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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: gww]
    #28497173 - 10/08/23 11:04 PM (7 months, 5 days ago)

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There is no getting around that killing over 200 civilians at a music festival can not be justified by acts of some government they don't like. They probably killed some of their own in this.  This is not the kind of accident that happens because people were around somebody important and it was collateral damage or one of their fire crackers malfunctioned and didn't go where the tried for it to go. 
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Hanlon's Razor is doing a lot of work right now stopping me from calling this Bibi's Reichstag Fire.

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #28497182 - 10/08/23 11:20 PM (7 months, 5 days ago)

Just here to follow the shit show :cookiemonster:


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: koods] * 1
    #28497205 - 10/09/23 12:39 AM (7 months, 5 days ago)

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Israeli editorial nails it






No argument here.

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: gww]
    #28497208 - 10/09/23 12:51 AM (7 months, 5 days ago)

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There is no getting around that killing over 200 civilians at a music festival can not be justified by acts of some government they don't like. They probably killed some of their own in this.  This is not the kind of accident that happens because people were around somebody important and it was collateral damage or one of their fire crackers malfunctioned and didn't go where the tried for it to go. 
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Civilian deaths on both sides are sickening, over 600 Israeli and close to 400 Palestinian.

The problem though;
High Israeli death tolls are considered shocking.
High Palestinian death tolls are considered normal.

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
    #28497210 - 10/09/23 12:53 AM (7 months, 5 days ago)

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The problem though;
High Israeli death tolls are considered shocking.
High Palestinian death tolls are considered normal.





The more you tell yourself this the more you'll start to believe it.

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: chopstick]
    #28497213 - 10/09/23 12:57 AM (7 months, 5 days ago)

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You don't need to be a rocket scientist to see that the US Gov goes out of its way to defend Israel even when they are flattening entire apartment buildings full of women and kids

Speaking of flattening apartment buildings, funny how Israel has been given a free pass on this for decades, they are doing it right now as we speak, but if Russia does it then we need to risk WW3 to stop it.





You leave out a very important detail here that makes your entire argument fall apart: Israel lets civilians know they are about to be bombed before they bomb them, giving the citizens time to escape.  Russia doesn't do the whole warning thing, they just bomb the buildings with the civilians inside.

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #28497216 - 10/09/23 01:03 AM (7 months, 5 days ago)

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List of US politicians as of 2018 with dual citizenship in Israel



Seems like a large representation from one particular party to me  :shrug:



Lmao so every Jewish person is automatically considered a dual citizen of Israel now and automatically has no agency of themselves and must support expanionist zionism? I hate to break it to you - but it's actually often the case American Jew's themselves do not have an all loving view towards Israel's governments actions. Nor do many people within Israel condone them.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: twighead]
    #28497224 - 10/09/23 01:16 AM (7 months, 5 days ago)

So what!
Many Israelis don’t like what their government does to Palestinians.
The U.S. government funds Israel and backs them no matter what atrocities they commit. Explain that while you’re laughing your arse off.

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #28497225 - 10/09/23 01:19 AM (7 months, 5 days ago)

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The problem though;
High Israeli death tolls are considered shocking.
High Palestinian death tolls are considered normal.





The more you tell yourself this the more you'll start to believe it.




Go find one article where the U.S. government has condemned Israel.

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28497227 - 10/09/23 01:26 AM (7 months, 5 days ago)

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So what!
Many Israelis don’t like what their government does to Palestinians.
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bruh that's exactly what I just said

It was in response to an image you posted that generalized every single jewish member of congress as 'holding dual citizenship' - and accusing them of holding conflicted interests by merit of ethnicity.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: twighead]
    #28497237 - 10/09/23 02:14 AM (7 months, 5 days ago)

I started to like this guy, and still do.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28497254 - 10/09/23 04:06 AM (7 months, 5 days ago)



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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Asante]
    #28497263 - 10/09/23 04:50 AM (7 months, 5 days ago)

Asante, I think I get it, but right now I’m not sure either party presently at war deserves to be weighed on so opulent a set of scales. Dull it down. WWJD?

News just in: Israel is imposing a “full blockade” of the Gaza Strip. If they’re talking an old school siege that would entail starving the entire population not yet displaced by the aerial strikes. And no where near all of those would be “terrorists”.  I hope they wont do that.

No power in Gaza at present. No food getting in. Where in the fuck are people meant to go? I’m just curious.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Milleresque]
    #28497294 - 10/09/23 06:17 AM (7 months, 5 days ago)

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Asante, I think I get it, but right now I’m not sure either party presently at war deserves to be weighed on so opulent a set of scales. Dull it down. WWJD?






