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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#28539213 - 11/11/23 07:19 PM (2 months, 15 days ago) |
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I think hammas achieved exactly what they set out to achieve, provoke isreal into killing citizens along with hammas members, placing the blame solely on the isrealis heads and getting people to sympathize with a terrorist group. I don't think that's a good road to go down. The question is do you think hammas needs to be taken out I think they do. The next question is how do you accomplish that? I think it'd be better if there were a ground invasion by isreali special forces but that'd probably end up killing Palestinians anyway. The citizens that now truly hate Israel for what they've done would attack the isreali forces from all sides and they'd have to kill alot of Palestinians. People would be just as upset at a ground invasion as they are the bombings I'd think.
So do I think what isreal is doing is wrong? Yes. Do I think they shouldn't do anything at all and just roll over until hammas can launch another attack and then another and so on? No. Hammas needs to be taken out somehow and pro Palestinian groups don't have that as part of their narrative so I just can't take them very seriously.
In my eyes Hammas is the reason all of this is happening. Doesn't make what isreal is doing right but I believe they do need to be taken out somehow someway.
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Perhaps the first step would be for Israel to stop funding Hamas in an effort to prevent a two state solution, but what do I know?
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
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Kryptos said: Perhaps the first step would be for Israel to stop funding Hamas in an effort to prevent a two state solution, but what do I know?
That would be so convenient if true, right? Let's see your evidence and sources of that claim.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
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And the logical second step, I think, would be to stop sending troops and violent settlers into the West Bank, because it seem that the game plan is to use the war in Gaza as a distraction to sieze as much land as possible.
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Kryptos said: Perhaps the first step would be for Israel to stop funding Hamas in an effort to prevent a two state solution, but what do I know?
That would be so convenient if true, right? Let's see your evidence and sources of that claim.
It is true.
Here's Israel complaining about it.
Here's his own party talking about it:
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According to various reports, Netanyahu made a similar point at a Likud faction meeting in early 2019, when he was quoted as saying that those who oppose a Palestinian state should support the transfer of funds to Gaza, because maintaining the separation between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza would prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
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Kryptos said: Perhaps the first step would be for Israel to stop funding Hamas in an effort to prevent a two state solution, but what do I know?
This is acting like every dime hammas gets is from isreal first of all. I'll have to look into it but let's say isreal gave money to hammas. In reality I think what you're talking about is funding Iran or Palestinie which in turn funds hammas or conversely that isreal had funded hammas in the past in a very stupid move but let's say they just straight up gave money to hammas directly RECENTLY not 10 years ago. And let's say tomorrow isreal "stops funding hammas"
Iran has been funding hammas for decades and especially recently they've been funding almost all of their budget. Isreal has no say over Iran funding hammas that's completely out of their control. Then they now how the support of at least 2 dozen other Muslim countries that could easily step in to help fund them as well. So your argument of isreal stopping funding hammas will just make all the terrorism stop is ludicrous.
But it's exactly what I said in my post is you seem unable to say what hammas did was heinous and they need to be taken out. And you don't offer a single real option to eliminate the threat.
So my questions to you are, do you think hammas needs to be stopped by being killed or jailed? And secondly, how do you propose they accomplish that?
If all you can say is if isreal was nicer there wouldn't be any hammas you're A) living in a idealized world where terrorists wouldn't attack isreal if isreal was acting more fairly to people who want to take their entire country as their own and do God knows what to the isrealis living there to kick them out and give it "back" to the Palestinians.
And B) you're not acknowledging the reality of the situation which is, what hammas did was a massive terror attack on civilians, they raped,beheaded, took people hostage, there's still hundreds and hundreds(maybe more now) of hostages that will never know freedom again unless someone takes out hammas. They have vowed to attack again and again. And they need to be stopped.
Which all goes back to the question you don't seem to be able to answer which is how do you accomplish taking out hammas?
Because isreal "stopping funding them" is not going to achieve that. If that's even an accurate representation of the facts(having a link doesnt make it true, it might be but id have to do more comparitive research with many different sources to determine that). Iran has alot of money that they've been giving to hammas for years.
