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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
    #28500022 - 10/11/23 11:42 AM (7 months, 3 days ago)

Umm, thats not exactly what rocket brigades use. They A-Team their missiles from drain pipe, fuel and fertilizer.

What these rockets don't really have is a target, unlike a weapons system. They are shot in the general direction of a city and in the last decade or so, they increasingly often hit the city they were aimed at.

This is how you got very many rockets fired and a total death toll of a couple dozen from these rockets.

They infiltrated american hobby rocket clubs to acquire the technology.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Psilynut2]
    #28500041 - 10/11/23 12:00 PM (7 months, 3 days ago)

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You're the one who said 3,000 of them were.  :shrug:




Clearly they weren't. So, the lack of Iranian missiles being used by Hamas is now evidence of Iranian support for Hamas?

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much like we know that US weapon shipments routinely get diverted,




  Routinely ? I imagine some weapons get misplaced or lost over the years but  you're saying it happens regularly ?  Do you have any evidence of that claim .  Especially something relating to large equipment you can't just throw in the back of a truck .
  I  was talking specifically about the giant missile in the picture . That isn't something you're going to get out of Iran and into Palestine without the Iranian govts help .




It's a big enough problem that the US government has a dedicated action plan.

I'm guessing that the government won't actually announce what percent of weapons get misplaced. For reasons that are pretty obvious.

Having done some more looking at that picture, and some more searching, That looks a lot like a Yemeni flag, no?

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: mycosis] * 1
    #28500042 - 10/11/23 12:01 PM (7 months, 3 days ago)

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But I’ve gotta admit the Palestinian amateur rocketry club has come a long way in the last decade.
They’ve increased their range and accuracy immensely.





I saw this:






and, i abhor the terrorist act ok!!, but in the initial seconds of seeing that not knowing of the war, the former rocket boy I was, recognized what a long way they have come.

Lightning fast launch removes the rocket from the launch site, now a target, supersonic stable flight, straight trajectory, its a spectacle for their fellows to admire, instead of the fail rockets of decades past.

Impressive for a group of locals with a photocopied manual in a highly restricted land.


doesn't mean i endorse it but, they clearly evolved lots.

As building rockets goes, this is pretty much the tits.


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    #28500047 - 10/11/23 12:10 PM (7 months, 3 days ago)

Digging secret tunnels and launching home made rockets!

All the things we dreamed of as young boys! :naughty:

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    #28500079 - 10/11/23 12:44 PM (7 months, 3 days ago)

NYT: US intelligence shows Iranian officials surprised by Hamas attack.

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The United States has collected multiple pieces of intelligence that show that key Iranian leaders were surprised by the Hamas attack in Israel, information that has fueled U.S. doubts that Iran played a direct role in planning the assault, according to several American officials.

These key Iranian officials did not know the attack was coming, according to the intelligence. The United States, Israel and key regional allies have not found evidence that Iran directly helped plan the attack, according to the U.S. officials and another official in the Middle East.

While they would not identify the Iranian officials who expressed surprise at the attack, the U.S. officials said they were people who typically would be aware of operations involving the Quds Force, Iran's paramilitary arm that supports and works with proxy forces.

U.S. officials said the intelligence investigation was continuing and could turn up evidence that Iran or other states were directly involved in the Hamas operation. Senior officials said they were keeping an open mind, reviewing old intelligence reports and looking for new information.

Iran has provided large numbers of weapons and support to Hamas over many years. U.S. officials have made clear that they believe this makes Tehran broadly complicit in the attack. But that was a different issue than direct knowledge and involvement, they said.

Morgan Muir, a senior U.S. intelligence official, told members of Congress in a briefing on Tuesday that there was no direct link between Iran and the Hamas attack, U.S. officials said. Mr. Muir provided few details but told lawmakers that U.S. agencies had intelligence contradicting assertions that Iran had helped plan the attack.

The United States and its allies regularly track and monitor meetings between Quds Force leaders and their proxies and allies, including Hamas. But officials say there is no evidence that those meetings were used to plan the attack in Israel. While officials concede that there could have been other secret meetings that Western intelligence did not track, for now they have found no evidence of such meetings.

The U.S. officials spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the intelligence and requested that The New York Times not report the means of collection to protect sources and methods.

Jake Sullivan, the national security adviser, said on Tuesday that agencies had not collected intelligence about direct Iranian involvement in the attack.

