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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: xVadisx]
    #28536545 - 11/10/23 03:11 AM (6 months, 4 days ago)

Would a metal lid with a filter work just as well that you know of? I'm trying my hardest to be safe.


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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: Milehighshroomer] * 1
    #28536589 - 11/10/23 05:19 AM (6 months, 4 days ago)

metal jar lids work. you can use one piece metal or two piece taped together with micropore or something


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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: hazyhorse] * 4
    #28536609 - 11/10/23 06:18 AM (6 months, 4 days ago)

I've had no issue with plastic storage lids or jars touching the sides of the PC, at least not for the top layer of 3 in a 23 quart presto. (I do cover my lids with foil.) I mean, I try to avoid it, but touching does happen. Never experienced catastrophe as a result. Keep in mind that aluminum conducts heat very well, and the entire system comes up to full heat/pressure at the same time. There's not really a "hot surface" you have to worry about. It might be different on the bottom of the vessel, near the heating element, but the trivet keeps us away from that spot and the boiling water distributes the heat.

I use crushed beer cans to raise up the trivet on my 23 quart Presto. The kinds with stickers for labels, so once they peel off you just have pure unpainted aluminum. I used to use old jar rings, but they rust and make a huge mess. I raise the trivet to the point where I can still fit that top layer of 3 jars, but it's a snug fit. Then I fill with enough water to cover the base of the trivet. I've had less-than-ideal outcomes when covering the actual grain in the jars with water (porridge in the bottom half of my jars), so I try to avoid doing that. Like a million other things, I know it CAN work fine, but it's just something I don't want to worry about dialing in.

I leave my jar lids loose, just tight enough to pick up by the lid. I'm not gonna switch up just because cranking them down should be OK. Fact is, I've got a rhythm to my process that I don't want to mess with. Same goes for the way I simmer and "dry" my grain. Or for that matter, my choice/source of grains. But then, regardless of whether loose lids serve any purpose during the sterilization process, my main reason for doing it is so that I only have to unscrew them like half a turn when getting them ready for transfers. I can easily do that in my SAB without creating too much turbulence or knocking things over-don't even have to touch the bottom of the jar to do it. I don't want to deal with screwed-down, cooled-down jars in that moment.

Yeah, when you cook with an Instant Pot the recipes always specify manual pressure release or natural pressure release. Some stuff only runs for "0" minutes, meaning the unit just gets brought up to pressure and then all of the cooking is basically being done during cool-down.

Manually releasing the pressure is definitely reducing the sterilization time, though it might not matter much if the runtime is long enough. I'd also be leary of creating that air flow, even though it might not really matter. But turning off the heat and letting the PC sit overnight just seems like the path of least resistance. That way, you also know that your jars aren't too hot to work with...

I guess that's part of the problem with PC'ing instructions: there really are a lot of variables to take into consideration, and they all impact the final outcome. The only thing we can state with relative certainty is the time needed at "X" heat and pressure pressure to sterilize grains. The feng shui of the rest of it gets pretty squishy. But those of us who have been at it for a while know exactly what to do with our specific stoves, cookers, grains, etc., so it feels like there's nothing to it.


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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: B Traven] * 3
    #28536690 - 11/10/23 07:34 AM (6 months, 4 days ago)

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B Traven said:
I've had no issue with plastic storage lids or jars touching the sides of the PC, at least not for the top layer of 3 in a 23 quart presto. (I do cover my lids with foil.) I mean, I try to avoid it, but touching does happen. Never experienced catastrophe as a result. Keep in mind that aluminum conducts heat very well, and the entire system comes up to full heat/pressure at the same time. There's not really a "hot surface" you have to worry about. It might be different on the bottom of the vessel, near the heating element, but the trivet keeps us away from that spot and the boiling water distributes the heat.

I use crushed beer cans to raise up the trivet on my 23 quart Presto. The kinds with stickers for labels, so once they peel off you just have pure unpainted aluminum. I used to use old jar rings, but they rust and make a huge mess. I raise the trivet to the point where I can still fit that top layer of 3 jars, but it's a snug fit. Then I fill with enough water to cover the base of the trivet. I've had less-than-ideal outcomes when covering the actual grain in the jars with water (porridge in the bottom half of my jars), so I try to avoid doing that. Like a million other things, I know it CAN work fine, but it's just something I don't want to worry about dialing in.

