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Re: Uncle Bens open mic discussion [Re: lowbrow] * 2
    #28505204 - 10/15/23 07:44 AM (3 months, 11 days ago)

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The main argument and the hate for the UB tech is the chance of.contamination.

What happens when contamination is no longer an issue with this tech?  Will the hate still remain?




Yes. If you read the OP, you'll discover that UB is a spawn production tek. Nothing about UB is appealing, nothing. PF tek is a rice tek, but superior on every conceivable level of analysis.

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I’m in the process of designing a device that will cut the contamination factor out of the mix.




Or just use rigid glass jars filled with rice flour, vermiculite, and water. Floppy bags covered with MP tape will never be a viable option.

The objective is to encapsulate a sterile environment which receives adequate filtered gas exhange. The filter must be capable, the gas exchange must be ample. Micropore tape is a very poor option, especially when coupled with pouches.

Furthermore, the vessel should be reusable  when dealing with higher rates of failure, to reduce waste. Spores to anything will produce failures.

How difficult is it to steam a batch of jars in a pot? Are people really that lazy/cheap? Mushrooms are more often a hobby than a necessity, if you cant afford a bag of rice, 12 x 1/2 pint jars, and some vermiculite then one shouldn't be starting any new hobbies or growing mushrooms, a "how to grow a better life tek" would be more suitable.


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One thing I noticed about the availability when I was getting the brown rice packets(at the dollar tree) was that the brown rice packets were scarce.  Usually there wasnt any.  There was a ton of all the other rice packetss but the brown rice packets seemed to be the most popular I couldnt help but wonder if  somebody else was  buying hem for cultivation purposes.  It could be fanciful thinking on my part but it was one hell of a coincidence.




Rice pouches are 100% unnecessary, even if they were free they wouldn't compete with PF tek.

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A tool like that in a mycologists arsenal cannot be ignored.




Growing a handful of mushrooms doesn't make you a mycologist. Growing 1k lbs won't make you a mycologist. A real mycologist wouldn't consider the use of rice pouches a viable resource for the production of mushrooms.

If mycologists have heard of this technique, it would be ignored.



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Re: Uncle Bens open mic discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap] * 4
    #28505227 - 10/15/23 08:17 AM (3 months, 11 days ago)

*slowly pulls feathers out of his ass*


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Re: Uncle Bens open mic discussion [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
    #28505228 - 10/15/23 08:17 AM (3 months, 11 days ago)

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Re: Uncle Bens open mic discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #28505232 - 10/15/23 08:23 AM (3 months, 11 days ago)



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Re: Uncle Bens open mic discussion [Re: BeefSupremeJr] * 1
    #28505235 - 10/15/23 08:25 AM (3 months, 11 days ago)

We like you better as a real boy, beef. Forget aboot the feathers and go grow some mush.


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Re: Uncle Bens open mic discussion [Re: lowbrow]
    #28505252 - 10/15/23 08:47 AM (3 months, 11 days ago)

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The argument that it’s too expensive has had a possible paradigm shift with the discovery of a knock off brand of brown rice at the dollar tree. 

Bad reputation or not, a pre-sterilized cubensis medium for a 1.25 aint bad at all.

A tool like that in a mycologists arsenal cannot be ignored.

Since my dollar tree discovery ive been stocking up.:rockon:

Ever since I heard about this technique Ive been wanting to expiriment with or modify it a little.  The idea of using liquid culture instead of spores seems like an entirely feasible modification to the UB tech.

The main argument and the hate for the UB tech is the chance of.contamination.

What happens when contamination is no longer an issue with this tech?  Will the hate still remain?

I’m in the process of designing a device that will cut the contamination factor out of the mix.



One thing I noticed about the availability when I was getting the brown rice packets(at the dollar tree) was that the brown rice packets were scarce.  Usually there wasnt any.  There was a ton of all the other rice packetss but the brown rice packets seemed to be the most popular I couldnt help but wonder if  somebody else was  buying hem for cultivation purposes.  It could be fanciful thinking on my part but it was one hell of a coincidence.




I really wonder if the premise that pouches of ready to eat brown rice are sterile is true. I don't necessarily believe it to be so. Not that it matters when injecting it with spores.


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Re: Uncle Bens open mic discussion [Re: lowbrow]
    #28505298 - 10/15/23 09:47 AM (3 months, 11 days ago)

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I really wonder if the premise that pouches of ready to eat brown rice are sterile is true. I don't necessarily believe it to be so. Not that it matters when injecting it with spores.




I really don't think they are, or at least not consistently so. There's no need for it. We can grow out horribly bacterial substrates and eat whatever fruits we glean with no ill effects. Companies have no reason to spend extra money making sure that those sorts of bacteria have been fully neutralized, especially when the rice in the bag won't even be exposed to oxygen before getting nuked.

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The argument that it’s too expensive has had a possible paradigm shift with the discovery of a knock off brand of brown rice at the dollar tree. 





When you consider what the equivalent amount of dry grain would be, even the cheaper off-brands are still expensive. You're paying for water and packaging. There's probably like 20 cents' worth of rice in one of those pouches.


