recently). Would you consider adding a tek with poured agar to inoculate grain jars? I recently tried cutting up agar in a boro glass petri into tic tac toe and then scraping the pieces while holding the plate upside down above the jar. The next thing I tried is scraping the pieces into sterilized water and then pouring a bit into a grain jar. Remains to be seen if any of the two methods worked.
|
DERRAYLD
Constructus


Registered: 05/13/02
Posts: 10,170
Loc: South Africa
Last seen: 3 hours, 25 minutes
|
|
Best bet is to use your scalpel as a spoon to pick up the cut wedges.
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
|
Quote:
theodor said: Thank you! Awesome up-to-date information that I wish I also had seen when I first started (recently). Would you consider adding a tek with poured agar to inoculate grain jars? I recently tried cutting up agar in a boro glass petri into tic tac toe and then scraping the pieces while holding the plate upside down above the jar. The next thing I tried is scraping the pieces into sterilized water and then pouring a bit into a grain jar. Remains to be seen if any of the two methods worked.
Hi thank you, If you check the links in the SPAWN section you'll see pasty's tic-tac-toe tiger drop tek which is more or less how I do my jars. I guess im not sure what you're suggesting beyond this?
The first method you mentioned sounds approximately like what I do.
|
Blueberry Muffin
Stranger


Registered: 09/15/23
Posts: 604
Last seen: 22 hours, 28 minutes
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28516144 - 10/24/23 04:04 AM (6 months, 21 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
BeefSupremeJr said:
Quote:
theodor said: Thank you! Awesome up-to-date information that I wish I also had seen when I first started (recently). Would you consider adding a tek with poured agar to inoculate grain jars? I recently tried cutting up agar in a boro glass petri into tic tac toe and then scraping the pieces while holding the plate upside down above the jar. The next thing I tried is scraping the pieces into sterilized water and then pouring a bit into a grain jar. Remains to be seen if any of the two methods worked.
Hi thank you, If you check the links in the SPAWN section you'll see pasty's tic-tac-toe tiger drop tek which is more or less how I do my jars. I guess im not sure what you're suggesting beyond this?
The first method you mentioned sounds approximately like what I do.
It seems like the tek is meant to be used with no pour plastic containers, not poured glass petris, so I wasn't sure what I'm doing is allowed
|
DERRAYLD
Constructus


Registered: 05/13/02
Posts: 10,170
Loc: South Africa
Last seen: 3 hours, 25 minutes
|
|
Glass is not something I ever tiger drop with, personally I don't like to tiger drop either way.
Cut your agar into wedges and use the scalpel like a spoon as I mentioned. You can spike them and lift like a spoon.
|
Blueberry Muffin
Stranger


Registered: 09/15/23
Posts: 604
Last seen: 22 hours, 28 minutes
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: DERRAYLD]
#28516161 - 10/24/23 04:43 AM (6 months, 21 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
DERRAYLD said: Glass is not something I ever tiger drop with, personally I don't like to tiger drop either way.
Cut your agar into wedges and use the scalpel like a spoon as I mentioned. You can spike them and lift like a spoon.
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
|
oh yeah i see what youre saying. yeah theres a lot of ways to get it done but the principal concepts are consistent:
dont hover over open jars or open plates. get the agar in the jar.
bods agar tek also shows approximately what derray is talking about too. Its also approximately what i do. how you get the agar in the jar is less important that the sterile protocols that are consistent across each tek.
hope that makes sense.
|
xVadisx
MountainsDogsAndFungi



Registered: 09/03/21
Posts: 1,324
Loc: Secret World HQ
Last seen: 4 hours, 23 minutes
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28516346 - 10/24/23 09:13 AM (6 months, 21 days ago) |
|
|
Beefy Goodness Here -- staying tuned
-------------------- Thanks to everyone for sharing what they know . 165F for 24hrs. Better Holes Tek (Use a Step Drill Bit) Don't forget your towel: THE HITCHHIKER'S GUIDE TO THE SHROOMERY
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: xVadisx] 3
#28516586 - 10/24/23 01:23 PM (6 months, 20 days ago) |
|
|
Made some updates today.
- added a word about flowhoods/ffu. - edited the spawn section for simplicity - added chapter 7 'the final product' which includes info about drying, processing and ingesting mushrooms. - added a note about why most of us are dicks when noobs want to get defensive.
Edited by BeefSupremeJr (10/24/23 09:54 PM)
|
meta_mmxxii


Registered: 08/03/23
Posts: 766
Loc: PNW
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28516661 - 10/24/23 02:41 PM (6 months, 20 days ago) |
|
|
Just got done reading your addendums, thanks for adding this: "added a note about why most of are dicks when noobs want to get defensive." I hate reading the posts of people asking for help and then throwing a fit because it is not the answer they wanted. I appreciate ALL the help from this great community. This is a pet peeve of mine; I would receive this sort of thing when I was working. Me: the guy you pay to prevent and fix things " I am sorry that won't work" Them: "Can't you just use that part that doesn't even belong to this? I saw joe cheap guy player use it and said how great it was" And then spending the next hour explaining it, when if they did not want to cut corners, it would have been fixed by the time I am done explaining, and in the end, "just fix it like you were going to in the first place". If you know so much more than me, why did you call me. So thanks for that. Now I just hope they read that part of your guide.
-------------------- Trusted Cultivators Teks Ultimate Tek Compendium The Hitchhikers Guide π
π΄ π° πΌ π² π» πΈ π½ πΆ π
π
π° πΏ FRENCHPRESS GANG
Edited by meta_mmxxii (10/24/23 02:42 PM)
|
Kroxx
Alchemist Seeker of Truth


Registered: 10/07/23
Posts: 32
Last seen: 4 months, 24 days
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28516764 - 10/24/23 03:50 PM (6 months, 20 days ago) |
|
|
Firstly thank you so much for this, great write-up! Can we get sticked by chance? I read the up to date teks post first but I really think this post is much more updated from what I can see.
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Kroxx]
#28516968 - 10/24/23 06:11 PM (6 months, 20 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
meta_mmxxii said: Just got done reading your addendums, thanks for adding this: "added a note about why most of are dicks when noobs want to get defensive." I hate reading the posts of people asking for help and then throwing a fit because it is not the answer they wanted. I appreciate ALL the help from this great community. This is a pet peeve of mine; I would receive this sort of thing when I was working. Me: the guy you pay to prevent and fix things " I am sorry that won't work" Them: "Can't you just use that part that doesn't even belong to this? I saw joe cheap guy player use it and said how great it was" And then spending the next hour explaining it, when if they did not want to cut corners, it would have been fixed by the time I am done explaining, and in the end, "just fix it like you were going to in the first place". If you know so much more than me, why did you call me. So thanks for that. Now I just hope they read that part of your guide.
I appreciate it. Its a thankless labor of love sometimes but our focus is on the medicine.
Quote:
Kroxx said: Firstly thank you so much for this, great write-up! Can we get sticked by chance? I read the up to date teks post first but I really think this post is much more updated from what I can see.
I appreciate the support. Please understand that it isn't up to me. I'm not a TC or a mod. Merely a leal member.
|
Hysteria
Bum Looker


Registered: 02/19/23
Posts: 962
Loc: New England USA
Last seen: 2 hours, 3 minutes
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 1
#28517183 - 10/24/23 09:52 PM (6 months, 20 days ago) |
|
|
I also vote for this to be stickied, and second DERRAYLD's suggestion to hotlink your chapters index to the corresponding sections.
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Hysteria] 1
#28517188 - 10/24/23 09:55 PM (6 months, 20 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Hysteria said: I also vote for this to be stickied, and second DERRAYLD's suggestion to hotlink your chapters index to the corresponding sections.
i started making the index but i got a little overwhelmed learning how to make anchors
|
DERRAYLD
Constructus


Registered: 05/13/02
Posts: 10,170
Loc: South Africa
Last seen: 3 hours, 25 minutes
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28517285 - 10/25/23 12:47 AM (6 months, 20 days ago) |
|
|
I've been looking at it as well but not sure how to create the index on the forum. Maybe if someone is more clued up on html or bb coding they can assist.
|
Stroms


Registered: 04/30/23
Posts: 102
Last seen: 12 minutes, 8 seconds
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: DERRAYLD]
#28517387 - 10/25/23 05:48 AM (6 months, 20 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
DERRAYLD said: I've been looking at it as well but not sure how to create the index on the forum. Maybe if someone is more clued up on html or bb coding they can assist.
This should work: (didn't work)
[goto=here]Click here to go somewhere in post[/goto] . . . . . . . . . .
[anchor=here]This is the anchor text[/anchor]
No spaces in the "goto=" and "anchor=" values
Edited by Stroms (10/25/23 05:56 AM)
|
Hysteria
Bum Looker


Registered: 02/19/23
Posts: 962
Loc: New England USA
Last seen: 2 hours, 3 minutes
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Stroms]
#28517411 - 10/25/23 06:59 AM (6 months, 20 days ago) |
|
|
*Deleted*
Reason: wrong info
Edited by Hysteria (10/27/23 07:15 PM)
|
Hysteria
Bum Looker


Registered: 02/19/23
Posts: 962
Loc: New England USA
Last seen: 2 hours, 3 minutes
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 1
#28517413 - 10/25/23 07:07 AM (6 months, 20 days ago) |
|
|
Code:
[anchor name=toc][/anchor]TABLE OF CONTENTS
[url=#ch1]CHAPTER 1: Choosing Your Path[/url]
....(other stuff before your section)...
[anchor name=ch1][/anchor]CHAPTER 1: Choose Your Path
....(actual section blah)....
...end of section
[url=#toc]Return to Table of Contents[/url]
___________________________
Edited to show correct usage. For more info see the implementation.
Edited by Hysteria (10/27/23 07:37 PM)
|
TheStallionMang
Do U know who yur fuckin with?


Registered: 10/18/17
Posts: 4,825
Loc:
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Stroms] 1
#28517414 - 10/25/23 07:07 AM (6 months, 20 days ago) |
|
|
Excellent write-up Mr.LaBeef This will come in handy to many a users
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
|
Quote:
Hysteria said: Code:
TABLE OF CONTENTS
[goto=Choose]CHAPTER 1: Choosing Your Path[/goto]
....(other stuff before your section)...
CHAPTER 1: [anchor]Choose[/anchor] Your Path
....(actual section blah)....
Edited to show anchoring unique words. My original example anchored the word CHAPTER, which you obviously can't keep using for every section. So pick a unique word (intentionally misspell one if you have to).
I tried and fell flat on my face. Beef not gud at code.
Quote:
TheStallionMang said: Excellent write-up Mr.LaBeef This will come in handy to many a users
Hey thanks for visiting stal I haven't been down to the pub in a minute we always seem to miss each other by mere moments.
|
meta_mmxxii


Registered: 08/03/23
Posts: 766
Loc: PNW
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28517597 - 10/25/23 10:30 AM (6 months, 20 days ago) |
|
|
Don't give up Beef! You are providing a great service to the community. You'll get this shit.
-------------------- Trusted Cultivators Teks Ultimate Tek Compendium The Hitchhikers Guide π
π΄ π° πΌ π² π» πΈ π½ πΆ π
π
π° πΏ FRENCHPRESS GANG
|
cidero
Stranger
Registered: 10/15/22
Posts: 50
Last seen: 26 days, 23 hours
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: meta_mmxxii]
#28517812 - 10/25/23 02:29 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
|
|
Wow, such a good overview, thank you very much!
|
Hysteria
Bum Looker