I leave my jar lids loose, just tight enough to pick up by the lid. I'm not gonna switch up just because cranking them down should be OK. Fact is, I've got a rhythm to my process that I don't want to mess with. Same goes for the way I simmer and "dry" my grain. Or for that matter, my choice/source of grains. But then, regardless of whether loose lids serve any purpose during the sterilization process, my main reason for doing it is so that I only have to unscrew them like half a turn when getting them ready for transfers. I can easily do that in my SAB without creating too much turbulence or knocking things over-don't even have to touch the bottom of the jar to do it. I don't want to deal with screwed-down, cooled-down jars in that moment.

Yeah, when you cook with an Instant Pot the recipes always specify manual pressure release or natural pressure release. Some stuff only runs for "0" minutes, meaning the unit just gets brought up to pressure and then all of the cooking is basically being done during cool-down.

Manually releasing the pressure is definitely reducing the sterilization time, though it might not matter much if the runtime is long enough. I'd also be leary of creating that air flow, even though it might not really matter. But turning off the heat and letting the PC sit overnight just seems like the path of least resistance. That way, you also know that your jars aren't too hot to work with...

I guess that's part of the problem with PC'ing instructions: there really are a lot of variables to take into consideration, and they all impact the final outcome. The only thing we can state with relative certainty is the time needed at "X" heat and pressure pressure to sterilize grains. The feng shui of the rest of it gets pretty squishy. But those of us who have been at it for a while know exactly what to do with our specific stoves, cookers, grains, etc., so it feels like there's nothing to it.




Well said, as usual sir.  I use jar rings to raise my trivet when doing grain but I've used little half pint jars when doing agar.  Theres a certain amount of intuition that takes place once you understand the general idea.  I know I need to add a paragraph or two about PC'ing to the guide and I honestly am having a hard time knowing where to start.

Funny.  Someone whos never grown a single shroom or ever ran a PC exposed a gap in my writeup.  Perspective is a funny thing, yea?

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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr] * 3
    #28536770 - 11/10/23 08:26 AM (6 months, 4 days ago)

Bad news. I've reached the length limit on post-size. I wrote a whole thing on pressure cooking and then lost it when i went to post. I hit the back button and it was gone. Bummer. So all i could do was add a little paragraph and include bods PC writeup.  Didn't even get to include my blurb about the 50 cent upgrade. 


I COULD ask ythan for expansion but alas, I don't want to bother him again. Hes done so much for me lately including:

Combining my old account's post count and registration date with my current account.

Integrating anchors which was a forum-wide modification that undoubtedly took some work.

Increasing the number of gradients per post so that I can have every single link in my writeup have a cool gradient.

SO i just can't bring myself to ask him for anything else at this time. Alas, I think the Hitchhikers Guide To The Shroomery is officially complete. (Pending editing via SmellyHobbit)

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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr] * 1
    #28536857 - 11/10/23 09:28 AM (6 months, 4 days ago)

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Bad news. I've reached the length limit on post-size. I wrote a whole thing on pressure cooking and then lost it when i went to post. I hit the back button and it was gone. Bummer. So all i could do was add a little paragraph and include bods PC writeup.  Didn't even get to include my blurb about the 50 cent upgrade. 


I COULD ask ythan for expansion but alas, I don't want to bother him again. Hes done so much for me lately including:

Combining my old account's post count and registration date with my current account.

Integrating anchors which was a forum-wide modification that undoubtedly took some work.

Increasing the number of gradients per post so that I can have every single link in my writeup have a cool gradient.

SO i just can't bring myself to ask him for anything else at this time. Alas, I think the Hitchhikers Guide To The Shroomery is officially complete. (Pending editing via SmellyHobbit)




Oh, wow, I can't believe I've never hit that limit lol

Although this might not be a site-related problem. It could just be that they bulldozed the last part of your comment in order to build a bypass...


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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: B Traven] * 1
    #28536992 - 11/10/23 11:01 AM (6 months, 4 days ago)

Hey Beef, call this one Volume 1, and start a new one called Volume 2, that way you have a blank canvas to share more of your valuable wealth of information for us new guys.


