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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #28671638 - 02/22/24 04:00 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

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Rape leaves the victim feeling pain, embarrassment, and many other things.
Murder leaves the victim feeling nothing.




How merciful? What an abhorrent thing to say, as if murder has no consequence either.

Bombs maim too.





You're misreading what I'm saying.
Of course, murder has consequence.




You can equivocate murder and mercy if you want to.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Enlil] * 2
    #28671640 - 02/22/24 04:02 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

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I have it on DVD. 

Look, you think if we just pretend that Hamas aren't rapists and terrorists, Israel will back off and everyone will be friends.  If that's your solution, I can't even begin to support you on that.  My solution isn't much better, but at least it would end the problem for a significant amount of time.




Yeah…the problem is Israel won’t “back off” regardless of what Hamas does or doesn’t do. Hamas hasn’t existed since 1948, and they could disappear tomorrow and it wouldn’t change Israel’s intentions for the Palestinian people in the slightest. If it did, they wouldn’t have helped create Hamas in the first place.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: sudly]
    #28671641 - 02/22/24 04:03 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

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Every human will die.  Not every human has to live with the trauma of being raped.




You're extenuating the prepone of one's end of life.

Haven't you also thought about the trauma of living when loved ones have died?

Especially under brutal circumstances.



I'm not sure if you're trying to argue some moral position or appeal to some morality within me.  I have clearly stated my belief that the world would be better off with humans being extinct.  So, yeah...i've thought about it, but my solution is sudden universal death.  That way, no one feels the loss of anyone else.

Nonetheless, while people are alive, I would like to see as little suffering as possible.  Some suffering is unavoidable.  We will all lose people, and people will lose us.  Rape, on the other hand, is something that can be avoided to an extent.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28671642 - 02/22/24 04:04 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

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Yeah…the problem is Israel won’t “back off” regardless of what Hamas does or doesn’t do.



All the more reason to call out Hamas' evil. Declining to do so isn't going to change Israel's position.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
    #28671648 - 02/22/24 04:07 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

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Every human will die.  Not every human has to live with the trauma of being raped.




You're extenuating the prepone of one's end of life.

Haven't you also thought about the trauma of living when loved ones have died?

Especially under brutal circumstances.



I'm not sure if you're trying to argue some moral position or appeal to some morality within me.  I have clearly stated my belief that the world would be better off with humans being extinct.  So, yeah...i've thought about it, but my solution is sudden universal death.  That way, no one feels the loss of anyone else.

Nonetheless, while people are alive, I would like to see as little suffering as possible.  Some suffering is unavoidable.  We will all lose people, and people will lose us.  Rape, on the other hand, is something that can be avoided to an extent.




Without that ultimate solution, chipping away at lives only adds to the suffering of those left behind.

It sounds to me like you're more offended by the idea of deprevation of liberty rather than the complete removal of ones life.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: sudly]
    #28671651 - 02/22/24 04:10 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

Adds to?  I'm not sure that's true.  If it is, it doesn't add as much as you seem to be arguing.  Everyone will lose everyone in their life.  That's a given.  Murder might hit harder, but that doesn't necessarily mean the total suffering is increased. Maybe it is...maybe it isn't.  I can see it going either way.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
    #28671661 - 02/22/24 04:15 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

I'm not attached to a lot in this world, and I know my cat could fold over within the hour or year, but it'd suck if someone came over and preponed the process.

That's what I mean by adding to.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28671662 - 02/22/24 04:16 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

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I didn’t realize the second intifada suicide bombings was a movie.




As you no doubt saw me explain when I first called you out on this, the frequency of suicide attacks by Palestinians has been virtually nonexistent since 2008, and were incredibly infrequent before then.





yah I remember you minimizing and making false claims and deflecting just like now.


‘virtually nonexistent’ yet within easy reach you can find numerous examples.

Serial killers usually are not state sponsored either so your equivalency is hard to validate.

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: sudly] * 3
    #28671664 - 02/22/24 04:16 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

Your cat, unlike any human, is a net positive to the world.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
    #28671665 - 02/22/24 04:19 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

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Your cat, unlike any human, is a net positive to the world.




I may have to disagree.
Doesn’t fully apply to the pet cat. That’s kept inside. But it does apply to a lot of cats.