Registered: 02/19/23
Posts: 962
Loc: New England USA
Last seen: 2 hours, 3 minutes
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 3
#28517926 - 10/25/23 04:18 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
BeefSupremeJr said:
Quote:
Hysteria said: Code:
TABLE OF CONTENTS
[goto=Choose]CHAPTER 1: Choosing Your Path[/goto]
....(other stuff before your section)...
CHAPTER 1: [anchor]Choose[/anchor] Your Path
....(actual section blah)....
Edited to show anchoring unique words. My original example anchored the word CHAPTER, which you obviously can't keep using for every section. So pick a unique word (intentionally misspell one if you have to).
I tried and fell flat on my face. Beef not gud at code.
Quote:
TheStallionMang said: Excellent write-up Mr.LaBeef This will come in handy to many a users
Hey thanks for visiting stal I haven't been down to the pub in a minute we always seem to miss each other by mere moments.
Sorry, looks like it is not supported.
So probably the only thing you could do is start over, make the beginning and table of contents stuff, then make your sections separately as replies, then turn your table of contents into url links to those replies (sections).
|
xVadisx
MountainsDogsAndFungi



Registered: 09/03/21
Posts: 1,324
Loc: Secret World HQ
Last seen: 4 hours, 23 minutes
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: cidero] 1
#28517927 - 10/25/23 04:20 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
|
|
I'm running off to work but when I get back -- Beef, if you can find one post where they have anchors I can just work backwards and figure it from there. (and I'll look myself when not running away from my keyboard and tubs in need of harvest...and I'll just run the dehydrator for 29 hours instead of 24 and not do it right now )
The rub is admins have to enable the BB tag. It's why some work and some don't.
Not supported = not turned on (source: comp sci degree I try not to use much)
-------------------- Thanks to everyone for sharing what they know . 165F for 24hrs. Better Holes Tek (Use a Step Drill Bit) Don't forget your towel: THE HITCHHIKER'S GUIDE TO THE SHROOMERY
|
Hysteria
Bum Looker


Registered: 02/19/23
Posts: 962
Loc: New England USA
Last seen: 2 hours, 3 minutes
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: xVadisx] 1
#28517938 - 10/25/23 04:30 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
|
|
Per the faq they those tags aren't supported. See my previous reply. I sent Ythan a message but I'm not holding my breath that he will see it.
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: xVadisx] 1
#28517939 - 10/25/23 04:30 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
|
|
aw well thanks for the help guys. its fine. I think people can still use it fine
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Hysteria]
#28517941 - 10/25/23 04:31 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Hysteria said: Per the faq they those tags aren't supported. See my previous reply. I sent Ythan a message but I'm not holding my breath that he will see it.
ythan is pretty good about responding to stuff actually.
|
Hysteria
Bum Looker


Registered: 02/19/23
Posts: 962
Loc: New England USA
Last seen: 2 hours, 3 minutes
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28517944 - 10/25/23 04:36 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
|
|
Cool well if he answers me I'll update you with his reply.
|
Hysteria
Bum Looker


Registered: 02/19/23
Posts: 962
Loc: New England USA
Last seen: 2 hours, 3 minutes
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Hysteria] 3
#28518086 - 10/25/23 06:39 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
|
|
|
HILLBILLY OUTLAW
Above And Beyond!



Registered: 04/21/22
Posts: 3,290
Loc: Luckenbach Texas
Last seen: 11 minutes, 28 seconds
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 2
#28518094 - 10/25/23 06:43 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
|
|
--------------------
 π
π΄ π° πΌ π² π» πΈ π½ πΆ π
π
π° πΏ TEAM SPREAD THE LOVE! Smellyhobbit said: Embarrassment and bashfulness are leeches on your ability to learn.
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Hysteria] 1
#28518105 - 10/25/23 06:48 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
|
|
Wow nice man! The king is good. Hey thank you for that! I wouldnt have even known how to ask. Such a luddite I am.
|
Hysteria
Bum Looker


Registered: 02/19/23
Posts: 962
Loc: New England USA
Last seen: 2 hours, 3 minutes
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28518115 - 10/25/23 06:51 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
|
|
Derrayld was smart enough to post on that board. He saw it much quicker than he will see my message. That's cool he's so responsive!
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Hysteria] 2
#28518125 - 10/25/23 06:55 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
|
|
Uncle D is a sharp one to be sure and Ythan treats us too good I swear.
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 4
#28518731 - 10/26/23 10:02 AM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
|
|
Updated:
Thanks to Hysteria and Derrayled, I now have a function table of contents as well as return links for each section.
Thank you Ythan for adding this functionality to the site.
You guys are too good to me. I am honored.
|
NotFromGeorgia
it's 'Mr. Stranger' to you



Registered: 07/18/23
Posts: 332
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28518747 - 10/26/23 10:20 AM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
|
|
wow that was quick and works really well  you honor us all dear mr. beef
-------------------- The most important step a man can take. It's not the first one, is it? It's the next one. Always the next step, Dalinar.
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
|
Quote:
NotFromGeorgia said: wow that was quick and works really well  you honor us all dear mr. beef
Well make no mistke, i did not do the work. Hysteria whipped it up for me.
|
DERRAYLD
Constructus


Registered: 05/13/02
Posts: 10,170
Loc: South Africa
Last seen: 3 hours, 25 minutes
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28518787 - 10/26/23 11:04 AM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
|
|
Excellent work here beef and thanks to hysteria.
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: DERRAYLD] 2
#28518796 - 10/26/23 11:18 AM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
|
|
Edited the foreward and acknowledgements. Mostly to tip my fedora a little deeper for bod and Ythan. Wherever you are bod i hope you are well.
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: DERRAYLD] 1
#28518801 - 10/26/23 11:19 AM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
DERRAYLD said: Excellent work here beef and thanks to hysteria.
You're too good to me. I shall never encounter another like you.
|
Bajazly
Stranger... Than You Think



Registered: 09/02/22
Posts: 829
Loc: BC, Mexico
Last seen: 10 days, 1 hour
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 2
#28519244 - 10/26/23 06:27 PM (6 months, 18 days ago) |
|
|
A thought for a little blurb in the conclusion section SeΓ±or Beef.
I read thru the Guide right after you put it up and not since yet so this may already be there but... One thing I notice is a huge percentage of all posts from noobs with like less than 10 posts is a statement to the tune of "I'm doing an experiment".
I'm all for fucking around with different shit but maybe if you had a section at the end on "as your first time doing this, you are WAY better off NOT experimenting for now". I mean I get it, I went thru the same shit but after a couple posts you guys set me straight on "do what is written down in front of you kid". After a bit over a year I'm mixing and matching different things but it's more about dialing process in now because I understand doing X, you can expect Y however without having a rudimentary grasp on cult, experimentation is like being blindfolded, spun around 3 times and trying to hit the board with the dart you are throwing.
Just a thought but maybe if some of the noobs hear it up front from a truly bad ass grower, and scary ass clown to boot, they might have a better time of things and all the heavy hitters here wouldn't have to type the same "this is what went wrong and why" responses we all see day in and day out.
|
DharmaForKarma
Tub monkey

Registered: 04/24/20
Posts: 565
Last seen: 1 month, 29 days
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Bajazly] 2
#28519303 - 10/26/23 07:24 PM (6 months, 18 days ago) |
|
|
Hey Beef. This post is a game changer. It really gives life to the Shroomery. Countless thousands will benefit from this work.
If you are taking suggestions please read on. If not, nevermind.
How about a section on storage. This old thread on O2 packets and desiccant packets came up
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19956215
It reminded me questions about storage come up all the time. To get all the way through drying only to let the crispies expire is very sad. Glass, mylar, vacuum, freezing, desicants, cover the basics for most people.
In Chapter 7, Breaking out the key parameters for drying will help. A significant number of new threads ask the same question, and the persistent myths on drying time and temperature just keep coming. Giant type, flashing, TOC listing, the works. βFood dehydrator, maximum temperature, 24 hours, potency unaffected by heat, moisture is the enemy, no questions at this time.β A word on how to dry without a dehydrator will be helpful too.
Tea. Specifically fresh tea. Iβd say this post by PrimalSoup is definitive. It also tells us how to dial in lemon tek. Itβs the citric acid, which varies in the fruit. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=1&Number=12494141&PHPSESSID=&fpart=1#12494141
|
meta_mmxxii


Registered: 08/03/23
Posts: 766
Loc: PNW
|
|
Both excellent suggestions, hope Beef adds this.
-------------------- Trusted Cultivators Teks Ultimate Tek Compendium The Hitchhikers Guide π
π΄ π° πΌ π² π» πΈ π½ πΆ π
π
π° πΏ FRENCHPRESS GANG
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
|
Quote:
Bajazly said: A thought for a little blurb in the conclusion section SeΓ±or Beef.
I read thru the Guide right after you put it up and not since yet so this may already be there but... One thing I notice is a huge percentage of all posts from noobs with like less than 10 posts is a statement to the tune of "I'm doing an experiment".
I'm all for fucking around with different shit but maybe if you had a section at the end on "as your first time doing this, you are WAY better off NOT experimenting for now". I mean I get it, I went thru the same shit but after a couple posts you guys set me straight on "do what is written down in front of you kid". After a bit over a year I'm mixing and matching different things but it's more about dialing process in now because I understand doing X, you can expect Y however without having a rudimentary grasp on cult, experimentation is like being blindfolded, spun around 3 times and trying to hit the board with the dart you are throwing.
Just a thought but maybe if some of the noobs hear it up front from a truly bad ass grower, and scary ass clown to boot, they might have a better time of things and all the heavy hitters here wouldn't have to type the same "this is what went wrong and why" responses we all see day in and day out.
Okay sure I think I can say something along those lines. I'm thinking this should be right at the beginning of chapter one perhaps right after the "don't inject spores into grain" paragraph. I'll see what I can do. Thank you.
Quote:
DharmaForKarma said: Hey Beef. This post is a game changer. It really gives life to the Shroomery. Countless thousands will benefit from this work.
If you are taking suggestions please read on. If not, nevermind.
Thanks. And yes, I am open to suggestions for sure. Thank you.
Quote:
How about a section on storage. This old thread on O2 packets and desiccant packets came up
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19956215
Okay storage is a tricky topic. Different climates necessitate different perimeters. In my dry climate, this is a non-issue. Desiccants work just fine and I've stored large quantities for up to 6 months. Storing mushrooms long term in humid climates is always going to be very challenging. Best thing to do is don't. Get rid of them!
Quote:
It reminded me questions about storage come up all the time. To get all the way through drying only to let the crispies expire is very sad. Glass, mylar, vacuum, freezing, desicants, cover the basics for most people.
To be clear, there is no consensus on the shroomery about how to store mushrooms for the long-haul. Like i said, Different climates necessitate different storage techniques. Freezing is considered a no-no and I've myself experienced complete potency loss due to freezing. I've recently also seen some members experience problems with vacuum sealing as well! The container isn't nearly as important as the environment in the container. I don't think a lot of noobs will be interested in buying nitrogen bottles to store their mushrooms for years.
Quote:
In Chapter 7, Breaking out the key parameters for drying will help. A significant number of new threads ask the same question, and the persistent myths on drying time and temperature just keep coming. Giant type, flashing, TOC listing, the works. βFood dehydrator, maximum temperature, 24 hours, potency unaffected by heat, moisture is the enemy, no questions at this time.β A word on how to dry without a dehydrator will be helpful too.
I believe i did say most of this but I can try to emphasize it if you think its not apparent enough. I cant exactly recommend anyone to dry their crop without a dehydrator particularly when I don't know what climate they are working in. I'm really trying to guide people into fool proof practices.
Therefor, the fool-proof practice for long-term storage is DONT'. The fool proof practice for drying is dehydrator. I'm afraid I can't compromise what I believe to be the general consensus among the more experienced growers.
Quote:
Tea. Specifically fresh tea. Iβd say this post by PrimalSoup is definitive. It also tells us how to dial in lemon tek. Itβs the citric acid, which varies in the fruit.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=1&Number=12494141&PHPSESSID=&fpart=1#12494141
Awesome. I was actually thinking about this. It definitely needs to be added. thank you.
|
DharmaForKarma
Tub monkey

Registered: 04/24/20
Posts: 565
Last seen: 1 month, 29 days
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28519503 - 10/26/23 09:33 PM (6 months, 18 days ago) |
|
|
Cool! Thanks man.
Thanks for putting the storage topic into perspective. I agree completely. Ideally they should be shared and experienced rather than stored indefinitely.
Fwiw that first thread I linked talked about the incompatibility of O2 absorbers and desiccants in the first post. Nicely detailed. Thatβs good info not often seen elsewhere. A reminder that oxidation has far less impact on potency than moisture, which is harmful even in the short term.
|
ReverendMyc
succinct is not my forte

