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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28498030 - 10/09/23 06:32 PM (7 months, 4 days ago)

Yea, seems likely.
Israel has been airstriking Gaza quite hard in the last 24 hours.

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #28498036 - 10/09/23 06:38 PM (7 months, 4 days ago)

Those dang hippies should have known better than to be partying so close to so much suffering. :facepalm3:

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: mycosis]
    #28498040 - 10/09/23 06:42 PM (7 months, 4 days ago)

Hamas says it’s gonna start chopping off heads everytime israel bombs something in gaza


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: mycosis]
    #28498045 - 10/09/23 06:46 PM (7 months, 4 days ago)

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Those dang hippies should have known better than to be partying so close to so much suffering. :facepalm3:




Raver girl keeps filming as she runs in a hail of bullets, climbs over dead bodies and gets shot in the stomach. 

https://reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/s/rRERMko9jb


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: koods]
    #28498095 - 10/09/23 07:30 PM (7 months, 4 days ago)

that video is fuckced its like school shootings go jihadist.

i feel like that video could be a grim reality here in a few years maybe sooner just replace hamas militants with maga fatasses. i really hope not tho.

the idea of right winged religious lunatics shooting up a rave/concert really hits home for me. straight up terrorism:sad:

:mad2:


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: mushboy]
    #28498105 - 10/09/23 07:40 PM (7 months, 4 days ago)

I have heard of all of the  NSFW snuff terrorism videos around. Can't do it....apparently mutilation, rape, beheading are in abundance.

This is indeed a suicide mission from Hamas. Many high ranking Israelis have used the term"rubble" in all of their statements, I believe them. I think everything is on the table but nukes.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28498113 - 10/09/23 07:44 PM (7 months, 4 days ago)

yea, I also can't do it.
I have put no effort into finding this crazy videos showing the really intimate atrocities like rape or beheadings.
I don't think it would be good for me to see it.
I know what it'll look like.  it'll fuckin' haunt me.

I can handle the bombing videos, though.

Edited by lifeiswhatyoumake (10/09/23 07:45 PM)

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Milleresque] * 1
    #28498125 - 10/09/23 07:48 PM (7 months, 4 days ago)

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I just don’t understand what Hamas thought these acts would achieve, other than political support for the Israeli prime minister, who is an abomination. I just don’t get it. Who stands to benefit? What was Hamas end goal here?




Here is my best attempt at answering your questions.

Hamas are now playing in the big league and the ramifications of the raid are more geopolitical than local. The target audience were the sponsors of the Palestinian cause, who up til now had a few options for who to support - PLO, Fatah, Palestinian Islamic Jihad a.s.o. Hamas' military success has established them as the only outfit currently able to hurt Israel and the sponsors will have noticed.

Some Western media made a lot of the fact that the slaughter of the civilians will not look good in the eyes of the liberal West (who traditionally support Palestinians) but this is irrelevant. The West does not financially sponsor Hamas (the way they pump money into other Palestinian bodies) and the loss of "moral" support is of only symbolic value. The real competition is for hard cash which will allow Hamas to grow, and it was never going to come from the US or Germany. So, the goal of Hamas was not to militarily defeat the IDF or even make a political point but rather to take the maximum number of hostages and kill as many other Israelis as possible, to show to everyone that Hamas is the real deal and offers the best return on anti-Israel investments. 

Another aspect which is misunderstood in the West is the perceived brutality of the raid but, again, this can be easily explained. Much like ISIS in its hay day, Hamas is recruiting the frustrated, impoverished Muslim males through the Middle East and beyond with their version of jihad, which ticks all the boxes. It includes camaraderie, common cause, hard training, adventure, pillage, plunder, killing of infidels, rape, slave taking - all this while remaining a respected, pious Muslim. And if you fall while pursuing jihad you will become a martyr and go to heaven - so it is a win, win even then.

It not commonly appreciated (and the Western media will not touch this topic) but Hamas follow the desert warfare manual revealed by the warlord Muhammad in 7th century AD. First liberate the prisoners the other side in holding - thousands were released by Israel in exchange for the captured soldiers or their bodily remains in the past. It is the easiest way to recruit committed fighters. Then use deception to confuse the enemy as to one's true intentions. Attack when least expected and with maximum force, to wipe out the opposition. Take captives - both male and female - for prisoner swaps and also as property, according to Muhammad's instructions. For those who are not aware, Muhammad even clarified that the captured females can be raped only after their period - in case they are already pregnant - so this is a well codified affair.

Many in the West will find this proposition chilling but, again, this unease is conditioned by the cultural norms we have absorbed since childhood. Some contemporary Muslim commentators take a different view and see it as a compassionate act - taking care of the females who have been left without male protection (their men had been killed) and we may have to open up to this alternative view - in the name of tolerance and diversity.

