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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: 2fic] 1
#28609539 - 01/04/24 02:59 PM (4 months, 10 days ago) |
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2fic said: just signed up, and this is the first post I've read. I've been doing a deep dive on cultivation this past week, and this has cleared up a ton of questions I had. Thank you so much!
toufic
I WISH I'd started here! Instead I wasted months on Reddit. Part of my journey I suppose.
Anyhow, just want to voice my appreciation for this thread. The body of work represented by Part 1 is excellent and very well curated. Part 2 is like the mind-bending "origin story".
Well done Mr. Beef sir!
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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: Tiamo]
#28609663 - 01/04/24 04:34 PM (4 months, 10 days ago) |
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Tiamo said: The myco-quart is a US quart (946 mL) jar of grain spawn filled to two thirds, as I understand it. That makes it 631 mL of grain spawn.
I finally looked at the jar to figure out where my rule of thumb lands, and it does indeed come out to right around 600 mL or so. And as I pondered this, I realized why I settled on a bit of cursive script as my metric: it gives a perfect visual to the acceptable range I'm going for. Both the oz and mL marks on my Ball jars are harder to read, but more crucially, the cursive "Ball" actually gives higher resolution at the jar-level I'm interested in.
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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 3
#28612482 - 01/07/24 12:51 AM (4 months, 8 days ago) |
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I haven't been online alot due to attention span and working hard. But I wanted to thank you for this post I've been very successful due to this guide and have now grown multiple mono tubs. I even have a post about this. Thank you again for teaching me everything I know.
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Beef all the index hyperlinks lead to chapter 2
-------------------- Intro to Shroomery The Sexy TEKs™ IF I HAVE SEEN FURTHER IT IS BY STANDING UPON THE SHOULDERS OF GIANTS, BITCH. hey fuck you dont look at me
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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 1
#28620974 - 01/14/24 12:41 PM (4 months, 23 hours ago) |
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Wow! Just wow! This is absolutely amazing! Thank you Mr. Beef!
I have been lurking on Shroomery for ~20+ years and cultivating consistently just as long. I had to finally make an account just so that I could say THANK YOU BEEF!!! This is absolute perfection! Also, H2G2 is arguably one of the best pieces of literature ever written =)
I was coming back as I sometimes do just to see if anything new had been added to the collective accepted standards/methods etc. and again, wow!
I don't know how I missed the memo, but I will never use polyfill again for my tubs! I'm also now REALLY interested into diving into agar now thanks to this guide, as I've only been using my own prints and syringes for over a decade (with mostly great success).
I only use simmered and rinsed cracked-corn + verm for jars and spawn into monos w coir+verm. Why? I don't know. It's worked well for me for many years. Why fix what ain't broken? Had issues with contam very early on with BRF cakes (due to me being a complete noob/idiot), but have simplified my process and have also passed on the joy of cultivation to many others. I only wish that this guide was around back then...
(Obligatory "You youngins have no idea how good you have it!")
I'm confident that the experience and knowledge contributed from so many community members that was poured into this guide will be appreciated for years to come. Everyone new and old can get something out of this!
So, congratulations and THANK YOU for this most excellent contribution!
Ford would be proud
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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: i81u812] 1
#28621131 - 01/14/24 02:29 PM (4 months, 21 hours ago) |
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Well bless you for that and mush luck. and yes I am aware of the hyperlink issue but Hysteria has been too busy to fix it.
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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28621914 - 01/15/24 09:06 AM (4 months, 3 hours ago) |
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I wasn't aware of the hyperlink issue. They worked the last time I used them and they seem to be working now. Did they stop working during an edit and have since been fixed, or am I missing something?
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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 2
#28621943 - 01/15/24 09:41 AM (4 months, 2 hours ago) |
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So, I just had some of the fine folks on discord test with me and it looks like it's only broken with iPhones. I will look into this with Ythan to see if something can be done, but in case it can't and it's just an apple thing, tell people to jump on the post with something other than an iPhone if they can for now, and the links will work.