Registered: 03/29/19
Posts: 1,849
|
|
Nice sticky, Mr Beef. Should we call you Sir Beef now?
Congrats on an excellent post and the well deserved recognition.
-------------------- Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from sclerotia or mushrooms) *Not just for stones any more"Psychedelics are powerful substances. Nothing that powerful is completely safe... and nothing completely safe is that powerful!" - Abigail Calder at ALPS 2023 Don't Panic   
Edited by ReverendMyc (10/26/23 10:24 PM)
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
|
Okay. So new updates today:
-Added the blurb about experimentation into chapter 1. -Added my stance about storage and dehydration. -Added Milkboy's Gummy TEK -Added that tea recipe that seems pretty legit.
Was there anything else? Be advised, Ythan stickied the thread. Thanks Ythan, and thanks to everyone whos helped and supported me.
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: ReverendMyc]
#28519525 - 10/26/23 09:59 PM (6 months, 18 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
ReverendMyc said: Nice sticky, Mr Beef. Should we call you Sir Beef now?
Congrats on an excellent post and the well deserved recognition.
Thank you. I do feel honored. For all this community has done for me, I owed it to give back.
Just Beef is fine sir. Thank you.
|
DERRAYLD
Constructus


Registered: 05/13/02
Posts: 10,170
Loc: South Africa
Last seen: 3 hours, 25 minutes
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 1
#28519537 - 10/26/23 10:12 PM (6 months, 18 days ago) |
|
|
|
fiddle_head
IΒ΄m not the dude, guy



Registered: 08/05/08
Posts: 2,446
Loc: luminiferous ether
Last seen: 1 minute, 42 seconds
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 1
#28519692 - 10/27/23 12:50 AM (6 months, 18 days ago) |
|
|
superb and comprehensive cataloging and concise explication of some very useful information, awesome writing too. You honor us all with your contribution Beefy!
-------------------- lagm 2024 || lagm 2023 || Performance - 2023 || Things That Are Good ============= If you want to use cups instead of petris, read this sauce I am currently out of the f2 ape-r clone (swab) due to multiple requests. Check the marketplace for more giveaways, coming soon.
The Koru π
π΄ π° πΌ π² π» πΈ π½ πΆ π
π
π° πΏ
|
Tiamo
Trust in LITFA




Registered: 04/07/16
Posts: 1,936
Loc: Amsterdam
Last seen: 1 month, 17 days
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: fiddle_head]
#28519738 - 10/27/23 02:34 AM (6 months, 18 days ago) |
|
|
This thread is right where it belongs. The first thing you see on Mushroom Cultivation, thanks again Beef for making the most comprehensive guide on the Shroomery. I would just like to recommend you to exercise caution when adding information. You do not want to overwhelm the noobs, something that has happened with bod's stickies in the past because there is so much information there.
--------------------
If you have used a Miraculix Psilocybin QTest, could you please share your results? Shipping free Ps. natalensis spore prints to any address in The Netherlands, just
Mush love
|
JW123
Nooby Nooby Noob


Registered: 01/17/22
Posts: 1,497
Loc: Tn
Last seen: 8 minutes, 45 seconds
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28519752 - 10/27/23 03:25 AM (6 months, 18 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
BeefSupremeJr said: Okay. So new updates today:
Be advised, Ythan stickied the thread. Thanks Ythan, and thanks to everyone whos helped and supported me.
|
Traveled
Wired



Registered: 08/23/23
Posts: 110
Loc: P2X-3YZ
Last seen: 1 day, 11 hours
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: JW123]
#28519762 - 10/27/23 04:09 AM (6 months, 18 days ago) |
|
|
This guide was already a must read but with all the improvement you've made it's become a gem.
-------------------- Let's all love Lain BeefSupremeJr Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomery π
π΄ π° πΌ π² π» πΈ π½ πΆ π
π
π° πΏ
|
Kroxx
Alchemist Seeker of Truth


Registered: 10/07/23
Posts: 32
Last seen: 4 months, 24 days
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Traveled] 1
#28519822 - 10/27/23 06:46 AM (6 months, 18 days ago) |
|
|
As a noob I will say its alot of info but the way beef broke up the individual sections makes it very very approachable. For me personally I love how information dense this is because I no longer have to open like 5 separate threads haha, now I just open this one and go right the section I need to review!
Beef I have a question on the agar streaking with a MSS, do you dilute the original spore solution for the streak, or are they typically diluted enough to begin with? I know this probably varies by vendor but just in a general sense. I'm sure this info can be searched easily but I thought since this guide is so comprehensive a sentence could easily be added if dilution is needed and if not then my question is answered! Thank you again, I'm very happy to see this stickied to the top of cultivation now!
|
milkboy
Child



Registered: 05/01/21
Posts: 2,389
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Kroxx] 4
#28519831 - 10/27/23 07:04 AM (6 months, 18 days ago) |
|
|
Im not beefy but I can say for typical cult practice dilution is not necessary.
-------------------- Gummies by milkboy Milkboys Public Display of Affection When the student is ready, the teacher appears
  
|
Hysteria
Bum Looker


Registered: 02/19/23
Posts: 962
Loc: New England USA
Last seen: 2 hours, 3 minutes
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28519835 - 10/27/23 07:14 AM (6 months, 18 days ago) |
|
|
So happy to see this stickied. And in the top spot! Stellar work, Beef, from the badass title on down.
|
meta_mmxxii


Registered: 08/03/23
Posts: 766
Loc: PNW
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Hysteria] 3
#28520092 - 10/27/23 12:28 PM (6 months, 18 days ago) |
|
|
Now if we could just get the new members to read it.
-------------------- Trusted Cultivators Teks Ultimate Tek Compendium The Hitchhikers Guide π
π΄ π° πΌ π² π» πΈ π½ πΆ π
π
π° πΏ FRENCHPRESS GANG
|
Baba Yaga
Psychedelic Minion

Registered: 09/13/20
Posts: 4,241
Loc: On Break Vacation
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Hysteria] 2
#28520099 - 10/27/23 12:35 PM (6 months, 18 days ago) |
|
|
Great work Beef! Have to say it again great content and compassionate delivery 
And thanks Brother(s) for making the post forwarding happening. This is such a great tool and makes it finally possible to link directly to a chapter in the post........total game changer.
|
Kinoko314
Stranger Danger



Registered: 12/16/22
Posts: 1,521
Loc: Colorado
Last seen: 4 months, 19 hours
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Baba Yaga]
#28520243 - 10/27/23 03:26 PM (6 months, 17 days ago) |
|
|
Congrats on making our lives easier! Now all we have to do is tell people to go to the first stickied post. No linking, and hopefully much less explaining.
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Kinoko314] 2
#28520244 - 10/27/23 03:28 PM (6 months, 17 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Kinoko314 said: Congrats on making our lives easier! Now all we have to do is tell people to go to the first stickied post. No linking, and hopefully much less explaining.

thanks man. that was the idea all along. everyone take a load off. to me, if it starts to even sound like someone is regurgitating reddit info, ill ask them to read it so we can have a productive discussion from a place of knowledge
|
Blueberry Muffin
Stranger


Registered: 09/15/23
Posts: 604
Last seen: 22 hours, 28 minutes
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28520277 - 10/27/23 03:55 PM (6 months, 17 days ago) |
|
|
As a noob, the thing about experimenting hits hard. Sometimes it feels like I can't help it and curiosity gets the better of me. Maybe because at the beginning everything seems possible. I do feel though that learning from my own mistakes really makes it apparent why some stuff is not how its done. I wish there was a post on shroomery about all of the things one can do wrong and what are the consenquences.
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
|
" In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's mind there are few.β
-Shunryu Suzuki
There is the confessional thread as well as the outdated tek thread but yeah we don't really always take time to explain why we don't do those things. it already takes so much of our time and energy to explain why we DO do things.
Check out page one of my confessional thread. I was doing some absolutely asinine things in the early 2000's. I had this home-made humidifier I made with an ultra-sonic fogger. It was a halloween gimmick designed to create a spooky fog effect. I would pump the fog into my MASSIVE opaque 66qt mono with a fishtank air pump. I thought i was soooo clever. What a fucking mess it made.. Of course it ruined the surface conditions. Somehow I managed to pull a flush out of that run but I realized pretty quickly how stupid it was.
SOOO i then tried to use the humidifier on an expensive classical guitar I owned and ruined it. I still hate myself for that and its been almost 20 years.
Its like You need the mushroom to open your consciousness so you can quit doing stupid shit but you can't get the mushroom to open open your mind up because you can't quit doing stupid shit and failing at the grow.
The growth happened exponentially once I got a bit of psil in me and I started respecting my elders like Bodhi...
Edited by BeefSupremeJr (10/27/23 04:47 PM)
|
ReverendMyc
succinct is not my forte

Registered: 03/29/19
Posts: 1,849
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 4
#28520341 - 10/27/23 05:12 PM (6 months, 17 days ago) |
|
|
Honestly this is going to sound douchey and I don't mean for it to be taken as an insult to anyone. I have a very sciencey mind. However, I suppressed my instincts and followed teks very carefully right from the start. I wasn't perfect, but between carefully following instructions, humbly asking for and listening to advice, and a fair amount of beginners luck, I was very successful on my first go at all of this. That is the douchey humble-brag.
Here is the douchey pot stirring. Just because I have an idea that differs from the accepted ideas and want to try it doesn't mean I am "doing science". The principals of science and the scientific method are firmly established for good reason. That is how we advance knowledge. But there are key principals missing from so many noob "experiments".
- limiting variables - It is nigh on impossible to determine cause and effect when there are uncountable differences between experiments.
- repeatability - It isn't proof if you and others cannot repeat the results.
- objectivity - Model experiments to eliminate doubt, not prove a pet theory.
I see many well intentioned people fall to this last one. They have a theory, they have evidence that seems to support it, anecdotal or otherwise, they go to any lengths to defend the theory. Science is not religion. If your theory is fact, you can prove it, it may take a lot of time, though. So don't waste you time arguing. Design and implement experiments and create irrefutable evidence. Share the results. When that is refuted, design and implement more to eliminate the new objections. No matter what you find out, I promise that you will learn something.
The first step to limiting variables and producing repeatable results is following established methods. Once you have that down, change one (1) thing and test the result. Repeat ...
Sorry to lecture, and I don't like to yell into an echo chamber, but this brilliant thread seemed like a good place for this. Okay, back to my own, ah-hmm, experiments.
-------------------- Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from sclerotia or mushrooms) *Not just for stones any more"Psychedelics are powerful substances. Nothing that powerful is completely safe... and nothing completely safe is that powerful!" - Abigail Calder at ALPS 2023 Don't Panic   
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: ReverendMyc]
#28520346 - 10/27/23 05:14 PM (6 months, 17 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
ReverendMyc said: Honestly this is going to sound douchey and I don't mean for it to be taken as an insult to anyone. I have a very sciencey mind. However, I suppressed my instincts and followed teks very carefully right from the start. I wasn't perfect, but between carefully following instructions, humbly asking for and listening to advice, and a fair amount of beginners luck, I was very successful on my first go at all of this. That is the douchey humble-brag.
Here is the douchey pot stirring. Just because I have an idea that differs from the accepted ideas and want to try it doesn't mean I am "doing science". The principals of science and the scientific method are firmly established for good reason. That is how we advance knowledge. But there are key principals missing from so many noob "experiments".
- limiting variables - It is nigh on impossible to determine cause and effect when there are uncountable differences between experiments.
- repeatability - It isn't proof if you and others cannot repeat the results.
- objectivity - Model experiments to eliminate doubt, not prove a pet theory.
I see many well intentioned people fall to this last one. They have a theory, they have evidence that seems to support it, anecdotal or otherwise, they go to any lengths to defend the theory. Science is not religion. If your theory is fact, you can prove it, it may take a lot of time, though. So don't waste you time arguing. Design and implement experiments and create irrefutable evidence. Share the results. When that is refuted, design and implement more to eliminate the new objections. No matter what you find out, I promise that you will learn something.
The first step to limiting variables and producing repeatable results is following established methods. Once you have that down, change one (1) thing and test the result. Repeat ...
Sorry to lecture, and I don't like to yell into an echo chamber, but this brilliant thread seemed like a good place for this. Okay, back to my own, ah-hmm, experiments.
totally understood. you noobed right. once in a while there are those.
|
Vr4_psych
Stranger
Registered: 07/05/22
Posts: 33
Last seen: 7 hours, 59 minutes
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28520755 - 10/28/23 12:46 AM (6 months, 17 days ago) |
|
|
Already found some mistakes I've been making with a quick read of this. Thanks, Beef!
|
Kroxx
Alchemist Seeker of Truth


