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elasticaltiger
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Wait are people actually doing this?
-------------------- First time growing cakes? DON'T make a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber The Shmuvbox. - The Old TC's Like it Afraid to Start Growing From Your Own Prints? Drop it Like a Tiger! No Pouring. No Syringes. No Cutting. No flaming. No Contamination. No Bullshit. "The best thing to do while your waiting is to start more stuff. I usually got so much happening that I have tossed projects simply because I didn't have time for them. -Pastywhite QFT Pastywhite's Easy Agar Tek (PastyPlates) Tiger Drop Video Demos By munchauzen Van Gogh would’ve sold more than one painting if he’d put tigers in them.―Bill Watterson EZEKIEL 23:20
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BeefSupremeJr
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mentalAstronaut said: I think examples of other cost efficient/scale/successful/inconspicuous options presented in one place will help more people make an informed decision.
Speechless.
Queuing up Bod's Sticky.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24144021
Yes, Bod's sticky is a great post and it s where I started. But you cherry-picked one line out of my comment in order to make a smartass comment (for whatever reason) when I was showing support as someone new to the hobby for why THIS thread was a valid conversation. My whole comment was referring to a resource as to WHY UBtek is bad and alternatives. People go with UB because is sounds the easiest and the amount of information here and elsewhere can be overwhelming. As a newcomer, as helpful as Bod's sticky is, BeefSupremeJr's recent post https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28501530/page/1 I think is a very good addition, along with the current thread.
i appreciate that. bods sticky has always been a little overwhelming for me. I have a very linear mind. abstract for sure, but i need direction. im trying to help and so is everyone around here. i know theres a certain snarky vibe to the community sometimes. its developed over a long period of posting the same links to ask questions to ad nauseam. we really do just want to cover the world in myc and help everyone do it.
personally i wish we could destroy about 40% of the old info on this site but thats just the nature of this beast.
Im formatting versions of these topics to add to the hitchhikers guide including a "busy/wealthy mans guide" for those people that have more money than time. You can literally buy LC, grain jars, prepped coir. hell, you can buy a premade SAB! slam it all together and you are off to the races! And there's nothing wrong with that. I have friends who are medical professionals that basically do this.
Another topic to address the overall snark that you see. we mean well. some of us have just been talking to each other for so many years that it's like talking to family members. Etiquette just isn't necessary.
try not to take it personal man. we really do want everyone to succeed, we just get really tired of the UB stuff and rotten grow bags etc. Stip
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Texas Honey Badger
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elasticaltiger said: Wait are people actually doing this?
Yeah idiots are actually trying it I tried it 22 years ago Fuck Uncle Ben Tek It’s not even a Tek
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Stipe-n Cap


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elasticaltiger said: Wait are people actually doing this?
The dumbest "tek" ever, with the most militant of cult followings. Folks seem to think it's the Achilles heel of the cult oligarchy.
They've realised our fascist control over the world of mushrooms has finally come to an end. Shroomery isn't even their real dad, and they don't have to listen to us anymore 
Uncle Ben wasn't the messiah they wanted, but he's the one they needed.
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elasticaltiger
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Re: Uncle Bens open mic discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap] 2
#28504263 - 10/14/23 11:25 AM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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elasticaltiger said: Wait are people actually doing this?
The dumbest "tek" ever, with the most militant of cult followings. Folks seem to think it's the Achilles heel of the cult oligarchy.
They've realised our fascist control over the world of mushrooms has finally come to an end. Shroomery isn't even their real dad, and they don't have to listen to us anymore 
Uncle Ben wasn't the messiah they wanted, but he's the one they needed.
How dare they. Its like Monty Python's "What have the Romans ever done for us?"
-------------------- First time growing cakes? DON'T make a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber The Shmuvbox. - The Old TC's Like it Afraid to Start Growing From Your Own Prints? Drop it Like a Tiger! No Pouring. No Syringes. No Cutting. No flaming. No Contamination. No Bullshit. "The best thing to do while your waiting is to start more stuff. I usually got so much happening that I have tossed projects simply because I didn't have time for them. -Pastywhite QFT Pastywhite's Easy Agar Tek (PastyPlates) Tiger Drop Video Demos By munchauzen Van Gogh would’ve sold more than one painting if he’d put tigers in them.―Bill Watterson EZEKIEL 23:20
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Texas Honey Badger
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Re: Uncle Bens open mic discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap] 1
#28504268 - 10/14/23 11:29 AM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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elasticaltiger said: Wait are people actually doing this?
The dumbest "tek" ever, with the most militant of cult followings. Folks seem to think it's the Achilles heel of the cult oligarchy.
They've realised our fascist control over the world of mushrooms has finally come to an end. Shroomery isn't even their real dad, and they don't have to listen to us anymore 
Uncle Ben wasn't the messiah they wanted, but he's the one they needed.
I suggest a perma bann for anyone pushing any uncle bens teks
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Anglerfish
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Re: Uncle Bens open mic discussion [Re: chikn fingaz]
#28504296 - 10/14/23 12:07 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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Spacecadet94 said: Do we know who came up with Uncle Bens tek, so we can give them 99 years of hard labor?
I had to google this, and turns out a guy on reddit calling himself Shroomscout claims to be the originator of this "tek".
Source is the following article:
https://www.zamnesia.com/blog-uncle-bens-rice-tek-shroom-cultivation-n2747
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veggie