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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: Hysteria]
#28622141 - 01/15/24 12:46 PM (3 months, 30 days ago) |
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oh that's really weird. hahah. well thanks for looking into it for me. I hate bothering u i know youre busy. l
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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28622350 - 01/15/24 04:00 PM (3 months, 30 days ago) |
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Please bother me. I've learned so much from you and others it would be selfish not to give back, however small my contribution may be.
I posted it on the Features and Feedback thread that we originally had on this to see if Ythan has any input on it. Hopefully he answers. My gut feeling, though, is like meta said on discord, we will probably have to wait until Apple fixes it with an iOS update. I'm pretty sure it's just iOS mobile that is affected. If anyone has an iPad or Macbook please try the index links and confirm they work.
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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: Hysteria] 2
#28623796 - 01/16/24 05:52 PM (3 months, 29 days ago) |
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Regarding index links: tried with multiple Macbooks and iPads and they all worked. Worked also with iPhone 14 and 13.
Currently anchors look like this:
"<a href="#spawn">SPAWN</a>"
To resolve you could change to:
"<a href="/forums/showflat.php/Number/28501530/#spawn">SPAWN</a>"
This would result in another request and page load, but should work in all versions of Safari (as it's a bit more finicky about anchor tags).
YMMV
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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 3
#28628174 - 01/20/24 06:43 AM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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Hey Beef just wanted to add to the general enthusiasm knocking about regarding your post.
I first did PF tek about 25 years ago! Im in the UK and in the early days of the internet I found a chap in Ohio who was selling spore syringes, and coached me in the basics. Did it for a few months with moderate success and then let it drop, till I was chatting with some old friends of mine about a year or so ago, and remembered doing it, so thought I would try again. Things have certainly moved on since the last years of the 90s'. There's a wealth of information on the web on the subject, and one or two of the youtube offerings ARE really helpful - but your guide blows em away. Its succint, no nonsense and clear.
I'd graduated through the last year from PF TEK, through shoeboxes, and thanks to your inspiration Ive today loaded up two EZ dial monotubs to see how they go. Took extra care to get them clean, flat tidy etc. Great to not be bothering with bloody liners.
As with some other posters, I found the coir tek hydration ratio of 4.6 didnt work for me, way too wet for my coir - two bricks of coir @ about 1100 grams required 8 cups verm to get to Field capacity. So I ended up with CVG. (without the gypsum)
But no coir is created equal right.
I spawned the tubs at 3:1 - diont have the balls to go to 4:1 as per your recommendation just yet....
As with other posters, I would love it if you could get something written up on second flush. I have the devil of a problem with this, and I think its round judging rehydration. Dont really know what is best way to approach this? Heavy misting? Dunking? Taking the tubs to the bath with you......?
Keep it up Beef, great work.
PS - image of grow tent attached, two sorry looking shoeboxes on second flush on top shelf, new leaf ezy dial tubs as per your instructions on middle....
Edited by Adasadas (01/20/24 07:23 AM)
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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 1
#28628283 - 01/20/24 08:51 AM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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This post is absolutely incredible. After consuming massive amounts of old threads and posts from many incredible community members... and then finding this post, I had to create an account just to say thank you for consolidating this info into a great singular spot. You are a scholar and a gentleman. Thank you!
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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: Adasadas]
#28628358 - 01/20/24 09:55 AM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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Adasadas said: Hey Beef just wanted to add to the general enthusiasm knocking about regarding your post.
I first did PF tek about 25 years ago! Im in the UK and in the early days of the internet I found a chap in Ohio who was selling spore syringes, and coached me in the basics. Did it for a few months with moderate success and then let it drop, till I was chatting with some old friends of mine about a year or so ago, and remembered doing it, so thought I would try again. Things have certainly moved on since the last years of the 90s'. There's a wealth of information on the web on the subject, and one or two of the youtube offerings ARE really helpful - but your guide blows em away. Its succint, no nonsense and clear.