Registered: 10/07/23
Posts: 32
Last seen: 4 months, 24 days
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Vr4_psych]
#28520847 - 10/28/23 05:50 AM (6 months, 17 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
ReverendMyc said: objectivity - Model experiments to eliminate doubt, not prove a pet theory.
I see many well intentioned people fall to this last one. They have a theory, they have evidence that seems to support it, anecdotal or otherwise, they go to any lengths to defend the theory.
This is such an important point in the scientific method that alot of people don't think about. After you get results that confirm a theory that is less than half the battle imo. Science isn't that something is absolute a fact, it's actually that the theory has yet to be disproven. So it's true until it's not, the moment an axillary experiment disproves a theory is the same moment the theory is disaolved. Of course if you pour your heart and energy into something you will naturally want to defend it. Even in industrial/academic research labs this emotional defense occurs, we are all human. It's important not to get discouraged though knowing what not to do is just as important as knowing what not to do! "I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."- Thomas Edison. Great points on scientific method ReverendMyc!
|
GogoBonkers
Just another pilgrim



Registered: 07/09/23
Posts: 87
Last seen: 7 hours, 43 minutes
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Kroxx]
#28521018 - 10/28/23 11:11 AM (6 months, 17 days ago) |
|
|
Setting rocksolid standart Good sticky, guides me through space and time. Thank's for writing and updating. Don't panic, cultivators mindset rule no1
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: GogoBonkers] 4
#28521157 - 10/28/23 01:14 PM (6 months, 16 days ago) |
|
|
keep calm and do agar
|
xVadisx
MountainsDogsAndFungi



Registered: 09/03/21
Posts: 1,324
Loc: Secret World HQ
Last seen: 4 hours, 23 minutes
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 4
#28521227 - 10/28/23 02:18 PM (6 months, 16 days ago) |
|
|
βYou know,β said Arthur, βitβs at times like this, when Iβm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space that I really wish Iβd listened to what my motherBeef told me when I was young.β βWhy, what did sheBeef tell you?β βI donβt know, I didnβt listen.β
Donβt be Arthur. Carry on.
-------------------- Thanks to everyone for sharing what they know . 165F for 24hrs. Better Holes Tek (Use a Step Drill Bit) Don't forget your towel: THE HITCHHIKER'S GUIDE TO THE SHROOMERY
|
NFLProof
Sponge



Registered: 05/31/18
Posts: 907
Loc: In the ether
Last seen: 18 days, 16 hours
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: xVadisx] 2
#28521342 - 10/28/23 04:10 PM (6 months, 16 days ago) |
|
|
Excellent job Beef. You are such a huge contribution to the community. Well done.
-------------------- Yeah, yeah.
|
Blueberry Muffin
Stranger

Registered: 09/15/23
Posts: 604
Last seen: 22 hours, 28 minutes
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: NFLProof]
#28521957 - 10/29/23 05:34 AM (6 months, 16 days ago) |
|
|
The thing I needed to realize at a higher level is that generally you need a clean culture (agar work) and let myc colonize in a sterile environment with all necessary nutrients and proper moisture level (pc grains or pftek) and then add a bit of coir or lots of coir (top fruiting or bulk respectively, NO nutrients added) and then balance FAE with humidity.
I think I have a theory down, but it still requires a lot of personal experience of looking at agar plates, trying to understand what is good, bad or better than something else. Also letting poured plates sit for a few days has been an eye opener. I thought that my sterile technique was lacking during transfers, turned out that it was lacking just mostly during pouring.
|
Fezzgig
Shpongled



Registered: 09/24/23
Posts: 53
Last seen: 15 hours, 17 minutes
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 1
#28522265 - 10/29/23 11:42 AM (6 months, 16 days ago) |
|
|
Excellent. I am just starting my first ever grow and I have been absolutely overwhelmed by the sheer amount of information (good and bad) out there. This is exactly what I needed at the perfect time to receive it.
Thank you.
|
3rdEyePsychonauts
Sick Pup



Registered: 09/04/23
Posts: 40
Last seen: 28 days, 17 hours
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Fezzgig] 1
#28522892 - 10/29/23 10:29 PM (6 months, 15 days ago) |
|
|
very well written , easy to understand and follow, keep adding to it and publish it into a book, your a very good writer and the name is great and catchy i can see this being a major influence to alot of people, lmk if you need help putting a cover together lol ill shoot you some designs if youd like foreal though.
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
|
Thanks everyone. I appreciate all the nice comments.
|
3rdEyePsychonauts
Sick Pup



Registered: 09/04/23
Posts: 40
Last seen: 28 days, 17 hours
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 2
#28525679 - 11/01/23 05:09 PM (6 months, 12 days ago) |
|
|


Here Made These For You!
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
|
Quote:
3rdEyePsychonauts said:


Here Made These For You!
 
AW I LOVE THESE! THANK YOU!
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
|
added to my sig! thanks again!
|
3rdEyePsychonauts
Sick Pup



Registered: 09/04/23
Posts: 40
Last seen: 28 days, 17 hours
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 1
#28525812 - 11/01/23 07:06 PM (6 months, 12 days ago) |
|
|
hahha fuck ya, np 
|
thcee
Villiage Idiot


Registered: 04/17/23
Posts: 122
Loc: Orbit
Last seen: 24 days, 14 minutes
|
|
Nice guide. Thanks for this great write up
--------------------
π
π΄ π° πΌ π² π» πΈ π½ πΆ π
π
π° πΏ
|
starvinghooker
Voyager



Registered: 04/16/23
Posts: 535
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 1
#28527097 - 11/02/23 08:30 PM (6 months, 11 days ago) |
|
|
Yo Beef. I've been referencing this thing a lot since creation, so thanks a lot man.
Would you consider adding a "Subsequent Flushes" section to the guide, or maybe even just a link to the latest or best techniques? I know it would be a lot of info as different grow methods would have different teks for 2nd+ flushes, but I think it would be a very helpful addition to the guide.
-------------------- Grab life by the balls and yank on 'em til everything you want comes gushing out in thick, creamy ribbons Noob like me? Start here! Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery
|
meta_mmxxii

Registered: 08/03/23
Posts: 766
Loc: PNW
|
|
Quote:
starvinghooker said: Yo Beef. I've been referencing this thing a lot since creation, so thanks a lot man.
Would you consider adding a "Subsequent Flushes" section to the guide, or maybe even just a link to the latest or best techniques? I know it would be a lot of info as different grow methods would have different teks for 2nd+ flushes, but I think it would be a very helpful addition to the guide.
I concur!
-------------------- Trusted Cultivators Teks Ultimate Tek Compendium The Hitchhikers Guide π
π΄ π° πΌ π² π» πΈ π½ πΆ π
π
π° πΏ FRENCHPRESS GANG
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
|
Quote:
starvinghooker said: Yo Beef. I've been referencing this thing a lot since creation, so thanks a lot man.
Would you consider adding a "Subsequent Flushes" section to the guide, or maybe even just a link to the latest or best techniques? I know it would be a lot of info as different grow methods would have different teks for 2nd+ flushes, but I think it would be a very helpful addition to the guide.
you bet
|
hazyhorse
scoobin



Registered: 03/19/19
Posts: 3,822
Last seen: 30 days, 1 hour
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 1
#28527355 - 11/03/23 01:16 AM (6 months, 11 days ago) |
|
|
beefy, just saw this thread in your sig. wow, incredible write up man. iβve been thinking the shroomery needed a straightforward guide like this for awhile now. was gonna do it myself but you saved me the trouble. youβre a real one man, seriously thank you for this. iβll be linking this often i have no doubt
-------------------- you're not the first to set foot here, just another =================================== i love glass petris & you can too!! posts i constantly refer back to new to mushroom cultivation?? read this!! ===================================
  π
π΄ π° πΌ π² π» πΈ π½ πΆ π
π
π° πΏ
|
Way
The


Registered: 01/14/23
Posts: 4,336
Loc: A long way away
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: hazyhorse] 1
#28527387 - 11/03/23 02:11 AM (6 months, 11 days ago) |
|
|
Yeah I really wish this thread was around when I first started. Nice and streamlined. Great job Beef.
--------------------
That's the way she goes, boys. Sometimes she goes, sometimes she doesn't, cause that's the fuckin way she goes.
|
Blueberry Muffin
Stranger


Registered: 09/15/23
Posts: 604
Last seen: 22 hours, 28 minutes
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Way]
#28527392 - 11/03/23 02:31 AM (6 months, 11 days ago) |
|
|
Beef, I was wondering if some info on spawn to coir ratio would be a nice addition. As a beginner who has not spawned yet, I'm looking forward to spawning but inevitably start wondering about the ratio to use and what are the tradeoffs in either end. I believe I've read that amount of yield is correlated most with the amount of spawn and that more spawn means faster colonization, more yield, less time for some contam to outrun the myc but if there's not enough coir then more babysitting is needed humidity wise? I believe I've read something about bigger fruits, less flushes or smaller fruits more flushes... some guidance is appreciated
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
|
Quote:
theodor said: Beef, I was wondering if some info on spawn to coir ratio would be a nice addition. As a beginner who has not spawned yet, I'm looking forward to spawning but inevitably start wondering about the ratio to use and what are the tradeoffs in either end. I believe I've read that amount of yield is correlated most with the amount of spawn and that more spawn means faster colonization, more yield, less time for some contam to outrun the myc but if there's not enough coir then more babysitting is needed humidity wise? I believe I've read something about bigger fruits, less flushes or smaller fruits more flushes... some guidance is appreciated 
you bet.
i might not get a chance to add it before you spawn so heres my method and im quite fond of it:
for a 16qt tub:
I take two qts of spawn and mix with 8qts of coir. level it and compress it hard with a tile float. now i pseudo case it with two more qts (as per stipe & cap) and i level and compress that too.
this gives a lot more available water to pull from so your flushes will be rich and you should get at least a couple depending on the var.
|
Blueberry Muffin
Stranger


Registered: 09/15/23
Posts: 604
Last seen: 22 hours, 28 minutes
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28527651 - 11/03/23 09:36 AM (6 months, 11 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
BeefSupremeJr said:
Quote:
theodor said: Beef, I was wondering if some info on spawn to coir ratio would be a nice addition. As a beginner who has not spawned yet, I'm looking forward to spawning but inevitably start wondering about the ratio to use and what are the tradeoffs in either end. I believe I've read that amount of yield is correlated most with the amount of spawn and that more spawn means faster colonization, more yield, less time for some contam to outrun the myc but if there's not enough coir then more babysitting is needed humidity wise? I believe I've read something about bigger fruits, less flushes or smaller fruits more flushes... some guidance is appreciated 
you bet.
i might not get a chance to add it before you spawn so heres my method and im quite fond of it:
for a 16qt tub:
I take two qts of spawn and mix with 8qts of coir. level it and compress it hard with a tile float. now i pseudo case it with two more qts (as per stipe & cap) and i level and compress that too.
this gives a lot more available water to pull from so your flushes will be rich and you should get at least a couple depending on the var.
Thanks! Had to search to confirm what I thought is pseudocasing. Basically mix spawn and coir and then add plain coir on top. I'm guessing compressing will give a more even flush at the cost of colonization time?
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
|
frankly I don't think it makes any difference in terms of colonization time. If it does the differences negligible. yes it makes the flush better and more consistent. it also csn help prevent pe blobs. its the only way i spawn anything these days.
|
tripdawg420
low life with no life