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Metoo]
    #28498158 - 10/09/23 08:22 PM (7 months, 4 days ago)

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It not commonly appreciated (and the Western media will not touch this topic) but Hamas follow the desert warfare manual revealed by the warlord Muhammad in 7th century AD. First liberate the prisoners the other side in holding - thousands were released by Israel in exchange for the captured soldiers or their bodily remains in the past. It is the easiest way to recruit committed fighters. Then use deception to confuse the enemy as to one's true intentions. Attack when least expected and with maximum force, to wipe out the opposition. Take captives - both male and female - for prisoner swaps and also as property, according to Muhammad's instructions. For those who are not aware, Muhammad even clarified that the captured females can be raped only after their period - in case they are already pregnant - so this is a well codified affair.




That sounds like a hell of a stretch. Or at least a combination of basic bitch guerilla warfare tactics and "muh wemenz" hysteria tortured into a significantly anti-islamic take.

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Metoo] * 1
    #28498161 - 10/09/23 08:25 PM (7 months, 4 days ago)

“Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas,” Netanyahu told his Likud party’s Knesset members in March 2019. “This is part of our strategy.”



From Haaretz

https://x.com/haaretzcom/status/1711329340804186619?s=46&t=NCHEHEdgn4yG76LKXrSTrw




I wonder what he means by that! Oh well


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
    #28498176 - 10/09/23 08:41 PM (7 months, 4 days ago)

If you are uncomfortable with my analysis there is an alternative worldview you are free to adopt - as per the closing para of my post.

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Metoo]
    #28498256 - 10/09/23 09:47 PM (7 months, 4 days ago)


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Metoo]
    #28498270 - 10/09/23 10:00 PM (7 months, 4 days ago)

Israel are out of good options now and my prediction is will adopt the least bad one.

If they go ahead with the ground push, refugees will pour into Egypt which would cause mayhem. And force the Saudis to abandon the deal with Israel.

But they have to do enough to save face internally. It may end up with the usual aerial bombing, a few armed incursions on the edges and a new border walls with better sensors. Politically, this is all they will be able to afford.

Hamas have already won - but a heavy handed Israeli response would further extend the margin of victory.

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Metoo]
    #28498295 - 10/09/23 10:25 PM (7 months, 4 days ago)

I think its way to early to pick definitive winners and losers. The only success  Hamas has "won" is an ambush. The ramifications are still brewing.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28498304 - 10/09/23 10:31 PM (7 months, 4 days ago)

I did not mean a military win - this is obviously out of reach of Hamas at this point - but a PR score with those who matter. Paradoxically, from now on Israel's military advances - with the attendant collateral - will get them behind on most counts, not ahead.

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Metoo]
    #28498313 - 10/09/23 10:42 PM (7 months, 4 days ago)

Not sure if Hezbollah will join the party. The raid was clearly not co-ordinated with them - Hamas and Hezbollah compete for the same funding streams. But, given the Hamas success, Hezbollah has to prove its own relevance. They can do their own combined arms operation - takes time to prepare - or seize the opportunity and go in now.

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Metoo]
    #28498355 - 10/09/23 11:48 PM (7 months, 4 days ago)

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Not sure if Hezbollah will join the party. The raid was clearly not co-ordinated with them




Military analyst retired Colonel Darin Gaub does not agree.
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I was told over 24hrs ago that a senior member of the Iranian army was up in Lebanon helping plan and synchronize all this.






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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28498364 - 10/10/23 12:22 AM (7 months, 4 days ago)

Look, let's all be upfront, I think war with Iran will make Afghanistan look like a cake walk, and that was a disaster.

In a circle of violence and vengeance.

I think Hamas has to target Erdowan to have a pinch of a chance to topple him. Otherwise Gaza will be wiped.

It looks like some in America are chanting and trying to be hawks in neocon style for war with Iran.

So my question is, does anyone here think that war with Iran will be a productive enterprise?

It looks to me like countries without nukes are targeted by those that do.

Be it Russia in Ukraine, or the US when they inevitably invade or strike Iran.

Let's reflect back here when Iran nukes Erdowan.

They'll call it a strike from the gods, a single touch of his power to topple his enemy, at whatever cost. For Allah has willed it.

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Edited by sudly (10/10/23 12:35 AM)

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28498377 - 10/10/23 12:57 AM (7 months, 4 days ago)

Hamas did not co-ordinate with Hezbollah in a sense that there was no HB attack timed to coincide - this is a matter of record. The Hamas attack was probably created by Iran so no surprise their man was at hand to help run the op.

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Metoo]
    #28498385 - 10/10/23 01:17 AM (7 months, 4 days ago)

If my scenario eventuates, mid term we may be looking at the Gaza border becoming a DMZ type setup, with all kinds of walls, fences, trenches, minefields, tunnels, sensors and drones clashing in the middle.

The way I have time for the resourcefulness of the Ukrainians, the raid by Hamas was very, very well put together. It is scary how even modern militaries struggle against raids by commited combatants with hi-tech backup. DARPA's darling, drone swarms, are one answer but Israel do not have them.

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