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Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Way]
    #28527392 - 11/03/23 02:31 AM (6 months, 11 days ago)

Beef, I was wondering if some info on spawn to coir ratio would be a nice addition. As a beginner who has not spawned yet, I'm looking forward to spawning but inevitably start wondering about the ratio to use and what are the tradeoffs in either end. I believe I've read that amount of yield is correlated most with the amount of spawn and that more spawn means faster colonization, more yield, less time for some contam to outrun the myc but if there's not enough coir then more babysitting is needed humidity wise? I believe I've read something about bigger fruits, less flushes or smaller fruits more flushes... some guidance is appreciated :smile:

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Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Blueberry Muffin] * 1
    #28527570 - 11/03/23 07:53 AM (6 months, 11 days ago)

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Beef, I was wondering if some info on spawn to coir ratio would be a nice addition. As a beginner who has not spawned yet, I'm looking forward to spawning but inevitably start wondering about the ratio to use and what are the tradeoffs in either end. I believe I've read that amount of yield is correlated most with the amount of spawn and that more spawn means faster colonization, more yield, less time for some contam to outrun the myc but if there's not enough coir then more babysitting is needed humidity wise? I believe I've read something about bigger fruits, less flushes or smaller fruits more flushes... some guidance is appreciated :smile:




you bet. 

i might not get a chance to add it before you spawn
so heres my method and im
quite fond of it:

for a 16qt tub:

I take two qts of spawn and mix with 8qts of coir.  level it and compress it hard with a tile float.  now i pseudo case it with two more qts (as per stipe & cap) and i level and compress that too. 

this gives a lot more available water to pull from so your flushes will be rich and you should get at least a couple depending on the var.

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Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
    #28527651 - 11/03/23 09:36 AM (6 months, 11 days ago)

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theodor said:
Beef, I was wondering if some info on spawn to coir ratio would be a nice addition. As a beginner who has not spawned yet, I'm looking forward to spawning but inevitably start wondering about the ratio to use and what are the tradeoffs in either end. I believe I've read that amount of yield is correlated most with the amount of spawn and that more spawn means faster colonization, more yield, less time for some contam to outrun the myc but if there's not enough coir then more babysitting is needed humidity wise? I believe I've read something about bigger fruits, less flushes or smaller fruits more flushes... some guidance is appreciated :smile:




you bet. 

i might not get a chance to add it before you spawn
so heres my method and im
quite fond of it:

for a 16qt tub:

I take two qts of spawn and mix with 8qts of coir.  level it and compress it hard with a tile float.  now i pseudo case it with two more qts (as per stipe & cap) and i level and compress that too. 

this gives a lot more available water to pull from so your flushes will be rich and you should get at least a couple depending on the var.




Thanks! Had to search to confirm what I thought is pseudocasing. Basically mix spawn and coir and then add plain coir on top. I'm guessing compressing will give a more even flush at the cost of colonization time?

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Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Blueberry Muffin] * 1
    #28527657 - 11/03/23 09:41 AM (6 months, 11 days ago)

frankly I don't think it makes any difference in terms of colonization time. If it does the differences negligible.  yes it makes the flush better and more consistent.  it also csn help prevent pe blobs.  its the only way i spawn anything these days.

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Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
    #28527797 - 11/03/23 11:18 AM (6 months, 11 days ago)

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Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: tripdawg420] * 1
    #28532172 - 11/06/23 07:09 PM (6 months, 7 days ago)

Thank you for consolidating so much knowledge into a fluid, easy to digest form. I couldn't have read this at a better time!

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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
    #28532772 - 11/07/23 10:37 AM (6 months, 7 days ago)

Incredible resource for a newbie like me.

I especially wanted to thank you for the "more money than time" advice - I know it pained you to write it.  But I think a lot of people actually fall into that category if they come to this hobby in mid-life.  There are just too many prior commitments - and apart from time saved in sterilizing, etc, there is time saved in not having failed grow attempts.

And costs are relative.  Aside from a professional laminar flow hood - everything in this hobby is relatively inexpensive.  Less than 2 tickets to a popular concert, or one day of skiing with your kids will get you set up like with a 4-shelf grow tent, humidity and heat automation, some ready to go spawn jars and bulk bags.  (I used midwestgrowkits and the products are high quality).  Initial stock, plus a commercially prepared liquid culture kit to extend you stock - I'm trying both APE MSS in an AIO bag and Tidal Wave LC in spawn bag are less than a night out with the wife at a nice restaurant.