Officials said Mr. Sullivan’s remarks reflected the intelligence collected so far, which did not point to direct involvement by Iran.

“We have said since the beginning: Iran is complicit in this attack in a broad sense because they have provided the lion’s share of the funding for the military arm of Hamas,” he said. “They have provided training, they have provided capabilities.”

President Biden is facing fierce criticism from some members of the Republican Party, including candidates for president, who accuse the administration of being soft on Iran. The Biden administration has been trying unsuccessfully to revive a nuclear deal with Iran and recently negotiated a deal for the release of prisoners. In exchange, Iran gained access to $6 billion in frozen oil revenues for humanitarian purposes.

Former President Donald J. Trump and other Republicans tried to cast blame on Mr. Biden, saying that those funds helped to finance the assault. But that $6 billion is not U.S. taxpayer money, as Mr. Trump and others falsely stated. Nor is there evidence that the money, which officials have said is subject to Treasury Department oversight, was used to finance the attacks.

Treasury Secretary Janet L. Yellen did not rule out the possibility of reversing a decision made last month to unfreeze the $6 billion in Iranian funds if it is determined that the country was involved in the attack by Hamas. Ms. Yellen said the funds had not yet been touched.

The United States moved an aircraft carrier to the region, a step meant to deter Iran or its proxies from opening another front in the wake of the assault.




This also lays out a very clear difference that I was also trying to lay out in my previous posts. Iran may be "broadly complicit", as they generally fund and train Hamas, just like the US is "broadly complicit" in the genocidal actions of Israel towards Palestine.

But Iran is not directly responsible for this attack, much like the US is not directly responsible for an IDF commando picking off Palestinian kids for fun. Sorry ecstatic.

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #28500082 - 10/11/23 12:47 PM (7 months, 3 days ago)

Truth be told US intelligence is constantly surprised and caught off guard…except when they’re couping foreign countries left and right all willy nilly.

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Skellies]
    #28500084 - 10/11/23 12:49 PM (7 months, 3 days ago)

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Hezbollah is exchanging fire with Israel on the border with Lebanon. If Hezbollah chooses to increase their engagement it could be a major factor.




Sirens going off across a shitload of West Bank settlements right now, just in the wake of Bibi moving all troops to the southwest to contain Gaza.


Not sure whether it’s explicitly Hezbollah but I don’t see how they wouldn’t be involved to some degree. Some reports that the fence separating Lebanon and Palestine has been blown up, but no confirmation.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
    #28500182 - 10/11/23 02:05 PM (7 months, 3 days ago)

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Clearly they weren't. So, the lack of Iranian missiles being used by Hamas is now evidence of Iranian support for Hamas?




That sounds like a huge logical leap to me.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Ice9] * 2
    #28500189 - 10/11/23 02:10 PM (7 months, 3 days ago)

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I would not be surprised at all if Russia supported this attack. Seems exactly like the kind of fuckery they would get involved in



There are reports captured US "trophy" weapons were transfered from Russia to HAMAS for this attack to undermine the US arming Ukraine. :shrug:



Ah hah!!! Russia is couping Israel :smug:


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Psilynut2]
    #28500242 - 10/11/23 02:53 PM (7 months, 3 days ago)

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Clearly they weren't. So, the lack of Iranian missiles being used by Hamas is now evidence of Iranian support for Hamas?




That sounds like a huge logical leap to me.




I agree.

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
    #28500262 - 10/11/23 03:04 PM (7 months, 2 days ago)

I don't know why you'd even go there


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
    #28500351 - 10/11/23 04:16 PM (7 months, 2 days ago)

I did not make the claim that Hamas was using Iranian missiles, nor did I posit that the presence of Iranian missiles necessarily involved Iran.

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #28500388 - 10/11/23 04:56 PM (7 months, 2 days ago)

No.  What you did was way more deceptive and dishonest than that.  Someone posted a link about hamas showing a missile and suggested that if that missile is Iranian, that would be an indicator that Iran was helping Hamas.  You then said that the presence of AR-15s would equally be an indicator that the U.S. was helping Hamas.  Someone called you out on that by arguing the vast difference between a common firearm available on the open market and a truck mounted missile.  Then you said that 3000 such truck mounted missiles were used in the attack..until you backpedaled from that to saying that rockets were used.

What part of that did I get wrong?


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    #28500402 - 10/11/23 05:10 PM (7 months, 2 days ago)

Israeli government official is berated and chased away after showing up at a hospital. Seems like a lot of Israelis are willing to blame their government for what happened.