Registered: 02/02/09
Posts: 7,482
Loc: illinois
Last seen: 1 hour, 31 minutes
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28527797 - 11/03/23 11:18 AM (6 months, 11 days ago) |
|
|
|
AcmeBear
Traveler
Registered: 10/22/23
Posts: 29
Loc: Milky Way
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: tripdawg420] 1
#28532172 - 11/06/23 07:09 PM (6 months, 7 days ago) |
|
|
Thank you for consolidating so much knowledge into a fluid, easy to digest form. I couldn't have read this at a better time!
|
PrecSci
Stranger

Registered: 11/07/23
Posts: 1
Last seen: 5 months, 3 days
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28532772 - 11/07/23 10:37 AM (6 months, 7 days ago) |
|
|
Incredible resource for a newbie like me.
I especially wanted to thank you for the "more money than time" advice - I know it pained you to write it. But I think a lot of people actually fall into that category if they come to this hobby in mid-life. There are just too many prior commitments - and apart from time saved in sterilizing, etc, there is time saved in not having failed grow attempts.
And costs are relative. Aside from a professional laminar flow hood - everything in this hobby is relatively inexpensive. Less than 2 tickets to a popular concert, or one day of skiing with your kids will get you set up like with a 4-shelf grow tent, humidity and heat automation, some ready to go spawn jars and bulk bags. (I used midwestgrowkits and the products are high quality). Initial stock, plus a commercially prepared liquid culture kit to extend you stock - I'm trying both APE MSS in an AIO bag and Tidal Wave LC in spawn bag are less than a night out with the wife at a nice restaurant.
Thanks again.
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: PrecSci] 1
#28532854 - 11/07/23 11:52 AM (6 months, 7 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
PrecSci said: Incredible resource for a newbie like me.
I especially wanted to thank you for the "more money than time" advice - I know it pained you to write it. But I think a lot of people actually fall into that category if they come to this hobby in mid-life. There are just too many prior commitments - and apart from time saved in sterilizing, etc, there is time saved in not having failed grow attempts.
And costs are relative. Aside from a professional laminar flow hood - everything in this hobby is relatively inexpensive. Less than 2 tickets to a popular concert, or one day of skiing with your kids will get you set up like with a 4-shelf grow tent, humidity and heat automation, some ready to go spawn jars and bulk bags. (I used midwestgrowkits and the products are high quality). Initial stock, plus a commercially prepared liquid culture kit to extend you stock - I'm trying both APE MSS in an AIO bag and Tidal Wave LC in spawn bag are less than a night out with the wife at a nice restaurant.
Thanks again.
totally. and i totally understand which is why i included it. i can easily spend that kind of cash in a single weekend without batting an eyelash. its more about the pride we feel for inventing and building our own systems and we really just like it when other people utilize said systems but alas, my initiative with this writeup was to spread the medicine--not pride. my vanity is but a peripherpal motive.
good luck. dont panic and be sure to share your results/failures.
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 3
#28533944 - 11/08/23 08:25 AM (6 months, 6 days ago) |
|
|
Hey my bbs. Good morning and I love you all. Listen I sat down and added the two paragraphs to the BULK section as requested.
Big ass paragraph about spawn ratio's and another big ass paragraph talking about subsequent flushing.
My editor (smelly hobbit) is going to kill me. You're welcome.
|
Milehighshroomer
Grateful noob

Registered: 11/06/23
Posts: 33
Last seen: 3 months, 21 days
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 1
#28535665 - 11/09/23 12:40 PM (6 months, 4 days ago) |
|
|
Thank you so much for making this post I've been floating around shroomery picking up new along with outdated information. It really means alot to me and everyone here that we have a place to be humbled and learn from years of trial and error. I was wondering what you think the absolute best source for learning PC was? I'm a bit disorganized and if you mentioned it I apologize I didnt catch it with the other amazing tons of things to learn.
-------------------- Show love and spread love.
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
|
Quote:
Milehighshroomer said: Thank you so much for making this post I've been floating around shroomery picking up new along with outdated information. It really means alot to me and everyone here that we have a place to be humbled and learn from years of trial and error. I was wondering what you think the absolute best source for learning PC was? I'm a bit disorganized and if you mentioned it I apologize I didnt catch it with the other amazing tons of things to learn.
pc? you mean.. pressure cooking?
|
Milehighshroomer
Grateful noob

Registered: 11/06/23
Posts: 33
Last seen: 3 months, 21 days
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28535874 - 11/09/23 03:21 PM (6 months, 4 days ago) |
|
|
I do mean pressure cooking. I could've used that acronym wrong. I'm still very very new.
-------------------- Show love and spread love.
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
|
I see! I learned from my own mother canning preserves etc. Ball β’οΈ has a whole book about it you get off the zon, but honestly, theres just not a lot to it. A presto will come with a comprehensive Manual. I feel you have exposed an inconsistency in the hitchhikers guide here. pressure cooking is so rudimentary that i guess i assumed it wasnt neccesary to mention. I may need to consult my editor here and add a blurb.
|
ReverendMyc
succinct is not my forte

Registered: 03/29/19
Posts: 1,849
|
|
Hey Sir Beef this link is where I relearned all things PC. BOD's Easy AF how to use your pressure cooker for mycology TEK is a great tek on the subject of PCs. It is a bit over the recommended 5 year mark in age, but I think all of the info holds true today.
-------------------- Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from sclerotia or mushrooms) *Not just for stones any more"Psychedelics are powerful substances. Nothing that powerful is completely safe... and nothing completely safe is that powerful!" - Abigail Calder at ALPS 2023 Don't Panic   
|
Way
The


Registered: 01/14/23
Posts: 4,336
Loc: A long way away
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: ReverendMyc] 2
#28535921 - 11/09/23 03:53 PM (6 months, 4 days ago) |
|
|

Also where I learned the basics of a PC. A PC is a confusing, seemingly extremely dangerous piece of equipment to the uninformed.
--------------------
That's the way she goes, boys. Sometimes she goes, sometimes she doesn't, cause that's the fuckin way she goes.
|
Milehighshroomer
Grateful noob

Registered: 11/06/23
Posts: 33
Last seen: 3 months, 21 days
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28535933 - 11/09/23 04:07 PM (6 months, 4 days ago) |
|
|
Thank you for the follow up I really do appreciate you taking time out of your day to answer my question. I will be ordering that exact pressure cooker. I'll read the manual you mentioned as well. Sorry to ask something so basic hearing that. Your hitch hikers guide has basically been my word for word manual how to do things correctly is why that came to mind. Keep up the absolutely killer work. I wouldn't have gotten this knowledge in absolutely years without resources like all of you. I'm still mind blown a place like this exists frankly.
-------------------- Show love and spread love.
|
hazyhorse
scoobin



Registered: 03/19/19
Posts: 3,822
Last seen: 30 days, 1 hour
|
|
dude donβt apologize for asking a βbasicβ question! you helped highlight an area where this guide could be more thorough. the PC was hella confusing for me at first too & i think itβs a learning curve a lot of cultivators forget about once they start really getting into the weeds of mush cult
-------------------- you're not the first to set foot here, just another =================================== i love glass petris & you can too!! posts i constantly refer back to new to mushroom cultivation?? read this!! ===================================
  π
π΄ π° πΌ π² π» πΈ π½ πΆ π
π
π° πΏ
|
B Traven
Stranger



Registered: 03/10/20
Posts: 2,787
Loc: Central Megalopolis
Last seen: 2 hours, 43 minutes
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 2
#28535945 - 11/09/23 04:19 PM (6 months, 4 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
BeefSupremeJr said: I see! I learned from my own mother canning preserves etc. Ball β’οΈ has a whole book about it you get off the zon, but honestly, theres just not a lot to it. A presto will come with a comprehensive Manual. I feel you have exposed an inconsistency in the hitchhikers guide here. pressure cooking is so rudimentary that i guess i assumed it wasnt neccesary to mention. I may need to consult my editor here and add a blurb.
There's specifics to "canning" anything, including grain jars. I agree that the manual is the best place to start, perhaps what's needed in a thread like this is just a basic "canning recipe" for sterilized grain...
-------------------- Beware of advice- even this.
|
Blueberry Muffin
Stranger


Registered: 09/15/23
Posts: 604
Last seen: 22 hours, 28 minutes
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: B Traven] 1
#28536351 - 11/09/23 10:11 PM (6 months, 4 days ago) |
|
|
I already forgot how intimidating canning was. Some things I learned that I'm still not 100% confident in and some are my assumptions:
Lids are unscrewed to let the air out and prevent exploding. PC needs to be vented or in other words air needs to come out because steam is what does the sterilizing and the pressure gauge won't read right (and in my experience rise unnaturally rapidly). The PC should cool down and drop in pressure without intervention. I tried letting the steam out faster, I think that is the reason agar spilled out of the media bottles my first time (might not be as important for grain?). The jars should not touch the walls of the pc because they might break? A little room should be left between jars or walls for steam to access? Water can be up to 50% the height of the jars. If your PC has a jiggler, consider taping a few cents on top of it to prevent noise and loss of moisture at 15 psi (I just used foil to attach some cents on top of the jiggler)
Well.. I think thats mostly what I know. Some of it is prob wrong or some reasons for doing stuff might be wrong.
|
xVadisx
MountainsDogsAndFungi



Registered: 09/03/21
Posts: 1,324
Loc: Secret World HQ
Last seen: 4 hours, 23 minutes
|
|
Quote:
theodor said: I already forgot how intimidating canning was. Some things I learned that I'm still not 100% confident in and some are my assumptions:
Lids are unscrewed to let the air out and prevent exploding. PC needs to be vented or in other words air needs to come out because steam is what does the sterilizing and the pressure gauge won't read right (and in my experience rise unnaturally rapidly). The PC should cool down and drop in pressure without intervention. I tried letting the steam out faster, I think that is the reason agar spilled out of the media bottles my first time (might not be as important for grain?). The jars should not touch the walls of the pc because they might break? A little room should be left between jars or walls for steam to access? Water can be up to 50% the height of the jars. If your PC has a jiggler, consider taping a few cents on top of it to prevent noise and loss of moisture at 15 psi (I just used foil to attach some cents on top of the jiggler)
Well.. I think thats mostly what I know. Some of it is prob wrong or some reasons for doing stuff might be wrong.
Not a full response. A few notes though: -if the jar has air exchange (a hole with a filter in the lid) and is a proper plastic lid, screw it down. -I donβt fill up water past the bottom of my jars, but also donβt run your PC dry. I usually add at least one layer of jar rings. -yes, vent. 10-20 minutes. -the walls and jars etc will probably touch a bit. You can certainly prevent this with jar lids and whatnot if needed. Iβve never needed to. Bags are more prone to melting off the sides. -nothing is done fast, ever. Slow wins with a PC. There is an egg between you and your accelerator .
-------------------- Thanks to everyone for sharing what they know . 165F for 24hrs. Better Holes Tek (Use a Step Drill Bit) Don't forget your towel: THE HITCHHIKER'S GUIDE TO THE SHROOMERY
|
Milehighshroomer
Grateful noob

Registered: 11/06/23
Posts: 33
Last seen: 3 months, 21 days
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: xVadisx]
#28536545 - 11/10/23 03:11 AM (6 months, 4 days ago) |
|
|
Would a metal lid with a filter work just as well that you know of? I'm trying my hardest to be safe.
-------------------- Show love and spread love.
|
hazyhorse
scoobin



Registered: 03/19/19
Posts: 3,822
Last seen: 30 days, 1 hour
|
|
metal jar lids work. you can use one piece metal or two piece taped together with micropore or something
-------------------- you're not the first to set foot here, just another =================================== i love glass petris & you can too!! posts i constantly refer back to new to mushroom cultivation?? read this!! ===================================
  π
π΄ π° πΌ π² π» πΈ π½ πΆ π
π
π° πΏ
|
B Traven
Stranger