I'd graduated through the last year from PF TEK, through shoeboxes, and thanks to your inspiration Ive today loaded up two EZ dial monotubs to see how they go. Took extra care to get them clean, flat tidy etc. Great to not be bothering with bloody liners.
As with some other posters, I found the coir tek hydration ratio of 4.6 didnt work for me, way too wet for my coir - two bricks of coir @ about 1100 grams required 8 cups verm to get to Field capacity. So I ended up with CVG. (without the gypsum)
But no coir is created equal right.
I spawned the tubs at 3:1 - diont have the balls to go to 4:1 as per your recommendation just yet....
As with other posters, I would love it if you could get something written up on second flush. I have the devil of a problem with this, and I think its round judging rehydration. Dont really know what is best way to approach this? Heavy misting? Dunking? Taking the tubs to the bath with you......?
Keep it up Beef, great work.
PS - image of grow tent attached, two sorry looking shoeboxes on second flush on top shelf, new leaf ezy dial tubs as per your instructions on middle....


Just my .02 on some matters:
-It's worthwhile to get your particular coir ratio dialed in to how you like it. I found vermiculite to be a crutch that was ultimately more trouble and expense than it was worth. Also, not to get all soap-boxy, but it's a mined clay that goes through a massively energy-intensive process to transform it. And it's also not a good thing to breathe in. So I try to avoid it for any applications where it's not necessary.
-Yeah, surface/environmental conditions can play a role in making fruits come in at different times. But so can bacterial contamination, and, most importantly, genetics. A multispore culture (i.e., one that didn't originate from a single clone) should be expected to have different compatible groups of mycelium in the mix, which will probably pin at different times. I personally don't care that much about getting large single flushes and haven't selected for it, so even some of my clone lines are just kind of continuous fruiters.
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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: B Traven] 1
#28628394 - 01/20/24 10:36 AM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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Yup - get it on the coir. Previously Ive been using cvg recipes as promulgated by PGT and the like on youtube which have worked just fine - but since reading Beefs post and the outdated teks thread it seems you dont need gypsum, nor coffee, nor verm. Which is great news.
Nor liners…
Im in heaven, life just got a darn sight simpler…
So i just have to work out what water ratio my particular coir requires - I used the verm to bring it back to FC from the soggy mess that a 4.6 multiple took it to…..
And if anyone can point me to a thread on a reliable up to date tek for rehydrating after first flush
Have a good night, toodle pip….
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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: B Traven]
#28628571 - 01/20/24 01:20 PM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
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B Traven said:
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Adasadas said: Hey Beef just wanted to add to the general enthusiasm knocking about regarding your post.
I first did PF tek about 25 years ago! Im in the UK and in the early days of the internet I found a chap in Ohio who was selling spore syringes, and coached me in the basics. Did it for a few months with moderate success and then let it drop, till I was chatting with some old friends of mine about a year or so ago, and remembered doing it, so thought I would try again. Things have certainly moved on since the last years of the 90s'. There's a wealth of information on the web on the subject, and one or two of the youtube offerings ARE really helpful - but your guide blows em away. Its succint, no nonsense and clear.
I'd graduated through the last year from PF TEK, through shoeboxes, and thanks to your inspiration Ive today loaded up two EZ dial monotubs to see how they go. Took extra care to get them clean, flat tidy etc. Great to not be bothering with bloody liners.
As with some other posters, I found the coir tek hydration ratio of 4.6 didnt work for me, way too wet for my coir - two bricks of coir @ about 1100 grams required 8 cups verm to get to Field capacity. So I ended up with CVG. (without the gypsum)
But no coir is created equal right.
I spawned the tubs at 3:1 - diont have the balls to go to 4:1 as per your recommendation just yet....