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I realize that post was a bit convoluted trying to convey what my thoughts are but in basic terms it's this. Are we really at a place where its appropriate to pretend like the hammas attack was justified? Are we really at a place where hammas has no blame in this and they shouldn't eliminated? And if you do acknowledge that the terror attack was terrible and they need to be stopped, then how do you propose isreal does that without killing any civilians?
If you have an actual proposition on how to do that I'd like to hear it but if all you can do if deflect all the blame on isreal I just cannot take the argument seriously.
I think what we're seeing is a weaponization of our own empathy to get us to quite litterally support hammas's mission statement.
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Kryptos said: Perhaps the first step would be for Israel to stop funding Hamas in an effort to prevent a two state solution, but what do I know?
This is acting like every dime hammas gets is from isreal first of all. I'll have to look into it but let's say isreal gave money to hammas. In reality I think what you're talking about is funding Iran or Palestinie which in turn funds hammas or conversely that isreal had funded hammas in the past in a very stupid move but let's say they just straight up gave money to hammas directly RECENTLY not 10 years ago. And let's say tomorrow isreal "stops funding hammas"
Iran has been funding hammas for decades and especially recently they've been funding almost all of their budget. Isreal has no say over Iran funding hammas that's completely out of their control. Then they now how the support of at least 2 dozen other Muslim countries that could easily step in to help fund them as well. So your argument of isreal stopping funding hammas will just make all the terrorism stop is ludicrous.
But it's exactly what I said in my post is you seem unable to say what hammas did was heinous and they need to be taken out. And you don't offer a single real option to eliminate the threat.
So my questions to you are, do you think hammas needs to be stopped by being killed or jailed? And secondly, how do you propose they accomplish that?
If all you can say is if isreal was nicer there wouldn't be any hammas you're A) living in a idealized world where terrorists wouldn't attack isreal if isreal was acting more fairly to people who want to take their entire country as their own and do God knows what to the isrealis living there to kick them out and give it "back" to the Palestinians.
And B) you're not acknowledging the reality of the situation which is, what hammas did was a massive terror attack on civilians, they raped,beheaded, took people hostage, there's still hundreds and hundreds(maybe more now) of hostages that will never know freedom again unless someone takes out hammas. They have vowed to attack again and again. And they need to be stopped.
Which all goes back to the question you don't seem to be able to answer which is how do you accomplish taking out hammas?
Because isreal "stopping funding them" is not going to achieve that. If that's even an accurate representation of the facts(having a link doesnt make it true, it might be but id have to do more comparitive research with many different sources to determine that). Iran has alot of money that they've been giving to hammas for years.
Israel effectively controls every way in and out of Gaza, to the point where the IDF has boarded foreign vessels en route to Gaza. They control who gets in and out. And they allowed suitcases full of cash to make their way through Qatari intermediaries, as part of a strategy to strengthen Hamas and prevent (more) peaceful organizations from taking power in Gaza.
Second, if you have read this thread, you would know that I do, in fact, have a solution: Fortify the border, and stay on their side of it. Both of which are actions that Israel has failed to do. Instead, Israel (a) funds terrorists in an effort to prevent a two state solution and (b) sends armed settlers/human shields into Palestine to seize land in an effort to justify repeated atrocities. Something that they have just stepped up in the West Bank, as per my previous post.
Third, if you had read the thread, you would know that I have, in fact, condemned the actions of the religious zealots on both sides of the war. Unfortunately, one of those religious zealots is a lot more violent than the other, mostly because they have the military capacity to do more violence.
The leadership of Israel and Hamas agree on one thing: There should not be a two state solution, and there should be a genocide. They simply disagree on who should survive that genocide.
Hamas does not need to "be taken out". Hamas is a terrorist organization. They are a hydra, and they cannot be taken out by violence. You do not fight a hydra, you starve it. The US learned this over two decades in Afghanistan. They survive on fear and hate. It is very hard to fear and hate an unknown entity on the other side of a border. It is very easy to fear and hate a militant group of violent assholes who have a tendency to shoot civilians across said border for fun. Remove the fear and hate, give people the ability to live their own lives and improve their surroundings, and they will not turn to martyrdom. When you have nothing to live for, the next best thing is to find something to die for.