Registered: 03/10/20
Posts: 2,787
Loc: Central Megalopolis
Last seen: 2 hours, 43 minutes
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: hazyhorse] 4
#28536609 - 11/10/23 06:18 AM (6 months, 4 days ago) |
|
|
I've had no issue with plastic storage lids or jars touching the sides of the PC, at least not for the top layer of 3 in a 23 quart presto. (I do cover my lids with foil.) I mean, I try to avoid it, but touching does happen. Never experienced catastrophe as a result. Keep in mind that aluminum conducts heat very well, and the entire system comes up to full heat/pressure at the same time. There's not really a "hot surface" you have to worry about. It might be different on the bottom of the vessel, near the heating element, but the trivet keeps us away from that spot and the boiling water distributes the heat.
I use crushed beer cans to raise up the trivet on my 23 quart Presto. The kinds with stickers for labels, so once they peel off you just have pure unpainted aluminum. I used to use old jar rings, but they rust and make a huge mess. I raise the trivet to the point where I can still fit that top layer of 3 jars, but it's a snug fit. Then I fill with enough water to cover the base of the trivet. I've had less-than-ideal outcomes when covering the actual grain in the jars with water (porridge in the bottom half of my jars), so I try to avoid doing that. Like a million other things, I know it CAN work fine, but it's just something I don't want to worry about dialing in.
I leave my jar lids loose, just tight enough to pick up by the lid. I'm not gonna switch up just because cranking them down should be OK. Fact is, I've got a rhythm to my process that I don't want to mess with. Same goes for the way I simmer and "dry" my grain. Or for that matter, my choice/source of grains. But then, regardless of whether loose lids serve any purpose during the sterilization process, my main reason for doing it is so that I only have to unscrew them like half a turn when getting them ready for transfers. I can easily do that in my SAB without creating too much turbulence or knocking things over-don't even have to touch the bottom of the jar to do it. I don't want to deal with screwed-down, cooled-down jars in that moment.
Yeah, when you cook with an Instant Pot the recipes always specify manual pressure release or natural pressure release. Some stuff only runs for "0" minutes, meaning the unit just gets brought up to pressure and then all of the cooking is basically being done during cool-down.
Manually releasing the pressure is definitely reducing the sterilization time, though it might not matter much if the runtime is long enough. I'd also be leary of creating that air flow, even though it might not really matter. But turning off the heat and letting the PC sit overnight just seems like the path of least resistance. That way, you also know that your jars aren't too hot to work with...
I guess that's part of the problem with PC'ing instructions: there really are a lot of variables to take into consideration, and they all impact the final outcome. The only thing we can state with relative certainty is the time needed at "X" heat and pressure pressure to sterilize grains. The feng shui of the rest of it gets pretty squishy. But those of us who have been at it for a while know exactly what to do with our specific stoves, cookers, grains, etc., so it feels like there's nothing to it.
-------------------- Beware of advice- even this.
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: B Traven] 3
#28536690 - 11/10/23 07:34 AM (6 months, 4 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
B Traven said: I've had no issue with plastic storage lids or jars touching the sides of the PC, at least not for the top layer of 3 in a 23 quart presto. (I do cover my lids with foil.) I mean, I try to avoid it, but touching does happen. Never experienced catastrophe as a result. Keep in mind that aluminum conducts heat very well, and the entire system comes up to full heat/pressure at the same time. There's not really a "hot surface" you have to worry about. It might be different on the bottom of the vessel, near the heating element, but the trivet keeps us away from that spot and the boiling water distributes the heat.
I use crushed beer cans to raise up the trivet on my 23 quart Presto. The kinds with stickers for labels, so once they peel off you just have pure unpainted aluminum. I used to use old jar rings, but they rust and make a huge mess. I raise the trivet to the point where I can still fit that top layer of 3 jars, but it's a snug fit. Then I fill with enough water to cover the base of the trivet. I've had less-than-ideal outcomes when covering the actual grain in the jars with water (porridge in the bottom half of my jars), so I try to avoid doing that. Like a million other things, I know it CAN work fine, but it's just something I don't want to worry about dialing in.
I leave my jar lids loose, just tight enough to pick up by the lid. I'm not gonna switch up just because cranking them down should be OK. Fact is, I've got a rhythm to my process that I don't want to mess with. Same goes for the way I simmer and "dry" my grain. Or for that matter, my choice/source of grains. But then, regardless of whether loose lids serve any purpose during the sterilization process, my main reason for doing it is so that I only have to unscrew them like half a turn when getting them ready for transfers. I can easily do that in my SAB without creating too much turbulence or knocking things over-don't even have to touch the bottom of the jar to do it. I don't want to deal with screwed-down, cooled-down jars in that moment.
Yeah, when you cook with an Instant Pot the recipes always specify manual pressure release or natural pressure release. Some stuff only runs for "0" minutes, meaning the unit just gets brought up to pressure and then all of the cooking is basically being done during cool-down.
Manually releasing the pressure is definitely reducing the sterilization time, though it might not matter much if the runtime is long enough. I'd also be leary of creating that air flow, even though it might not really matter. But turning off the heat and letting the PC sit overnight just seems like the path of least resistance. That way, you also know that your jars aren't too hot to work with...
I guess that's part of the problem with PC'ing instructions: there really are a lot of variables to take into consideration, and they all impact the final outcome. The only thing we can state with relative certainty is the time needed at "X" heat and pressure pressure to sterilize grains. The feng shui of the rest of it gets pretty squishy. But those of us who have been at it for a while know exactly what to do with our specific stoves, cookers, grains, etc., so it feels like there's nothing to it.
Well said, as usual sir. I use jar rings to raise my trivet when doing grain but I've used little half pint jars when doing agar. Theres a certain amount of intuition that takes place once you understand the general idea. I know I need to add a paragraph or two about PC'ing to the guide and I honestly am having a hard time knowing where to start.
Funny. Someone whos never grown a single shroom or ever ran a PC exposed a gap in my writeup. Perspective is a funny thing, yea?
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 3
#28536770 - 11/10/23 08:26 AM (6 months, 4 days ago) |
|
|
Bad news. I've reached the length limit on post-size. I wrote a whole thing on pressure cooking and then lost it when i went to post. I hit the back button and it was gone. Bummer. So all i could do was add a little paragraph and include bods PC writeup. Didn't even get to include my blurb about the 50 cent upgrade.

I COULD ask ythan for expansion but alas, I don't want to bother him again. Hes done so much for me lately including:
Combining my old account's post count and registration date with my current account.
Integrating anchors which was a forum-wide modification that undoubtedly took some work.
Increasing the number of gradients per post so that I can have every single link in my writeup have a cool gradient.
SO i just can't bring myself to ask him for anything else at this time. Alas, I think the Hitchhikers Guide To The Shroomery is officially complete. (Pending editing via SmellyHobbit)
|
B Traven
Stranger



Registered: 03/10/20
Posts: 2,787
Loc: Central Megalopolis
Last seen: 2 hours, 43 minutes
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 1
#28536857 - 11/10/23 09:28 AM (6 months, 4 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
BeefSupremeJr said: Bad news. I've reached the length limit on post-size. I wrote a whole thing on pressure cooking and then lost it when i went to post. I hit the back button and it was gone. Bummer. So all i could do was add a little paragraph and include bods PC writeup. Didn't even get to include my blurb about the 50 cent upgrade.

I COULD ask ythan for expansion but alas, I don't want to bother him again. Hes done so much for me lately including:
Combining my old account's post count and registration date with my current account.
Integrating anchors which was a forum-wide modification that undoubtedly took some work.
Increasing the number of gradients per post so that I can have every single link in my writeup have a cool gradient.
SO i just can't bring myself to ask him for anything else at this time. Alas, I think the Hitchhikers Guide To The Shroomery is officially complete. (Pending editing via SmellyHobbit)
Oh, wow, I can't believe I've never hit that limit lol
Although this might not be a site-related problem. It could just be that they bulldozed the last part of your comment in order to build a bypass...
-------------------- Beware of advice- even this.
|
meta_mmxxii

Registered: 08/03/23
Posts: 766
Loc: PNW
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: B Traven] 1
#28536992 - 11/10/23 11:01 AM (6 months, 4 days ago) |
|
|
Hey Beef, call this one Volume 1, and start a new one called Volume 2, that way you have a blank canvas to share more of your valuable wealth of information for us new guys.
-------------------- Trusted Cultivators Teks Ultimate Tek Compendium The Hitchhikers Guide π
π΄ π° πΌ π² π» πΈ π½ πΆ π
π
π° πΏ FRENCHPRESS GANG
|
Fezzgig
Shpongled



Registered: 09/24/23
Posts: 53
Last seen: 15 hours, 17 minutes
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 1
#28537154 - 11/10/23 01:11 PM (6 months, 3 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
BeefSupremeJr said: Bad news. I've reached the length limit on post-size. I wrote a whole thing on pressure cooking and then lost it when i went to post. I hit the back button and it was gone. Bummer. So all i could do was add a little paragraph and include bods PC writeup. Didn't even get to include my blurb about the 50 cent upgrade.

I COULD ask ythan for expansion but alas, I don't want to bother him again. Hes done so much for me lately including:
Combining my old account's post count and registration date with my current account.
Integrating anchors which was a forum-wide modification that undoubtedly took some work.
Increasing the number of gradients per post so that I can have every single link in my writeup have a cool gradient.
SO i just can't bring myself to ask him for anything else at this time. Alas, I think the Hitchhikers Guide To The Shroomery is officially complete. (Pending editing via SmellyHobbit)
Couldnβt you just move Chapter 5-7 to your reserved, second post? Just move them before deleting so you can be sure the info is safeguarded.
|
Way
The


Registered: 01/14/23
Posts: 4,336
Loc: A long way away
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 2
#28537228 - 11/10/23 01:58 PM (6 months, 3 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
BeefSupremeJr said: Bad news. I've reached the length limit on post-size. I wrote a whole thing on pressure cooking and then lost it when i went to post. I hit the back button and it was gone. Bummer. So all i could do was add a little paragraph and include bods PC writeup. Didn't even get to include my blurb about the 50 cent upgrade.

I COULD ask ythan for expansion but alas, I don't want to bother him again. Hes done so much for me lately including:
Combining my old account's post count and registration date with my current account.
Integrating anchors which was a forum-wide modification that undoubtedly took some work.
Increasing the number of gradients per post so that I can have every single link in my writeup have a cool gradient.
SO i just can't bring myself to ask him for anything else at this time. Alas, I think the Hitchhikers Guide To The Shroomery is officially complete. (Pending editing via SmellyHobbit)
Isn't that why you have the reserved second post?
--------------------
That's the way she goes, boys. Sometimes she goes, sometimes she doesn't, cause that's the fuckin way she goes.
|
milkboy
Child



Registered: 05/01/21
Posts: 2,389
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: Way] 5
#28537235 - 11/10/23 02:03 PM (6 months, 3 days ago) |
|
|
Good point Way!
Back to work beef!
-------------------- Gummies by milkboy Milkboys Public Display of Affection When the student is ready, the teacher appears
  
|
meta_mmxxii

Registered: 08/03/23
Posts: 766
Loc: PNW
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: milkboy]
#28537297 - 11/10/23 02:44 PM (6 months, 3 days ago) |
|
|
-------------------- Trusted Cultivators Teks Ultimate Tek Compendium The Hitchhikers Guide π
π΄ π° πΌ π² π» πΈ π½ πΆ π
π
π° πΏ FRENCHPRESS GANG
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: meta_mmxxii] 2
#28537495 - 11/10/23 05:03 PM (6 months, 3 days ago) |
|
|
If you guys think thats what should happen then ok. thats what ythan said too. Im haggard from this brutal work week i just had but I will get started on it next week. Hopefully vadis will be down to help me get the anchors right.
I wonder if i will ever be able to accept any draft of this fucking thing.
|
NFLProof
Sponge



Registered: 05/31/18
Posts: 907
Loc: In the ether
Last seen: 18 days, 16 hours
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 1
#28537663 - 11/10/23 06:55 PM (6 months, 3 days ago) |
|
|
Itβs a living breathing document now sir.
-------------------- Yeah, yeah.
|
JW123
Nooby Nooby Noob


Registered: 01/17/22
Posts: 1,497
Loc: Tn
Last seen: 8 minutes, 45 seconds
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 1
#28538989 - 11/11/23 04:23 PM (6 months, 2 days ago) |
|
|
No. That is the writers curse. No draft is ever good enough.
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: JW123] 2
#28539001 - 11/11/23 04:31 PM (6 months, 2 days ago) |
|
|
yeah im honestly just thinkin i leave it alone. i mean.. when you think about it, i left instructions on how to communicate with the community and use the search function. i have a lot of tattoos that are unfinished and i grow to like them that way. this is sortof an ongoing trend.
|
TheStallionMang
Do U know who yur fuckin with?