WWJD? Remind people to look for the balance in things in deciding which side Fate will be on.

Its exactly in conflicts like this that actions should be weighed on the scales of Justice.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] * 4
    #28497314 - 10/09/23 06:48 AM (7 months, 5 days ago)

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You don't need to be a rocket scientist to see that the US Gov goes out of its way to defend Israel even when they are flattening entire apartment buildings full of women and kids

Speaking of flattening apartment buildings, funny how Israel has been given a free pass on this for decades, they are doing it right now as we speak, but if Russia does it then we need to risk WW3 to stop it.





You leave out a very important detail here that makes your entire argument fall apart: Israel lets civilians know they are about to be bombed before they bomb them, giving the citizens time to escape.  Russia doesn't do the whole warning thing, they just bomb the buildings with the civilians inside.




“Hey folks, you have 5 minutes to leave your home before we bomb it. Also, we have walled you inside a 25 sq mile area for the last half century, so there is nowhere to go anyway. Good luck!”


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28497320 - 10/09/23 06:55 AM (7 months, 5 days ago)

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List of US politicians as of 2018 with dual citizenship in Israel



Seems like a large representation from one particular party to me  :shrug:



This is just a straight-up lie.  Why would you post something obviously false like this?  I find it ironic when cryptonazis distinguish themselves from being anti-jew to anti-zionist by saying "not all jews align with Israel."  Then they equate being jewish with being a citizen of Israel with a photo like the one you posted.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Enlil] * 2
    #28497329 - 10/09/23 07:16 AM (7 months, 5 days ago)

Its an old ass dog whistle too. Even older than the state of Israel.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28497396 - 10/09/23 09:00 AM (7 months, 5 days ago)

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If anything, the way that the US is responding to the crisis in Israel just lends even more justification to the Russian operation in Ukraine.





That's one hell of a special pleading.





Lol, more Palestinian civilians are about to die over the next few weeks than have died in the ENTIRE WAR in Ukraine over the past almost 2 years.

And the US Government is going to be clapping and cheering, "Fuck yeah go Israel! Kill all those fuckin' animals!" the whole fucking time.

Of course, I know you are completely incapable as a human being of recognizing any kind of hypocrisy within anything, and you are happy to be one yourself, but for those of us who actually do care, it's obvious that this conflict makes the US position on Ukraine look like a fucking joke.

It's also proof that the Russians have indeed been waging a surgical war designed to reduce civilian casualties as much as possible this whole time.

Israel is about to show the whole world what it actually looks like to go full-on apeshit and kill as many civilians as you can just for the thrill of it. And they will do it to thunderous applause. Because remember, Palestinians aren't actually human, they're just subhuman animals.

The way that Israelis look at Palestinians is no different than how the Nazis viewed Jews. The only reason they aren't rolling out ovens and gas chambers for the Palestinians is because of the outcry it would cause. But apparently, bombing them to rubble is perfectly acceptable.

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: chopstick] * 4
    #28497420 - 10/09/23 09:32 AM (7 months, 5 days ago)

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But apparently, bombing them to rubble is perfectly acceptable.



The utter lack of self-awareness in a post calling out someone for the same.  Astonishing.  Really, Chops, you are special. 

I won't speak for others, but it should be clear that attacking civilians (unprovoked, in retaliation, as a terror method, provoked) by governments and other organized political groups (Hamas, controlled by Iran), is a disgusting tactic and should be dealt with thoroughly.  The fact that anyone thinks it is ever justifiable is disgusting.  When you make excuses for attacks on civilians, you legitimize that tactic to be used both against you, and by your government.  Governments and political rulers should not even be empowered to put criminals to death, let alone civilians. 

    Chops and SG, your continued support for civilian attacks in Ukraine leaves you no right to criticize Israel's treatment of Gaza.  If anything, your views in this seem to be antithetical to your stated reasons for supporting Russia's war.  You support the powerful, well funded nation in its efforts to regain its rightful historical territory through any means necessary, including bombing the citizenry to literal pieces.

Anyone who thinks Hamas has any intentions for the betterment of Palestinians is delusional.  The group is a proxy arm of Iran and Hezbollah, and their primary mission is determined by Iran for the benefit of Iran.  The Palestine people are a good source of recruits for them, largely due to Israel's atrocious and inhumane treatment of them.  When you deny people basic liberty and safety, it makes fertile breeding ground for extremist views.  All that said, Hamas is not concerned with the betterment of Palestinians, and the continued poor treatment of Gaza is beneficial to Hamas as a recruiting tool.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Ice9] * 1
    #28497479 - 10/09/23 10:41 AM (7 months, 5 days ago)



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