Israel does not want this to happen. Which is why they control the borders of Gaza, and inflame that fear and hatred.
The problem with my approach is that the terrorism just kinda goes away over time. It doesn't come with a pile of bodies and a "mission accomplished" banner. What it does do, however, is actually solve the problem.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
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Well at least it's a good argument but I don't believe just having a strengthened border is going to just make hammas go away over time. I think that's incredibly naive. Granted isreals intelligence failed massively. They could certainly use a better position there. But hammas has repeatedly vowed to not stop attacking until isreal is completely defeated. To me it's starting to sound like Trump saying we can stop all illegal immigration by putting up a wall. Guess what? You put up a wall and they will climb over it, tunnel under it, fly over it, blow it up, find sympathizers working border control to look the other way etc etc etc. I don't see that as a viable option at all. For me personally I see terrorists as people who aren't inclined to just "give up" because you secured a border as best as you could.
We don't see eye to eye there. But let me ask you a question and don't bite my head off because I haven't had time to read a 70 page thread let's just talk.
Now let's talk about the hostages. How do you get the hostages back without giving into the terrorists demands? I believe the last thing you want to do with terrorists is to validate that terror attacks yields results in getting what you want.
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You don't. The hostages are fucked. That decision was made a long time ago. Israel isn't gonna be getting them back anyway. And what hostages they do get back, those hostages are gonna be pretty much PTSD-addled vegetables anyway. Good for taking a picture of in front of a "mission accomplished" banner, but they will never again be members of society. "Homeless crackhead" or "sad suicide" are probably their best outcomes.
That's the really big issue here. You gotta be willing to turn the other cheek. Do the Jesus thing.
And I don't think Hamas is gonna stop. Hamas will do whatever the fuck it can, until it runs out of options. That's the whole point of starving the hydra. Hamas, just like every other terrorist/government/whatever organization, needs support. They need money to fund attacks. They need fresh soldiers to carry out those attacks. Every single time Hamas carries out an attack, they expend resources. They expend manpower.
That's what needs to be cut off. Resources and recruits. Those two things tie into each other. See, if I was some Palestinian kid, who knows their life is controlled entirely by a foreign government which manages the open air prison I live in, where I am a second class citizen, and I come home to my entire family and home being blown up by an Israeli air strike, then I am gonna be a *great* recruit for Hamas. That's how religious groups recruit. This is true for all religious groups. They either (a) brainwash their own kids or (b) prey on people who have gone through a recent traumatic experience and are looking for any kind of support. That's why you don't see street preachers in the rich part of town.
Option (a) does not provide a 100% conversion rate. Option (b) fills in the gaps.
Now, if you don't do the trauma, you remove a big portion of the Hamas recruiting pipeline. Give people hope for the future, by not housing them in an open air prison, and they won't look for meaning in death. A martyr is someone who has decided that their death at that moment would be worth more than their entire future life could ever be.
Then you just wait for Hamas to run out of recruits, and cease to exist on its own. It's a long process. Society progresses one funeral at a time.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
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The only other option is no survivors. No orphans to remember what you did to their family. Nobody left to seek revenge.
Anything else just repeats the cycle in another few years.
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Although most discussions throughout the years come down to what governments should be doing " the right thing" hell, even the humane thing.....the fact will always remain that altruism and nation building (and maintaining) do not occupy the same space.
Does anyone really believe that if Ben said, " Hey you know what, we fucked you here is half our land". That Hammas would stop? Or vice versa?
Hell no. The nation/ governance will always do whats in its best interest. For Hamas, that was slaughtering innocents in an ambush. For Israel, that's blowing the shit out of them, innocents included. The only thing that seems remotely possible is to somewhat diminish these actions, and even then, most times it's fruitless.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
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Kryptos said: The leadership of Israel and Hamas agree on one thing: There should not be a two state solution, and there should be a genocide. They simply disagree on who should survive that genocide.