Registered: 10/18/17
Posts: 4,825
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 6
#28539038 - 11/11/23 05:11 PM (6 months, 2 days ago) |
|
|
Take it easy and get some rest buddy. You did enough work on this already
|
Kinoko314
Stranger Danger



Registered: 12/16/22
Posts: 1,521
Loc: Colorado
Last seen: 4 months, 19 hours
|
|
Yeah, take a break. You can come back to make changes some time in the future. Just keep a to-do list for the future, and knock it out on some day that you're feeling it.
|
MicoPata
Stranger
Registered: 10/29/23
Posts: 10
Last seen: 4 months, 4 days
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 1
#28545771 - 11/16/23 08:43 PM (5 months, 28 days ago) |
|
|
Thank you for this. Kinda nerdy but the 7th habit if 7 Habits of Highly Effective People is "Rest and Renew". One must "sharpen the blade" before getting back to work on order to make future work more effective.
Once again. Thank you for the amount of work you put into this.
|
Precubescent
Measure twice cut once

Registered: 11/17/23
Posts: 10
Loc: Calu
Last seen: 5 months, 14 days
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28551163 - 11/21/23 07:17 AM (5 months, 24 days ago) |
|
|
Ty
|
Floret
Unmodify everything

Registered: 01/02/23
Posts: 275
Loc: underneath the water
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: Precubescent] 1
#28553191 - 11/22/23 07:21 PM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
|
|
I take a short break from Shroomery and come back to this masterpiece. Nice writeup Beef, way to consolidate all the pieces in cult 101. Crazy, all the useful threads I read are summed up in this post, even pointing out the outdated stuff!
-------------------- LAGM 2024
|
Tommeh
Stranger
Registered: 11/06/23
Posts: 1
Last seen: 22 hours, 5 minutes
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: Floret]
#28555164 - 11/24/23 03:55 PM (5 months, 20 days ago) |
|
|
Very useful. thnx!
|
LewDoja
mad $cientist, ganjacologist


Registered: 09/18/09
Posts: 1,304
Loc: A fictional tale, in fictional...
Last seen: 11 hours, 14 minutes
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: Tommeh]
#28555946 - 11/25/23 11:27 AM (5 months, 20 days ago) |
|
|
Amazing Job BEEF! Well articulated and straight to the point with links to great resources. THANK You for your effort and awesome acknowledgments!
-------------------- a wise man said: "Bad drugs tell you, that you want more; Good drugs tell you, that you've had enough" Trades pending: if we have any pending trades or you never received anything that you were expecting send a PM with details. I've had a lot going on, and may have overlooked something as well as USPS snafu's.
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: LewDoja] 4
#28558117 - 11/27/23 09:13 AM (5 months, 18 days ago) |
|
|
Thanks guys.
I edited it again. I actually shortened the paragraph about spawn ratios and included the tek i just wrote on how I spawn my beefy ass tubs. Do trip out.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28558116#28558116
|
beezlebuffo
Stranger
Registered: 11/07/23
Posts: 11
Last seen: 4 months, 10 days
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28559549 - 11/28/23 02:44 PM (5 months, 16 days ago) |
|
|
|
beezlebuffo
Stranger
Registered: 11/07/23
Posts: 11
Last seen: 4 months, 10 days
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: beezlebuffo] 1
#28559552 - 11/28/23 02:46 PM (5 months, 16 days ago) |
|
|
Thank you kind sir.
|
beezlebuffo
Stranger
Registered: 11/07/23
Posts: 11
Last seen: 4 months, 10 days
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: beezlebuffo] 1
#28559554 - 11/28/23 02:47 PM (5 months, 16 days ago) |
|
|
Thank you
|
GuyOnaBuffalo
I'm On A Buffalo!

Registered: 08/26/23
Posts: 86
Last seen: 1 month, 14 days
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: beezlebuffo] 1
#28566008 - 12/02/23 09:47 PM (5 months, 12 days ago) |
|
|
Thank you for the write up. Followed every link and learned a ton.
|
GuyOnaBuffalo
I'm On A Buffalo!

Registered: 08/26/23
Posts: 86
Last seen: 1 month, 14 days
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28566015 - 12/02/23 09:51 PM (5 months, 12 days ago) |
|
|
1:4 is pretty surprising as a nooby who's been reading a lot about 1:1 or 1:2 to decrease colonization time to try and beat out any contam I might have. It certainly would get more fruit per quart of grain spawn though. You don't see slowed colonization time with the 1:4 and thick pseudo case? Looking forward to giving it a try and seeing for myself as well.
Edited by GuyOnaBuffalo (12/02/23 09:52 PM)
|
GuyOnaBuffalo
I'm On A Buffalo!

Registered: 08/26/23
Posts: 86
Last seen: 1 month, 14 days
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28566017 - 12/02/23 09:52 PM (5 months, 12 days ago) |
|
|
1:4 is pretty surprising as a nooby who's been reading a lot about 1:1 or 1:2 to decrease colonization time to try and beat out any contam I might have. It certainly would get more fruit per quart of grain spawn though. You don't see slowed colonization time with the 1:4 and thick pseudo case? Looking forward to giving it a try and setting for myself as well.
|
GuyOnaBuffalo
I'm On A Buffalo!

Registered: 08/26/23
Posts: 86
Last seen: 1 month, 14 days
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: beezlebuffo]
#28566019 - 12/02/23 09:52 PM (5 months, 12 days ago) |
|
|
Thank you for the write up. Followed every link and learned a ton.
|
Tweeq
Tweeq of Nature


Registered: 06/07/18
Posts: 2,062
Loc: Netherlands
Last seen: 13 hours, 34 minutes
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: GuyOnaBuffalo]
#28566262 - 12/03/23 05:44 AM (5 months, 12 days ago) |
|
|
Read your guide today Beef! This is going to be of use to so many people. I think you did a great job wording what the shroomery is about and also condensing all that information into an easily navigatable document. An epic task!
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Tweeq]
#28566371 - 12/03/23 07:45 AM (5 months, 12 days ago) |
|
|
thank you tweeq.
guy on a buffalo, of course the colonization time on 1:4 is slower but its well worth it . 4 oz per every 2qt tub on first flush is standard.
|
GuyOnaBuffalo
I'm On A Buffalo!

Registered: 08/26/23
Posts: 86
Last seen: 1 month, 14 days
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28566460 - 12/03/23 08:58 AM (5 months, 12 days ago) |
|
|
Thank you for the expected ratio, I'll note it down and keep it as a goal.
|
Sentiklos
Evergreen old soul



Registered: 11/24/22
Posts: 54
Loc: Southeastern Europe
Last seen: 3 days, 8 hours
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: GuyOnaBuffalo]
#28567885 - 12/04/23 07:10 AM (5 months, 11 days ago) |
|
|
Awesome guide, many thanks ππ»
|
Buddy20916
Stranger
Registered: 11/23/23
Posts: 11
Last seen: 4 hours, 27 minutes
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28569059 - 12/04/23 10:10 PM (5 months, 10 days ago) |
|
|
I appreciate the insight and experience you shared!!! Learned a lot now to get to work!
Edited by Buddy20916 (12/04/23 10:11 PM)
|
dmoon224
Stranger
Registered: 12/05/23
Posts: 6
Last seen: 5 months, 3 days
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Buddy20916]
#28569265 - 12/05/23 05:14 AM (5 months, 10 days ago) |
|
|
Thank you sir! First time grower and your guide is very much appreciated.
Could you recommend vendors that sell fully prepared grain jars?
|
NFLProof
Sponge



Registered: 05/31/18
Posts: 907
Loc: In the ether
Last seen: 18 days, 16 hours
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: dmoon224] 1
#28570295 - 12/05/23 05:44 PM (5 months, 9 days ago) |
|
|
No. I donβt think anyone will advocate you buying prepped grains from anyone. That goes for pretty much anything in this hobby.
-------------------- Yeah, yeah.
|
San Pedro Girl
Shoebox Ninjaπ₯·




Registered: 07/17/12
Posts: 2,447
Loc: Fuck off pig!π·
Last seen: 1 month, 29 days
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: dmoon224]
#28571387 - 12/06/23 10:55 AM (5 months, 9 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
dmoon224 said: Thank you sir! First time grower and your guide is very much appreciated.
Could you recommend vendors that sell fully prepared grain jars?
Check the websites of the shroomeryβs trusted vendors.
|
Fidelus
Psilocybe Erectus


Registered: 10/16/23
Posts: 69
Loc: Altoreal
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: dmoon224]
#28572787 - 12/07/23 12:30 PM (5 months, 7 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
dmoon224 said: Thank you sir! First time grower and your guide is very much appreciated.
Could you recommend vendors that sell fully prepared grain jars?
I bought fully prepared brf jars from Midwest, and although they came through without contamination and did colonize and fruit, I would not do it again. When I cut open cakes I found voids in the mycelium which I think indicated poorly mixed rice flour and verm. Also, they really slowed down and in a few cases would not colonize the bottom of the jar. This could happen if the jars got a lot of vibration in shipping, and got packed down (?), maybeβ¦
Also, they used the tall jars, not the short wide jars, and those tall jars do not colonize as evenly or quickly.
It was my first grow so I was looking to pay for as much help as I could. It worked but not as well as if Iβd made my own jars, and it was here, on Shroomery, that I leaned the folly of the tall jars.
Take the advice of the experienced growers here and make your own BRF jars. There is lots of good advice here, and some demonstrations on YouTube. Its cheaper too.
As for inoculate, everyone here is going to counsel you to get agar and isolate clean spawn to inoculate with. Its good advice but also more work. I source liquid culture from myyco labs, who advertise here.
Many of Shroomeryβs experienced members will warn you of the dangers of LC, and those warnings are valid. My experience with Myyco was positive. I got what a paid for, on time and without contamination (how do I know that? I used the same syringe to inoculate 9 cakes PE and another 9 BM, got some surface trich on 2 bm after dunking and rolling, but nothing on the other 16 cakes, and I was able to fruit the two trich cakes by isolating them after cutting off the mold)
So my very new, very limited experience is make your own cakes, but its OK to purchase LC from Myyco to save that step.
Good luck!
-------------------- Why we growβ¦
Edited by Fidelus (12/07/23 12:32 PM)
|
dmoon224
Stranger
Registered: 12/05/23
Posts: 6
Last seen: 5 months, 3 days
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Fidelus]
#28573228 - 12/07/23 06:03 PM (5 months, 7 days ago) |
|
|
Appreciate the advice!
What are some of the major issues with using LC? From what I've read it seems to be the optimal choice over spore stringe?
|
San Pedro Girl
Shoebox Ninjaπ₯·




Registered: 07/17/12
Posts: 2,447
Loc: Fuck off pig!π·
Last seen: 1 month, 29 days
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: dmoon224]
#28573233 - 12/07/23 06:06 PM (5 months, 7 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
dmoon224 said: Appreciate the advice!
What are some of the major issues with using LC? From what I've read it seems to be the optimal choice over spore stringe?
The only disadvantage I can think of vs spore syringe is the comparative lack of genetic diversity.
|
MycoSnailCarl
Stranger