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Minister Idit Silman is greeted with scorn and screams of dismayed citizens at Assaf Harofeh




https://twitter.com/mqudsi/status/1712187040039616756?s=46&t=v6A7MSXUAx3KM0glMf5Wdg

That doctor is PISSED OFF. Wow

I suspect that once the immediate crisis is over, Netanyahu is toast


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
    #28500494 - 10/11/23 06:16 PM (7 months, 2 days ago)

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No.  What you did was way more deceptive and dishonest than that.  Someone posted a link about hamas showing a missile and suggested that if that missile is Iranian, that would be an indicator that Iran was helping Hamas.  You then said that the presence of AR-15s would equally be an indicator that the U.S. was helping Hamas.  Someone called you out on that by arguing the vast difference between a common firearm available on the open market and a truck mounted missile.  Then you said that 3000 such truck mounted missiles were used in the attack..until you backpedaled from that to saying that rockets were used.

What part of that did I get wrong?




Several unverified claims there.

First off, didn't even realize there was a link. Damn, and here I am trying to ID a missile from a picture. Pretty sure I'm right, though, because Wikipedia lists the Toophan missile as being between 116 and 145cm in length, and unless Yemen is also known as Liliput in certain circles, the pictured missile is a lot bigger.

I was also correct that the missile pictured is part of a military parade of Houthi rebels in Yemen, which is very different from Hamas and Palestine.

Next, I did fail to distinguish between rockets and missiles. Whoops. It is a small, but very important distinction.

Where the truck-mounted aspect came from, I am not certain. I assume you agree with my assessment that the pictured missile is likely a Shahed-3 MRBM, and then that kinda morphed together with me not distinguishing between missiles and rockets. Either way, I see no evidence of Hamas using something like that to begin with.

But ultimately, I stand by my original point. If the presence of military equipment created by one nation is evidence that nation is organizing an offensive, then why does this not apply to US-made weapons? Is it because of the fact that AR-15 pattern firearms are ubiquitous throughout the world? The Toophan has been mass produced since 1987, and has been used by pretty much every state and non-state military in the middle east. I would call that pretty ubiquitous. And also it is not truck mounted. It is a four foot long ATGM that can be fired from a tripod. Or a bipod.

I still don't think that Hamas claiming to have a toophan missile, while posting a picture of a clearly not toophan missile, mounted on a truck with a Yemeni flag, in the middle of a military parade in Yemen, should be considered evidence that Iran is backing Hamas, since they designed the Toophan.

EDIT: I will also add, that the claim was not that the presence of a picture of an Iranian missile "suggests" Iranian involvement, the claim was that it should be considered incontrovertible evidence of Iranian involvement. I think I expanded on this point several times, in that I do not deny that Iran is *generally* involved, no shit they are, but there is a big difference between being generally associated with Islamic rebels and directing their activities. I expect that this difference will become increasingly salient in the coming days, as we decide whether a war with Iran is a good idea or not.

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    #28500498 - 10/11/23 06:19 PM (7 months, 2 days ago)

I can't get over the Israeli intelligence services being oblivious to such a huge logistics operation when normally they detect who farted by IR satellite imaging.


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    #28500502 - 10/11/23 06:21 PM (7 months, 2 days ago)

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I can't get over the Israeli intelligence services being oblivious to such a huge logistics operation when normally they detect who farted by IR satellite imaging.





Yea, that's the biggest mystery in all of this so far.

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    #28500510 - 10/11/23 06:24 PM (7 months, 2 days ago)

They Coventry'd them :sadyes:

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    #28500512 - 10/11/23 06:26 PM (7 months, 2 days ago)

At this point I consider the scenarios where either (a) Trump gave Russia Israeli intelligence which they passed on to Hamas or (b) Israeli leadership intentionally letting Hamas in as a Reichstag fire event to be slightly more likely than the intelligence failure aspect.

Honestly, the first seems to be more likely, considering that Trump bragged about giving out Israeli intelligence, and on at least one occasion that I remember revealed that Israeli intelligence had provided information.

However, the recent claim from Egypt That Egyptian intelligence warned Israel three days in advance supports the latter scenario.

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    #28500540 - 10/11/23 06:47 PM (7 months, 2 days ago)

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I can't get over the Israeli intelligence services being oblivious to such a huge logistics operation when normally they detect who farted by IR satellite imaging.





Yea, that's the biggest mystery in all of this so far.




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