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Re: Uncle Bens open mic discussion [Re: B Traven] * 5
    #28505331 - 10/15/23 10:15 AM (3 months, 11 days ago)

If ya'll only knew the kind of stuff that goes on in large food production facilities you'd never eat prepackaged food again.

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    #28505376 - 10/15/23 10:51 AM (3 months, 11 days ago)

It’s just gonna get cooked anyways so who’s the real dummy *tapping head*


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Re: Uncle Bens open mic discussion [Re: Screwup]
    #28505488 - 10/15/23 12:40 PM (3 months, 11 days ago)

One of the first things I'm going to look at when I get my microscope is some fucking uncle Ben's rice. 

Shall we start taking bets? hobbit is a great bookie. I would trust that man with my life savings.


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Re: Uncle Bens open mic discussion [Re: BeefSupremeJr] * 1
    #28505519 - 10/15/23 01:01 PM (3 months, 11 days ago)

I think you'd have a very difficult time identifying bacteria, it should be free of bacteria or mass spoilage would be an issue.

The sterility of the pouch is sort of moot anyways:

1. Whole cooked rice is a terrible choice for spawn;

2. Noobs looking for a hassle free approach to cult shouldn't be attempting a back door hack for spawn production;

3. Even if fruited straight from the rice pouch without use as spawn, fruited grains produce meager results at best, especially when inoculated with spore solution.

This is why changing the inoculum in an attempt to save the "tek" doesn't really change anything. You're still making some of the worst spawn possible, or the worst fruiting substrate possible; No matter how you tweak the variables you're left with garbage.

Especially if you're capable of producing pure culture on agar or liquid culture, you've just wasted it on a trash substrate housed in a garbage vessel.


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Re: Uncle Bens open mic discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap] * 1
    #28505537 - 10/15/23 01:08 PM (3 months, 11 days ago)

I realize we are talking about this in private messages but just to clarify for the larger audience, I would want to prepare the rice as per, then emulsifying a sample in distilled water and preparing slides from that.

I do realize that cross-contamination would be the biggest challenge. I think therefore the more conclusive test would be to simply prepare a pouch and leave it unopened for a month and then putting some samples to plate.


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Re: Uncle Bens open mic discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap] * 2
    #28505555 - 10/15/23 01:18 PM (3 months, 11 days ago)

One of my coworkers said her husband was gonna start growing and I said I could help them get started and she said β€œUncle Bens?”  Fucking crazy how this shit is so prolific.


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Re: Uncle Bens open mic discussion [Re: Mycolorado] * 4
    #28505559 - 10/15/23 01:25 PM (3 months, 11 days ago)

Yeah, it's nuts.

I was approached a few years ago by someone in the cannabis industry who was interested in mush. My friends made the introduction, I then brought him into my lab to demonstrate culturing techniques over a few wobbly pops; he insisted on trying UB....so we did. We inoculed an entire case of UB in front of my 2x4 flowie, all bags went to shit, but, the best part of that experience was the UB t-shirts they ordered while we waited for the bags to colonize.

The shirts were burnt orange with the Uncle ben logo, except Ben had a third eye. I refused to get one, lol.


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Re: Uncle Bens open mic discussion [Re: Mycolorado] * 2
    #28505560 - 10/15/23 01:25 PM (3 months, 11 days ago)

totally.  I was introduced to a mutual friend recently in a bar. He began the conversation by saying that our mutual friend had told them that I was "the man" at growing mushrooms.  Of course I said "oh I don't know about that".
He asked if I would be interested in looking at his operation at some point and of course I paid lip service just to be polite "yeah for sure man of course one of these days"
I already knew in the back of my mind what he was doing but then he said the words.

Uncle Ben's

My mind kind of went blank as a motioned to the bartender to close my tab


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Re: Uncle Bens open mic discussion [Re: BeefSupremeJr] * 1
    #28505562 - 10/15/23 01:27 PM (3 months, 11 days ago)

there has to be something we can do with that T-shirt design... there's a fucking golden meme there but I can't quite put my finger on it


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    #28505566 - 10/15/23 01:30 PM (3 months, 11 days ago)

It looked something like this, maybe even exactly like this...I can't remember:



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    #28505570 - 10/15/23 01:35 PM (3 months, 11 days ago)

where is smelly hobbit when I need him?  I feel like this is not only a slap in the face to my beloved community but a debasement of our craft in general.  some new shroomery merch would be nice, but twice as nice if we can plagiarize the design and spitball it back at them


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    #28505572 - 10/15/23 01:39 PM (3 months, 11 days ago)

Just after a few days of research I am starting to realize that the Uncle Ben Tek is the equivalent of jumping out of a plane 20,000 feet up without a parachute and hoping your friend catches you and he didn't forget his parachute.

While these AIO Grow bags and UB Teks seem rather appealing, you would wind up spending hundreds on a few ounces if you even get anything. I am sure some don't mind and just are doing it for fun cause they saw it on youtube. Usually, if you are beginning to cultivate you would think they would want to get a good success rate with the least amount of funds.


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Re: Uncle Bens open mic discussion [Re: Bluewidow] * 1
    #28505577 - 10/15/23 01:46 PM (3 months, 11 days ago)

"uncle mYcOloGiSt. "
Contaminated every fuckin time

I would wear that shirt


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