Registered: 11/22/23
Posts: 185
Last seen: 2 months, 2 days
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: dmoon224]
#28575710 - 12/09/23 11:13 AM (5 months, 6 days ago) |
|
|
LC gets a bad rap around here because it's hard to tell if it's contaminated or not, and generally has extra/worse vectors of contamination (e.g. the self-healing injection port, the SHIP). As someone who's new myself, I think getting LC from a trusted vendor is a decent way to start in this hobby, and in all likelihood is going to net you a very solid amount of fruits.
That being said, as I've just finished up my first grow, I'm going to start learning agar, and look forward to the peace of mind from using a method that you can generally be highly confident isn't contaminated.
Without knowing your situation, my recommendation would be to do your first grow using vendor LC, but save a little bit of each of the LC to propagate and play around with on agar. That way you should be able to forever save what are most likely pretty good genetics and still get a good first grow while you're learning agar.
|
Kinoko314
Stranger Danger


Registered: 12/16/22
Posts: 1,521
Loc: Colorado
Last seen: 4 months, 19 hours
|
Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: MycoSnailCarl] 3
#28575977 - 12/09/23 03:14 PM (5 months, 5 days ago) |
|
|
I've gotten some vendor LC that was very bacterial, and it led to stall-outs, even with PF Tek. At least one of the vendors said on their site that they check their syringes on antibiotic agar. Basically they only care to stop molds, and they pretend like bacteria just isn't a problem. I don't think that was the only one who does that either.
I have some trust issues when it comes to vendors, but it's the same whether you're getting spores or LC.
Ending rant.
|
c01h
Aspiring Psychonaut



Registered: 11/24/23
Posts: 67
Last seen: 27 days, 6 hours
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28582952 - 12/14/23 06:02 PM (5 months, 18 hours ago) |
|
|
--------------------
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: c01h] 3
#28585047 - 12/16/23 08:31 AM (4 months, 30 days ago) |
|
|
Be advised, the second episode of the HHG is now up and running as the second comment of the first HHG. Thanks everyone.
|
Blueberry Muffin
Stranger


Registered: 09/15/23
Posts: 604
Last seen: 22 hours, 28 minutes
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28585102 - 12/16/23 09:22 AM (4 months, 30 days ago) |
|
|
Simply legendary. I have no words
|
BrokenHeart
Stranger than most



Registered: 02/27/23
Posts: 139
Last seen: 1 month, 25 days
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 2
#28585107 - 12/16/23 09:24 AM (4 months, 30 days ago) |
|
|
seriously thank you for your labor of love.
After a night at the bar with Andre the Giant, Mitch Hedberg and Winston Churchill while walking slowly home I found a small thumb shaped thingy with a button. Instantly pressing and closely inspecting the odd device, I didn't see the vw campervan resembling vehicle roll up/teleport right next to me. No one visually recognizable, no words spoken, inside Shrimps Milkboy SmellyHobbit and Beef simply there doing their thing, exploring the universe, handing out towels. Wonder if they would notice if I hid in their galley a while?
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BrokenHeart]
#28585115 - 12/16/23 09:27 AM (4 months, 30 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
BrokenHeart said: seriously thank you for your labor of love.
After a night at the bar with Andre the Giant, Mitch Hedberg and Winston Churchill while walking slowly home I found a small thumb shaped thingy with a button. Instantly pressing and closely inspecting the odd device, I didn't see the vw campervan resembling vehicle roll up/teleport right next to me. No one visually recognizable, no words spoken, inside Shrimps Milkboy SmellyHobbit and Beef simply there doing their thing, exploring the universe, handing out towels. Wonder if they would notice if I hid in their galley a while?
Brother, stick out your thumb and we will pick you up!
|
Kinoko314
Stranger Danger


Registered: 12/16/22
Posts: 1,521
Loc: Colorado
Last seen: 4 months, 19 hours
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 1
#28585273 - 12/16/23 11:43 AM (4 months, 30 days ago) |
|
|
I knew about the ban lottery, though I haven't seen it for a while, but I didn't know there was a self ban feature. That's actually pretty cool.
|
c01h
Aspiring Psychonaut



Registered: 11/24/23
Posts: 67
Last seen: 27 days, 6 hours
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 1
#28585820 - 12/16/23 06:28 PM (4 months, 29 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
BeefSupremeJr said: Be advised, the second episode of the HHG is now up and running as the second comment of the first HHG. Thanks everyone.
thanks for pointing out the second episode! More valuable info
--------------------
|
dna24
Darth Randal



Registered: 04/19/22
Posts: 374
Loc: Savages
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28586894 - 12/17/23 01:58 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
|
|
you lost me after quoting that dumbass stype, this explains so much
|
San Pedro Girl
Shoebox Ninjaπ₯·




Registered: 07/17/12
Posts: 2,447
Loc: Fuck off pig!π·
Last seen: 1 month, 29 days
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: dna24]
#28586929 - 12/17/23 02:22 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
dna24 said: you lost me after quoting that dumbass stype, this explains so much
|
hellofresh
Strangler



Registered: 09/22/23
Posts: 283
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: dna24]
#28586944 - 12/17/23 02:32 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
dna24 said: you lost me after quoting that dumbass stype, this explains so much
What did stripe do to you?
-------------------- panic
|
RoscoeReturns
Crotchety chode man



Registered: 02/12/18
Posts: 1,763
Loc: State of Confusion
Last seen: 8 hours, 13 minutes
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: hellofresh] 3
#28586959 - 12/17/23 02:46 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
|
|
Show me on the doll where stipe touched you.
|
meta_mmxxii

Registered: 08/03/23
Posts: 766
Loc: PNW
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: dna24]
#28586965 - 12/17/23 02:50 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
dna24 said: you lost me after quoting that dumbass stype, this explains so much
And what, exactly, did it explain?
-------------------- Trusted Cultivators Teks Ultimate Tek Compendium The Hitchhikers Guide π
π΄ π° πΌ π² π» πΈ π½ πΆ π
π
π° πΏ FRENCHPRESS GANG
|
Stipe-n Cap


Registered: 08/04/12
Posts: 7,843
Loc: Canada
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: dna24] 8
#28586971 - 12/17/23 02:56 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
dna24 said: you lost me after quoting that dumbass stype, this explains so much
|
stubb
Dahg Rastubfari


Registered: 03/23/19
Posts: 1,382
Loc: Memory
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#28586982 - 12/17/23 03:05 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
|
|
|
meta_mmxxii

Registered: 08/03/23
Posts: 766
Loc: PNW
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: Stipe-n Cap] 1
#28586983 - 12/17/23 03:05 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
|
|
LMFAO Nicely done Stipe!
-------------------- Trusted Cultivators Teks Ultimate Tek Compendium The Hitchhikers Guide π
π΄ π° πΌ π² π» πΈ π½ πΆ π
π
π° πΏ FRENCHPRESS GANG
|
n4t
Stranger
Registered: 11/15/23
Posts: 52
Last seen: 1 day, 12 hours
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28587006 - 12/17/23 03:33 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
|
|
That's extremely helpful to me. Thank you!
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: meta_mmxxii] 1
#28587007 - 12/17/23 03:34 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
|
|
I've seen Stipe take a lot of heat over the years but he will never be accused of suffering fools.
Back to business. I'm thinking of adding another chapter: "all cubes are not created equal".
Would a bit of controversy be so bad?
|
stubb
Dahg Rastubfari


Registered: 03/23/19
Posts: 1,382
Loc: Memory
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 3
#28587042 - 12/17/23 04:31 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
|
|
Do it. Sure rebranding and bullshit marketing is a thing, but "cubes are cubes" is reductive and platitudinous. Makes breeding cubes seem like a dumb waste of time.
Like, my favorite porn is the kind that has people doing the sex.
|
HazMatt
Stranger
Registered: 12/17/23
Posts: 160
Loc: Not TODAY DEA!
Last seen: 1 month, 20 days
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: stubb] 2
#28587094 - 12/17/23 05:05 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
|
|
Hello! Reddit has led me here. This is so much better than Reddit. I have read through all of this twice now. It was very informative for a noob like myself. This thread has been way more useful and informative than the hours I've spent trying to figure out how Reddit works (never used it until I got into mycology) and hours of YouTube videos. You are not only insightful, but an excellent writer as well! I have done two grow in a bags with one failure. It's expensive too compared to just doing it myself and making substrate. I am going to use all of your techniques and read through it all again. Fantastic information and I look forward to getting down to business here! Thanks again.
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: HazMatt]
#28587125 - 12/17/23 05:24 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
HazMatt said: Hello! Reddit has led me here. This is so much better than Reddit. I have read through all of this twice now. It was very informative for a noob like myself. This thread has been way more useful and informative than the hours I've spent trying to figure out how Reddit works (never used it until I got into mycology) and hours of YouTube videos. You are not only insightful, but an excellent writer as well! I have done two grow in a bags with one failure. It's expensive too compared to just doing it myself and making substrate. I am going to use all of your techniques and read through it all again. Fantastic information and I look forward to getting down to business here! Thanks again.
Rest your weary bones. You're in the right place at last. Let us know how we can help you.
|
San Pedro Girl
Shoebox Ninjaπ₯·




Registered: 07/17/12
Posts: 2,447
Loc: Fuck off pig!π·
Last seen: 1 month, 29 days
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: Stipe-n Cap] 1
#28587313 - 12/17/23 07:46 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Stipe-n Cap said:
Quote:
dna24 said: you lost me after quoting that dumbass stype, this explains so much
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: San Pedro Girl] 2
#28587969 - 12/18/23 06:33 AM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
|
|
Hey hitchhikers, I gone and done a little blurb in chapter one about associated risks of psychs and schizophrenia. Please check it out. I think its important to understand that psychs are not for everyone and to be aware of the risks involved regarding severe mental illness.
Okay have a great day.
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 2
#28588781 - 12/18/23 06:15 PM (4 months, 27 days ago) |
|
|
Okay i've added a whole chapter detailing my experience and opinion regarding the age old "a cube is a cube" arguement as well as some information for new growers to make decisions in terms of what to grow.
Thanks everyone.
|
RoscoeReturns
Crotchety chode man



Registered: 02/12/18
Posts: 1,763
Loc: State of Confusion
Last seen: 8 hours, 13 minutes
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28588845 - 12/18/23 06:51 PM (4 months, 27 days ago) |
|
|
Youβre a cube!
|
BeefSupremeJr
Detritivore



Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 7,605
Loc: 29.9792Β° N, 31.1342Β° E
Last seen: 3 seconds
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: RoscoeReturns]
#28588923 - 12/18/23 07:33 PM (4 months, 27 days ago) |
|
|
no u
|
Nichrome
Shakin' on Shakedown Street


Registered: 12/17/18
Posts: 6,920
Loc: Zone 5
Last seen: 1 hour, 42 minutes
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 3
#28589076 - 12/18/23 09:14 PM (4 months, 27 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
BeefSupremeJr said:
Quote:
BrokenHeart said: seriously thank you for your labor of love.
After a night at the bar with Andre the Giant, Mitch Hedberg and Winston Churchill while walking slowly home I found a small thumb shaped thingy with a button. Instantly pressing and closely inspecting the odd device, I didn't see the vw campervan resembling vehicle roll up/teleport right next to me. No one visually recognizable, no words spoken, inside Shrimps Milkboy SmellyHobbit and Beef simply there doing their thing, exploring the universe, handing out towels. Wonder if they would notice if I hid in their galley a while?
Brother, stick out your thumb and we will pick you up!
--------------------
To understand someone you must look up to them.
|
Nichrome
Shakin' on Shakedown Street


Registered: 12/17/18
Posts: 6,920
Loc: Zone 5
Last seen: 1 hour, 42 minutes
|
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 3
#28589082 - 12/18/23 09:16 PM (4 months, 27 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
BeefSupremeJr said: I've seen Stipe take a lot of heat over the years but he will never be accused of suffering fools.
Back to business. I'm thinking of adding another chapter: "all cubes are not created equal".
Would a bit of controversy be so bad?
All cubes are different from each other. Just like people.
--------------------
To understand someone you must look up to them.
|
|