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InvisibleXlea321
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Charges against Saddam a little old?
    #2849664 - 07/02/04 02:10 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Anyone puzzling over why if Saddam was still killing people post-1991 the US has had to go back to a charge of killing someone in 1974?

In fact most of the charges come from times when he was snuggled up to Reagan and Bush. You'd think there'd be a few more recent deaths they could pin on him if he really was "oppressing" and "terrorising" his people like Shrub assured us.

(Anyone else a little amused that a relative of the convicted on the run fraudster Chalabi is involved in the "justice" process?)


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Re: Charges against Saddam a little old? [Re: Xlea321]
    #2849726 - 07/02/04 02:25 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I also wonder how much censorship will occur with this trial. Surely, Saddam might have a secret or two about his former alliance with the US and its arms dealing.


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Re: Charges against Saddam a little old? [Re: Xlea321]
    #2849981 - 07/02/04 03:33 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

the trial is probably all ready over and done with, edited, and brodcast for our veiwing plesure. what a world.

I wonder what sort of terrorist organisation this new US appointed government will turn out to be once they start holding oil back the yanks.


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Re: Charges against Saddam a little old? [Re: Xlea321]
    #2850181 - 07/02/04 05:27 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

The specific list of charges isn't expected until later this year however the ones raised so far are:-

1) Gassing of Kurdish villagers in Halabja (1988)
2) The murders thousands of the Barzani tribe (1983)
3) Killing of political activists (1968 - 2003)
4) Murder of religious figures (1974)
5) Ethnic cleansing of Kurds during the Anfal campaign (1987 - 1988)
6) Supression of Shia and Kurdish uprisings (1991)
7) Invasion of Kuwait (1990)

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In fact most of the charges come from times when he was snuggled up to Reagan and Bush.




In what way does this excuse or justify any of them?

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Alex123:
The right-wingers who talk about him "killing hundreds of thousands" always neglect to mention that he did most of that in the 80's with the full approval of the US government of the time.




Care to back this up? ( I have asked you before...)

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You'd think there'd be a few more recent deaths they could pin on him if he really was "oppressing" and "terrorising" his people like Shrub assured us.




I'd love for you to say that to an Iraqi. Read before making such blind statements...

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And yet the UN call launching illegal wars of aggresion "the ultimate war crime".




Sounds like charge seven to me, or have we waited too long to punish the 'ultimate war crime'


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Re: Charges against Saddam a little old? [Re: Xlea321]
    #2850298 - 07/02/04 07:35 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Totally predictable Alex. :rolleyes:

Are you worried your hero might not get off?

The charges are also broad due to the amount of atrocities that were performed by Saddam, the reasons given were that if each and every violation were brought before the court the trial would last forever.


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Re: Charges against Saddam a little old? [Re: Xlea321]
    #2850301 - 07/02/04 07:39 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Who will blame U.S. for Vietnam War?


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Re: Charges against Saddam a little old? [Re: WebLiZaRD]
    #2850304 - 07/02/04 07:42 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

> Who will blame U.S. for Vietnam War?

Apples and oranges... comparing a person that did a lot of bad things to an era in which a lot of bad things happened...


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Re: Charges against Saddam a little old? [Re: Seuss]
    #2850324 - 07/02/04 07:59 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think that U.S. has the right to judge Saddam. I don't guard Saddam and i hate him but U.S. wouldn't judge him. Maybe U.N. or any other organisation but not U.S. alone. I am just too angry with these news.


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Re: Charges against Saddam a little old? [Re: WebLiZaRD]
    #2850325 - 07/02/04 08:01 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

The Iraqi Government is judging him, we are holding him.


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Re: Charges against Saddam a little old? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2850363 - 07/02/04 08:36 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

The Iraqi Government...

Who rubber-stamped them? Are they "free" to find Hussein innocent?


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Re: Charges against Saddam a little old? [Re: st0nedphucker]
    #2850367 - 07/02/04 08:39 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

The specific list of charges isn't expected until later this year however the ones raised so far are:-

1) Gassing of Kurdish villagers in Halabja (1988)
2) The murders thousands of the Barzani tribe (1983)
3) Killing of political activists (1968 - 2003)
4) Murder of religious figures (1974)
5) Ethnic cleansing of Kurds during the Anfal campaign (1987 - 1988)
6) Supression of Shia and Kurdish uprisings (1991)
7) Invasion of Kuwait (1990)


Main charge however is that he told the USA that he was actually running his country and to fuck off. All of the other charges were forgiveable.