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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr] * 1
    #28537154 - 11/10/23 01:11 PM (6 months, 3 days ago)

Quote:

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Bad news. I've reached the length limit on post-size. I wrote a whole thing on pressure cooking and then lost it when i went to post. I hit the back button and it was gone. Bummer. So all i could do was add a little paragraph and include bods PC writeup.  Didn't even get to include my blurb about the 50 cent upgrade. 


I COULD ask ythan for expansion but alas, I don't want to bother him again. Hes done so much for me lately including:

Combining my old account's post count and registration date with my current account.

Integrating anchors which was a forum-wide modification that undoubtedly took some work.

Increasing the number of gradients per post so that I can have every single link in my writeup have a cool gradient.

SO i just can't bring myself to ask him for anything else at this time. Alas, I think the Hitchhikers Guide To The Shroomery is officially complete. (Pending editing via SmellyHobbit)




Couldn’t you just move Chapter 5-7 to your reserved, second post? Just move them before deleting so you can be sure the info is safeguarded.

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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr] * 2
    #28537228 - 11/10/23 01:58 PM (6 months, 3 days ago)

Quote:

BeefSupremeJr said:
Bad news. I've reached the length limit on post-size. I wrote a whole thing on pressure cooking and then lost it when i went to post. I hit the back button and it was gone. Bummer. So all i could do was add a little paragraph and include bods PC writeup.  Didn't even get to include my blurb about the 50 cent upgrade. 


I COULD ask ythan for expansion but alas, I don't want to bother him again. Hes done so much for me lately including:

Combining my old account's post count and registration date with my current account.

Integrating anchors which was a forum-wide modification that undoubtedly took some work.

Increasing the number of gradients per post so that I can have every single link in my writeup have a cool gradient.

SO i just can't bring myself to ask him for anything else at this time. Alas, I think the Hitchhikers Guide To The Shroomery is officially complete. (Pending editing via SmellyHobbit)




Isn't that why you have the reserved second post?


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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: Way] * 5
    #28537235 - 11/10/23 02:03 PM (6 months, 3 days ago)

Good point Way!

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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: milkboy]
    #28537297 - 11/10/23 02:44 PM (6 months, 3 days ago)

:whathesaid:


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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: meta_mmxxii] * 2
    #28537495 - 11/10/23 05:03 PM (6 months, 3 days ago)

If you guys think thats what should happen then ok.  thats what ythan said too.  Im haggard from this brutal work week i just had but I will get started on it next week.  Hopefully vadis will be down to help me get the anchors right. 

I wonder if i will ever be able to accept any draft of this fucking thing.

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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr] * 1
    #28537663 - 11/10/23 06:55 PM (6 months, 3 days ago)

It’s a living breathing document now sir.


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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr] * 1
    #28538989 - 11/11/23 04:23 PM (6 months, 2 days ago)

No. That is the writers curse. No draft is ever good enough.

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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: JW123] * 2
    #28539001 - 11/11/23 04:31 PM (6 months, 2 days ago)

yeah im honestly just thinkin i leave it alone.  i mean.. when you think about it, i left instructions on how to communicate with the community and use the search function.  i have a lot of tattoos that are unfinished and i grow to like them that way.  this is sortof an ongoing trend.

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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr] * 6
    #28539038 - 11/11/23 05:11 PM (6 months, 2 days ago)

Take it easy and get some rest buddy. You did enough work on this already

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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #28541268 - 11/13/23 09:10 AM (6 months, 1 day ago)

Yeah, take a break.  You can come back to make changes some time in the future.  Just keep a to-do list for the future, and knock it out on some day that you're feeling it.

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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr] * 1
    #28545771 - 11/16/23 08:43 PM (5 months, 28 days ago)

Thank you for this. Kinda nerdy but the 7th habit if 7 Habits of Highly Effective People is "Rest and Renew". One must "sharpen the blade" before getting back to work on order to make future work more effective.

Once again. Thank you for the amount of work you put into this.

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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
    #28551163 - 11/21/23 07:17 AM (5 months, 24 days ago)

Ty

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Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery [Re: Precubescent] * 1
    #28553191 - 11/22/23 07:21 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

I take a short break from Shroomery and come back to this masterpiece. Nice writeup Beef, way to consolidate all the pieces in cult 101. Crazy, all the useful threads I read are summed up in this post, even pointing out the outdated stuff!


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