Thanks again.

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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: PrecSci] * 1
    #28532854 - 11/07/23 11:52 AM (6 months, 7 days ago)

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Incredible resource for a newbie like me.

I especially wanted to thank you for the "more money than time" advice - I know it pained you to write it.  But I think a lot of people actually fall into that category if they come to this hobby in mid-life.  There are just too many prior commitments - and apart from time saved in sterilizing, etc, there is time saved in not having failed grow attempts.

And costs are relative.  Aside from a professional laminar flow hood - everything in this hobby is relatively inexpensive.  Less than 2 tickets to a popular concert, or one day of skiing with your kids will get you set up like with a 4-shelf grow tent, humidity and heat automation, some ready to go spawn jars and bulk bags.  (I used midwestgrowkits and the products are high quality).  Initial stock, plus a commercially prepared liquid culture kit to extend you stock - I'm trying both APE MSS in an AIO bag and Tidal Wave LC in spawn bag are less than a night out with the wife at a nice restaurant.

Thanks again.




totally. and i totally understand which is why i included it. i can easily spend that kind of cash in a single weekend without batting an eyelash. its more about the pride we feel for inventing and building our own systems and we really just like it when other people utilize said systems but alas, my initiative with this writeup was to spread the medicine--not pride.  my vanity is but a peripherpal motive. 

good luck. dont panic and be sure to share your results/failures.

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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr] * 3
    #28533944 - 11/08/23 08:25 AM (6 months, 6 days ago)

Hey my bbs. Good morning and I love you all. 
Listen I sat down and added the two paragraphs to the BULK section as requested.

Big ass paragraph about spawn ratio's and another big ass paragraph talking about subsequent flushing. 

My editor (smelly hobbit) is going to kill me.  You're welcome.

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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr] * 1
    #28535665 - 11/09/23 12:40 PM (6 months, 4 days ago)

Thank you so much for making this post I've been floating around shroomery picking up new along with outdated information. It really means alot to me and everyone here that we have a place to be humbled and learn from years of trial and error. I was wondering what you think the absolute best source for learning PC was? I'm a bit disorganized and if you mentioned it I apologize I didnt catch it with the other amazing tons of things to learn.


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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: Milehighshroomer] * 1
    #28535833 - 11/09/23 02:55 PM (6 months, 4 days ago)

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Thank you so much for making this post I've been floating around shroomery picking up new along with outdated information. It really means alot to me and everyone here that we have a place to be humbled and learn from years of trial and error. I was wondering what you think the absolute best source for learning PC was? I'm a bit disorganized and if you mentioned it I apologize I didnt catch it with the other amazing tons of things to learn.




pc? you mean.. pressure cooking?

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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
    #28535874 - 11/09/23 03:21 PM (6 months, 4 days ago)

I do mean pressure cooking. I could've used that acronym wrong. I'm still very very new.


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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: Milehighshroomer] * 5
    #28535907 - 11/09/23 03:42 PM (6 months, 4 days ago)

I see! I learned from my own mother canning preserves etc.  Ball ℒ️  has a whole book about it you get off the zon, but honestly, theres just not a lot to it.  A presto will come with a comprehensive Manual.  I feel you have exposed an inconsistency in the hitchhikers guide here.  pressure cooking is so rudimentary  that i guess i assumed it wasnt neccesary to mention.  I may need to consult my editor here and add a blurb.

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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: Milehighshroomer] * 3
    #28535912 - 11/09/23 03:47 PM (6 months, 4 days ago)

Hey Sir Beef this link is where I relearned all things PC.
BOD's Easy AF how to use your pressure cooker for mycology TEK is a great tek on the subject of PCs. It is a bit over the recommended 5 year mark in age, but I think all of the info holds true today.


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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: ReverendMyc] * 2
    #28535921 - 11/09/23 03:53 PM (6 months, 4 days ago)

:whathesaid:

Also where I learned the basics of a PC. A PC is a confusing, seemingly extremely dangerous piece of equipment to the uninformed.