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Re: Charges against Saddam a little old? [Re: Xlea321]
    #2850387 - 07/02/04 08:58 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

What about Gaddafi? He is and was doing pretty much the same things as Saddam, except that he really sponsored terrorism and developed WMD while Saddam hasn't.



(taken from http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3566545.stm )


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Re: Charges against Saddam a little old? [Re: Swami]
    #2850407 - 07/02/04 09:09 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Are they "free" to find Hussein innocent?




sure they are, even though he's not.


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Re: Charges against Saddam a little old? [Re: zeronio]
    #2850418 - 07/02/04 09:18 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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What about Gaddafi? He is and was doing pretty much the same things as Saddam, except that he really sponsored terrorism and developed WMD while Saddam hasn't.




Libya has accepted responsibility for the Lockerbie bombings and has agreed to pay compensation to the families of the victims. Aswell as that the last time I checked Libya hadn't commited genocide, used its chemical weapons or invaded a neighbouring country.

Just a few points, im not trying to defend Gaddafi.


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Re: Charges against Saddam a little old? [Re: st0nedphucker]
    #2850435 - 07/02/04 09:31 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, after several of his children were killed "accidentally" by the USA, he toned down a little. This terrorist tactic is quite effective.


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Re: Charges against Saddam a little old? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2850489 - 07/02/04 10:03 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

C'mon... Don't be blind. I hope you don't think U.S.A do these things for human-rights and democracy in iraq... Why don't U.S.A. do anything to israel of palestinan? Why didn't U.S.A. do anything for PKK in Turkey, why didn't U.S.A. do anything for bosnia? Why didn't bush do anything for africa? Black people were in war...

Why only Saddam? What is iraq goverment? It is controlled by U.S.A. Every kid knows this, don't you know?

You shouldn't blame a country commandant for his wars. If you do then somebody would blame U.S.A. after 10 years of iraq war...

If iraq blames saddam why U.S.A. holds? Why don't they show all the judgement? Why censored...

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Re: Charges against Saddam a little old? [Re: WebLiZaRD]
    #2850556 - 07/02/04 10:39 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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C'mon... Don't be blind. I hope you don't think U.S.A do these things for human-rights and democracy in iraq...




which has nothing to do with anything i have said in this thread, keep up.

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Why didn't U.S.A. do anything for PKK in Turkey, why didn't U.S.A. do anything for bosnia? Why didn't bush do anything for africa? Black people were in war...




do you even know what you're talking about?  I'm guessing no. (BTW this as well has nothing to do with anything i have posted in this thread) Turkey has it's own military to help itself, who do you think supplied most of the weapons and support for Bosnia and as for Africa, does Somolia ring a fucking bell?  The United states gives plenty to Africa.  Please think before you post.

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Why only Saddam? What is iraq goverment? It is controlled by U.S.A. Every kid knows this, don't you know?





that's the difference between you and I (amongst others i'd guess) I'm not a kid.  Sure the government was picked by the United States, come January when the free elections happen (you did know this Govt was temp.) this will hopefully change.

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You shouldn't blame a country commandant for his wars. If you do then somebody would blame U.S.A. after 10 years of iraq war...




WTF?  you sound like you're 6.  WTF is a "commandant"?

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must be the public schools :shake:


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Re: Charges against Saddam a little old? [Re: st0nedphucker]
    #2850763 - 07/02/04 12:46 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

In what way does this excuse or justify any of them?

I didn't say it did. Read the post again. This time pay attention.

Care to back this up?

Post-Halabja Bush arranged a billion dollar loan for Saddam. Along with all the chemical weaponry, precursors and intelligence they supplied Saddam throughout the 80's. Read a little history.

I'd love for you to say that to an Iraqi.

I'd love for you to defend the invasion of Iraq to the relatives of the innocent people who died miserable, agonising deaths. My guess is you won't.

Sounds like charge seven to me, or have we waited too long to punish the 'ultimate war crime'

So when does Bush go on trial for his war crime of invading Iraq?


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Re: Charges against Saddam a little old? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2850773 - 07/02/04 12:49 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Totally predictable Alex

You're not surprising anyone yourself inny  :smile:

The charges are also broad due to the amount of atrocities that were performed by Saddam

The question was would they have to go back to 1974 if it was so urgent to invade Iraq in 2003 to stop the "abuse" of the Iraqi people?


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Re: Charges against Saddam a little old? [Re: Xlea321]
    #2850790 - 07/02/04 12:54 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

yes, but you're splitting hairs now. It's kinda cute actually.

just be happy they've got him and can hold him accountable. Don't worry, if they don't kill him you can always write to him and see how he's doing.


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