It's clear Hamas doesn't want a two state solution based on their charter. Israel doesn't have such a thing. Show me where they've made it clear they do.
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Kryptos said: Hamas does not need to "be taken out". Hamas is a terrorist organization. They are a hydra, and they cannot be taken out by violence. You do not fight a hydra, you starve it. The US learned this over two decades in Afghanistan. They survive on fear and hate. It is very hard to fear and hate an unknown entity on the other side of a border. It is very easy to fear and hate a militant group of violent assholes who have a tendency to shoot civilians across said border for fun. Remove the fear and hate, give people the ability to live their own lives and improve their surroundings, and they will not turn to martyrdom. When you have nothing to live for, the next best thing is to find something to die for.
Israel does not want this to happen. Which is why they control the borders of Gaza, and inflame that fear and hatred.
The "entity" of Hamas isn't completely unknown to Israel. They can do some damage to it with the knowledge they have, such as the hospital covers the main HQ. They can cripple Hamas so their next attack takes years...
Also, I disagree that if you remove the fear and hate the people would not turn to martyrdom... they literally believe in martyrdom with their religion (Islam).
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I bet if it were your wife, mother, sister, father brother etc being held hostage your position on the hostages wouldn't be: Don't save them let them get beheaded they're fucked and there's absolutely nothing we can do about it. I think that's a giant crock of shit.
I do agree that with every bombing they create more hammas recruits I get where you're coming from there and I belive if we could back in time isreal shouldn't have bombed civilians but we don't have a time machine. Isreal did what they did and now there's about 2 dozen countries worth of people that could be easily recruited once you kill higher ups. But to suggest dismantling and killing the higher ups in hammas does absolutely nothing and the people who replace them will be just as competent and stay as strong as ever and that they won't fear being next I think is not realistic.
And then to suggest you just let hundreds and hundreds of innocent hostages be beheaded,tortured,enslaved essentially and they're just "fucked" and there's absolutely no way to rescue them is ridiculous and completely devoid of sympathy for the families of those people because you hate how isreal has conducted themselves so you're willing to forfeit their lives. If they get beheaded so what? as long as isreal doesn't retaliate at all you're happy with it.
That's saying hammas doesn't need to be held accountable for their crimes and there's 0 recourse to hold them to accountability and save those lives that THEY abducted.
Again if it were your country and your family I guarantee you wouldn't just accept that your mother is just fucked and no one should even try and rescue her.
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Kryptos said: The leadership of Israel and Hamas agree on one thing: There should not be a two state solution, and there should be a genocide. They simply disagree on who should survive that genocide.
It's clear Hamas doesn't want a two state solution based on their charter. Israel doesn't have such a thing. Show me where they've made it clear they do.
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Kryptos said: Hamas does not need to "be taken out". Hamas is a terrorist organization. They are a hydra, and they cannot be taken out by violence. You do not fight a hydra, you starve it. The US learned this over two decades in Afghanistan. They survive on fear and hate. It is very hard to fear and hate an unknown entity on the other side of a border. It is very easy to fear and hate a militant group of violent assholes who have a tendency to shoot civilians across said border for fun. Remove the fear and hate, give people the ability to live their own lives and improve their surroundings, and they will not turn to martyrdom. When you have nothing to live for, the next best thing is to find something to die for.
Israel does not want this to happen. Which is why they control the borders of Gaza, and inflame that fear and hatred.
The "entity" of Hamas isn't completely unknown to Israel. They can do some damage to it with the knowledge they have, such as the hospital covers the main HQ. They can cripple Hamas so their next attack takes years...
Also, I disagree that if you remove the fear and hate the people would not turn to martyrdom... they literally believe in martyrdom with their religion (Islam).
Yeah, and when you take away desperation, people lose their religion. Religion is hope for the hopeless. That's why Marx called it the opiate of the masses, and that's why countries with higher standards of living have more atheists.