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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
    #28535933 - 11/09/23 04:07 PM (6 months, 4 days ago)

Thank you for the follow up I really do appreciate you taking time out of your day to answer my question. I will be ordering that exact pressure cooker. I'll read the manual you mentioned as well. Sorry to ask something so basic hearing that. Your hitch hikers guide has basically been my word for word manual how to do things correctly is why that came to mind. Keep up the absolutely killer work. I wouldn't have gotten this knowledge in absolutely years without resources like all of you. I'm still mind blown a place like this exists frankly.


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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: Milehighshroomer]
    #28535941 - 11/09/23 04:12 PM (6 months, 4 days ago)

dude don’t apologize for asking a β€œbasic” question! you helped highlight an area where this guide could be more thorough. the PC was hella confusing for me at first too & i think it’s a learning curve a lot of cultivators forget about once they start really getting into the weeds of mush cult


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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr] * 2
    #28535945 - 11/09/23 04:19 PM (6 months, 4 days ago)

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I see! I learned from my own mother canning preserves etc.  Ball ℒ️  has a whole book about it you get off the zon, but honestly, theres just not a lot to it.  A presto will come with a comprehensive Manual.  I feel you have exposed an inconsistency in the hitchhikers guide here.  pressure cooking is so rudimentary  that i guess i assumed it wasnt neccesary to mention.  I may need to consult my editor here and add a blurb.




There's specifics to "canning" anything, including grain jars. I agree that the manual is the best place to start, perhaps what's needed in a thread like this is just a basic "canning recipe" for sterilized grain...


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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: B Traven] * 1
    #28536351 - 11/09/23 10:11 PM (6 months, 4 days ago)

I already forgot how intimidating canning was.  Some things I learned that I'm still not 100% confident in and some are my assumptions:

Lids are unscrewed to let the air out and prevent exploding.
PC needs to be vented or in other words air needs to come out because steam is what does the sterilizing and the pressure gauge won't read right (and in my experience rise unnaturally rapidly).
The PC should cool down and drop in pressure without intervention. I tried letting the steam out faster, I think that is the reason agar spilled out of the media bottles my first time (might not be as important for grain?).
The jars should not touch the walls of the pc because they might break? A little room should be left between jars or walls for steam to access?
Water can be up to 50% the height of the jars. If your PC has a jiggler, consider taping a few cents on top of it to prevent noise and loss of moisture at 15 psi (I just used foil to attach some cents on top of the jiggler)

Well.. I think thats mostly what I know. Some of it is prob wrong or some reasons for doing stuff might be wrong.

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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: Blueberry Muffin] * 2
    #28536391 - 11/09/23 10:49 PM (6 months, 4 days ago)

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theodor said:
I already forgot how intimidating canning was.  Some things I learned that I'm still not 100% confident in and some are my assumptions:

Lids are unscrewed to let the air out and prevent exploding.
PC needs to be vented or in other words air needs to come out because steam is what does the sterilizing and the pressure gauge won't read right (and in my experience rise unnaturally rapidly).
The PC should cool down and drop in pressure without intervention. I tried letting the steam out faster, I think that is the reason agar spilled out of the media bottles my first time (might not be as important for grain?).
The jars should not touch the walls of the pc because they might break? A little room should be left between jars or walls for steam to access?
Water can be up to 50% the height of the jars. If your PC has a jiggler, consider taping a few cents on top of it to prevent noise and loss of moisture at 15 psi (I just used foil to attach some cents on top of the jiggler)

Well.. I think thats mostly what I know. Some of it is prob wrong or some reasons for doing stuff might be wrong.




Not a full response. A few notes though:
-if the jar has air exchange (a hole with a filter in the lid) and is a proper plastic lid, screw it down.
-I don’t fill up water past the bottom of my jars, but also don’t run your PC dry. I usually add at least one layer of jar rings.
-yes, vent. 10-20 minutes.
-the walls and jars etc will probably touch a bit. You can certainly prevent this with jar lids and whatnot if needed. I’ve never needed to. Bags are more prone to melting off the sides.
-nothing is done fast, ever. Slow wins with a PC. There is an egg between you and your accelerator :wink:.

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