As with other posters, I would love it if you could get something written up on second flush. I have the devil of a problem with this, and I think its round judging rehydration. Dont really know what is best way to approach this? Heavy misting? Dunking? Taking the tubs to the bath with you......?
Keep it up Beef, great work.
PS - image of grow tent attached, two sorry looking shoeboxes on second flush on top shelf, new leaf ezy dial tubs as per your instructions on middle....


Just my .02 on some matters:
-It's worthwhile to get your particular coir ratio dialed in to how you like it. I found vermiculite to be a crutch that was ultimately more trouble and expense than it was worth. Also, not to get all soap-boxy, but it's a mined clay that goes through a massively energy-intensive process to transform it. And it's also not a good thing to breathe in. So I try to avoid it for any applications where it's not necessary.
-Yeah, surface/environmental conditions can play a role in making fruits come in at different times. But so can bacterial contamination, and, most importantly, genetics. A multispore culture (i.e., one that didn't originate from a single clone) should be expected to have different compatible groups of mycelium in the mix, which will probably pin at different times. I personally don't care that much about getting large single flushes and haven't selected for it, so even some of my clone lines are just kind of continuous fruiters.
Hey stranger I'm also UK. Any tips for grain and coir supplier? I know they are online but wondered what you use. Tia.
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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: stone14]
#28628816 - 01/20/24 04:33 PM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
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Hello mate.
Im afraid no great tips.
I got rye from an online store
https://www.buywholefoodsonline.co.uk
Coir from ebay….
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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: Adasadas] 1
#28629146 - 01/20/24 08:10 PM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
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Adasadas said: Yup - get it on the coir. Previously Ive been using cvg recipes as promulgated by PGT and the like on youtube which have worked just fine - but since reading Beefs post and the outdated teks thread it seems you dont need gypsum, nor coffee, nor verm. Which is great news.
Nor liners…
Im in heaven, life just got a darn sight simpler…
So i just have to work out what water ratio my particular coir requires - I used the verm to bring it back to FC from the soggy mess that a 4.6 multiple took it to…..
And if anyone can point me to a thread on a reliable up to date tek for rehydrating after first flush
Have a good night, toodle pip….
I used to put my coir in a colander and squeeze it to drain out the excess water. Then I'd also have to drain out excess water as it condensed in my tubs. It was a total pain, and the extra wet conditions also encouraged any bacteria that happened to be lurking in my spawn. Finally just went to the slightly dry side. Much easier to add a little water after the fact than it is to remove it. Sometimes if I hit a lot of dry spots, I'll just mix it all up and leave it sealed in the bucket overnight. That's often enough to redistribute the moisture.
I kind of devolved to shoeboxes some time ago, and now I'm pretty much stuck in that groove. So yeah, someone else could give proper advice on rehydrating larger substrates. But I think a lot of the trend now is to use more coir and then substantially compress substrates to achieve an appropriate height/thickness. This naturally means that there's more water in the overal mix. In the case of my coir-on-the drier-side mixed into shoeboxes, that extra water plus a light misting after each pick is enough to sustain however many flushes the culture is able to pump out.
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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: B Traven] 1
#28629353 - 01/21/24 01:29 AM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
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Cheers Traven, noted...
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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: Adasadas]
#28629358 - 01/21/24 01:40 AM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
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Incidentally - on the shoeboxes - my journey this last year was started on PF tek in SFC, now long since abandoned but good for getting started - and then to shoeboxes as they seemed so easy - and they are.
But this EZY Dial Mono Tub linked in Beefs thread here seems a good compromise, it doesnt have a lot of fart arsing about with tape and so on, only a few holes to drill - Ive opted for 25 litre tubs, which is I fairly equivalent on quarts, so not too big - be interested to see how they handle the FAE and humidity. Straight to fruiting conditions too - in a nutshell, looking for the 'do as little as possible' tek...
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