I've given you several links pointing to Netanyahu saying:
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According to various reports, Netanyahu made a similar point at a Likud faction meeting in early 2019, when he was quoted as saying that those who oppose a Palestinian state should support the transfer of funds to Gaza, because maintaining the separation between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza would prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.
If you refuse to believe the words of the leader of Israel himself saying that he wants to prevent a two state solution, then there is no point discussing this with you.
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Seriously_trippin said: I bet if it were your wife, mother, sister, father brother etc being held hostage your position on the hostages wouldn't be: Don't save them let them get beheaded they're fucked and there's absolutely nothing we can do about it. I think that's a giant crock of shit.
You would lose that bet. That's one of those side benefits of ASPD.
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Seriously_trippin said: I do agree that with every bombing they create more hammas recruits I get where you're coming from there and I belive if we could back in time isreal shouldn't have bombed civilians but we don't have a time machine. Isreal did what they did and now there's about 2 dozen countries worth of people that could be easily recruited once you kill higher ups. But to suggest dismantling and killing the higher ups in hammas does absolutely nothing and the people who replace them will be just as competent and stay as strong as ever and that they won't fear being next I think is not realistic.
They've been doing that since 1948, and you think this time it's gonna magically work out?
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That's saying hammas doesn't need to be held accountable for their crimes and there's 0 recourse to hold them to accountability and save those lives that THEY abducted.
Again if it were your country and your family I guarantee you wouldn't just accept that your mother is just fucked and no one should even try and rescue her.
Hamas has claimed that at least 60 hostages have already been killed in friendly fire.
That's the thing about hostage rescue operations. Most don't make it. Especially because the last thing their guards will do prior to dying in a gunfight with IDF, is execute those hostages.
Saving hostages looks great for the cameras, but it doesn't actually do anything to solve the issue.
There are two solutions: let it happen and try to prevent it from happening again, or kill every last one of them. Anything less than that will generate more terrorists, and repeat the cycle. I think the former is the better solution, from a purely utilitarian standpoint. The lives of a few hundred hostages (I doubt more than a dozen native Israeli hostages will survive this even if the IDF carries out their mission perfectly), versus the lives of several million Palestinians, and thousands of IDF troops, as well as the rightful condemnation of Israel on the world stage.
But SirTripALot is right. Politics doesn't work that way. Israel has no interest in the future survival of the Palestinian people. Israel is trying to find a justification for the mass execution of every Palestinian. Then, they will turn their attention to the Islamic nations around them. Lebensraum, Manifest Destiny, God's Chosen, whatever you wanna call it.
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Kryptos said: It is true.
Here's Israel complaining about it.
Here's his own party talking about it:
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According to various reports, Netanyahu made a similar point at a Likud faction meeting in early 2019, when he was quoted as saying that those who oppose a Palestinian state should support the transfer of funds to Gaza, because maintaining the separation between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza would prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.
It does seem like Israel was/is giving money to Hamas. Are you saying they are still actively giving them money to this day? If no, when did they stop?
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Kryptos said: It is true.
Here's Israel complaining about it.
Here's his own party talking about it:
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According to various reports, Netanyahu made a similar point at a Likud faction meeting in early 2019, when he was quoted as saying that those who oppose a Palestinian state should support the transfer of funds to Gaza, because maintaining the separation between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza would prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.
It does seem like Israel was/is giving money to Hamas. Are you saying they are still actively giving them money to this day? If no, when did they stop?
They probably are. The only person that can answer that question is Netanyahu, and probably the Mossad operatives that do the dirt. Edit: assuming they don't die in a suicide with three bullets in the back of their heads, that is.
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Netanyahu definitely needs to go. He passed some law earlier this year that makes it super hard for the PM to get ousted, right?
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No, he tried to overhaul the Israeli judicial system to give Rabbinical Courts (read: far right orthodox Jews making rulings based on their interpretation of the Torah, instead of the actual laws of the land) significantly more power in the Israeli legal system.
Which almost certainly would have given him the right to rule indefinitely. Democracy isn't in the Torah.
But that wasn't the explicit goal. The explicit goal was to instill old testament law, Deuteronomy style.
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