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Re: Uncle Bens open mic discussion [Re: Anglerfish] 2
#28504334 - 10/14/23 12:46 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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Yeah, people claim Shroomscout came up with the idea even though it was posted on Shroomery 18+ years ago https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4170612 and users tried it several years before that. It was called different names over the years. That happens quite often and still happens here where many 'new' teks are just renamed 'old' teks. But Shroomscout can have the credit for UB if he wants. 
I am all for locking new UB tek posts and sending them back to reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/unclebens/. People learn about UB on reddit or youtube and then come to shrooomery when it all goes south, or to brag if they manage to get a few shrooms.
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Stipe-n Cap


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Re: Uncle Bens open mic discussion [Re: Anglerfish] 4
#28504341 - 10/14/23 12:54 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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When performing the PF tek at home, getting to this stage takes many hours, and requires sterilisation and a pressure cooker. Pre-steamed bags of rice, such as Uncle Ben’s, do away with all of this.
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You can make your life easier by using a laminar flow hood, or at the very least a still air box. These pieces of equipment greatly reduce the chances of contamination.
I picture one of those cheesy tv infomercials:
Tired of pressure cooking for hours...
*camera pans to flustered woman with 6 kids trying to juggle milk bottles and diapers while failing to simultaneously operate a 23q Presto*
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Benson
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Re: Uncle Bens open mic discussion [Re: veggie]
#28504367 - 10/14/23 01:29 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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One of the first threads I clicked into asking if clearly-contaminated UB was contaminated:

Didn't know myc piss was still in anyone's lexicon
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Re: Uncle Bens open mic discussion [Re: Benson]
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Didn't know myc piss was still in anyone's lexicon 
People still say it. Then some TC comes along and rages about how it's not piss (which we all already know) and it shuts people up for a while.
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Stipe-n Cap