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
    #28671668 - 02/22/24 04:20 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

Scorned ey, I think of Anakin when I think of Enlil.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #28671672 - 02/22/24 04:23 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

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Yeah…the problem is Israel won’t “back off” regardless of what Hamas does or doesn’t do.



All the more reason to call out Hamas' evil. Declining to do so isn't going to change Israel's position.




Focusing the conversation on Hamas’ purported crime du jour deflects criticism away from Israel.

What are we gonna do? Put Hamas on the terror list a second time?  I feel like you’re smart enough to understand this.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
    #28671680 - 02/22/24 04:33 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

You've accepted that Israel isn't going to back down.  Certainly you don't think that defending Hamas will make that happen.  You know what might? Gaza removing hamas from power. Is that more or less likely when people pretend they aren't evil?


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
    #28671692 - 02/22/24 04:46 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

Israel isn’t backing down because the strongest nation on the planet is backing them up.

If we didn’t, they may have to concede some things. Either way, resistance groups exist because of Israel’s occupation. Ending Hamas won’t change that reality anymore than getting rid of Netanyahu (or Biden or Trump) will.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
    #28671698 - 02/22/24 04:55 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

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Gaza removing hamas from power.




I have the distinct feeling that this will require either the destruction of Israel as a political entity or the genocide of Gaza, considering Israel is very much interested in keeping hamas around.

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28671716 - 02/22/24 05:22 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

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Israel isn’t backing down because the strongest nation on the planet is backing them up.

If we didn’t, they may have to concede some things. Either way, resistance groups exist because of Israel’s occupation. Ending Hamas won’t change that reality anymore than getting rid of Netanyahu (or Biden or Trump) will.




Nancy Pelosi came out and said the weapons the US is sending to Israel have nothing to do with what Israel is doing...

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Pelosi also claimed that no U.S. hardware provided after Oct. 7 has been used in Israel's war in Gaza, contrary to the beliefs of many analysts. The U.S. has provided Israel with extensive lethal and nonlethal aid since the beginning of the war.

https://gazette.com/news/wex/pelosi-accused-of-hypocrisy-on-israel-gaza-war-you-own-this/article_8ab05bb2-0859-5807-963b-377a6bee6803.html




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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
    #28671725 - 02/22/24 05:31 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

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You've accepted that Israel isn't going to back down.  Certainly you don't think that defending Hamas will make that happen.  You know what might? Gaza removing hamas from power. Is that more or less likely when people pretend they aren't evil?




Support for hamas within Gaza grows as more Palestinians are killed. People aren't deradicalised when their families are blown up, often quite the opposite.

When the effect of bombing is more radicalisation, and the request is to deradicalise, it'd only be plausible for the Palestinians to do it without the explosive rain.

It only exacerbates the problem of radicalisation to have the number and ratio of civilian casualties were seeing.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: sudly]
    #28671741 - 02/22/24 05:49 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

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Nancy Pelosi came out and said the weapons the US is sending to Israel have nothing to do with what Israel is doing...

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Pelosi also claimed that no U.S. hardware provided after Oct. 7 has been used in Israel's war in Gaza, contrary to the beliefs of many analysts. The U.S. has provided Israel with extensive lethal and nonlethal aid since the beginning of the war.

https://gazette.com/news/wex/pelosi-accused-of-hypocrisy-on-israel-gaza-war-you-own-this/article_8ab05bb2-0859-5807-963b-377a6bee6803.html








I reckon the USA is doing that so Israel is prepared for an all-out attack from one of its neighbors.

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: sudly] * 2
    #28671752 - 02/22/24 05:56 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

Ask yourself what can really make people see beyond the closed, iron doors which are created from trauma, shutting oneself off from others, resorting to destruction? What can dissolve that which would lead people to want to destroy each other (in constant, necessitated retaliation that will go on forever until one is destroyed)?

:growshrooms:

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: sudly]
    #28671756 - 02/22/24 05:59 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

I hope that wasn't to be considered off topic or a derailment. Contrary to what some people believe, I do care about people everywhere facing terror and or pain. I want the wars to end. I have looked everywhere for something consistent. I have to agree with the shamans. Putin needs ayahuasca. So does Trump. Can you imagine if they did it?


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