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Re: Uncle Bens open mic discussion [Re: Benson] 3
#28504389 - 10/14/23 01:53 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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Lol, I've definitely been that guy...
This is precisely why I stress the use of correct terminology. If folks would take a second to understand some key terms, they immediately present a framework for troubleshooting.
What's "myc piss" to a noob? Well, it kind of sounds like a natural waste product, nothing to worry about, definitely not a contaminant. If one understands that "myc piss" is actually metabolites, then what you're seeing is a metobolic response. What's a metobolism? What's a metobolic response, "hey google, what is the function of fungal metobolites".... it immediately opens your mind to the algorithmic flow of reasonable questions which produce knowledge.
Fukn myc piss, lel. Somebody ranted in the comments of my yt video that covered symptoms of bacterial spawn. Myc piss was the culprit, nothing to do with bacteria because piss is just a waste product. Bacteria is a shroomery lie, you can't prove it's not piss.
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Kinoko314
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Re: Uncle Bens open mic discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
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OMG, I followed that Reddit link and went down the rabbit hole. This shit is hilarious!
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Re: Uncle Bens open mic discussion [Re: Kinoko314]
#28504405 - 10/14/23 02:11 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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Absolute legunds.
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BeefSupremeJr
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Re: Uncle Bens open mic discussion [Re: Kinoko314]
#28504408 - 10/14/23 02:13 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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i deleted reddit.. it was rotting my brain.
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WeavieWonder
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Re: Uncle Bens open mic discussion [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 1
#28504956 - 10/14/23 11:27 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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UB tek is lame af, but I think I understand why people are drawn to it.
It is my understanding that the majority of these folks are not looking to invest a lot of money and time into learning the inner workings of mushroom cultivation. They are seeking the path of least resistance to obtain some mushrooms so they can go giggle and have fun with their friends. Nothing wrong with that.
The problem though is that UB is not as reliable as it is made out to be by the people who sell it. UB'ers who have problems come here to seek advice and then get the taste slapped out of there mouth. A lot of heated discussions ya know?
I think giving the UB people their own space is great. UB people can talk to other UB people about UB things. If they want to learn more traditional and reliable methods of cultivation later down the road, I think that would be cool. Most everybody on this forum are receptive to individuals who take a genuine interest in cultivation practices and techniques.
UB tek can work. But it might the worst way to go about it from a scientific perspective. UB'ers probably wouldn't even bother with this shit if they could go to a store and buy mushrooms for a good price. Mush Cult wouldn't though. They'd still all grow they own shit. Because we're all a bunch of nerds.
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Re: Uncle Bens open mic discussion [Re: WeavieWonder]
#28504970 - 10/14/23 11:46 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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In one of these other threads about UB or outdated TEKs or what-have-you, I mentioned how I got into growing.
I won't repeat myself, but the point was basically that I followed every set of instructions I came across to the best of my ability. I was lucky enough to have my first instructions be the MMGG, and then PFtek straight from the source.
I've met people who were very devoted to growing mushrooms, and just cranking away at UBtek, mainly because it was the first thing they were exposed to. It was "working fine" for them, and they didn't want to rock the boat.
Some people aren't afraid to put in work or invest in equipment, but they're also primarily focused on consistently producing medicine. In their minds, switching techniques carries the risk that someone in need might miss out.
That's the fucked up part about the dialogue around UBtek being "just fine" for "people who just want to trip," etc. It can convey the idea that anything "beyond" UBtek is just for people who want to geek out on a hobby, but UBtek is the real tried-and-true technique for consistent
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Re: Uncle Bens open mic discussion [Re: B Traven] 2
#28504997 - 10/15/23 12:17 AM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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that makes perfect sense B. i do even eat the things myself hardly anymore, but i have a lot of people who actually really need them. one of my clients has ALS. another has another horrible neuro disorder i wont name. some have ptsd symptoms, others just manage their depression and anxiety and dont want to be on an ssri or mood stabilizer. very people i know take mushrooms for fun. that said i dont grow them for fun.
i cant actually afford to dick around with any other method than what im doing. i feel like im barely keeping up as it is. id be in real trouble if i lost even one tub right now. dont get me wrong, i do geek out on this craft but i dont do what im doing because its fun. it is fun, but theres a degree of seriousness. I always say im going to do some novelty grows and have some fun but i never have time for it. i want to try getting into some of fahts teks but i do worry that if i fuck up people wont get their medicine.
i dont think UB'ers quite understand this kind of pressure. maybe it really does "work" for them but it would never work for me and my people.
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Some weeks ago, in a local bar, i was talking to a guy i just met first time. He was quite cool, we talked about mushrooms, didn't tell him exactly i'm about to start cultivating, but i explained him the pf-tek, he was quite interested. Then he said "did you know that it's possible to grow from uncle bens rice bags without sterilizing?". He told me it's big on reddit and stuff. First i was like wow, this is great, but then i gave it a thought and figured it's way too expensive and that's also what i told him. At this time i didn't know about the high failure rate, but just money wise it's not clever, if you have the time to get into real growing. I told him to just buy a pressure cooker, read a lot and he'll be fine. Unfortunately i wasn't too deep into shroomery yet, it was when i made my first couple of posts here, which were kind of frustrating, so i didn't advice him to come here. Dunno didn't see him again, he might grow some UB stuff idk
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Re: Uncle Bens open mic discussion [Re: GogoBonkers]
#28505124 - 10/15/23 05:30 AM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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The argument that it’s too expensive has had a possible paradigm shift with the discovery of a knock off brand of brown rice at the dollar tree.
Bad reputation or not, a pre-sterilized cubensis medium for a 1.25 aint bad at all.
A tool like that in a mycologists arsenal cannot be ignored.
Since my dollar tree discovery ive been stocking up.
Ever since I heard about this technique Ive been wanting to expiriment with or modify it a little. The idea of using liquid culture instead of spores seems like an entirely feasible modification to the UB tech.
The main argument and the hate for the UB tech is the chance of.contamination.
What happens when contamination is no longer an issue with this tech? Will the hate still remain?
I’m in the process of designing a device that will cut the contamination factor out of the mix.
One thing I noticed about the availability when I was getting the brown rice packets(at the dollar tree) was that the brown rice packets were scarce. Usually there wasnt any. There was a ton of all the other rice packetss but the brown rice packets seemed to be the most popular I couldnt help but wonder if somebody else was buying hem for cultivation purposes. It could be fanciful thinking on my part but it was one hell of a coincidence.
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