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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: chopstick] 3
#28671582 - 02/22/24 03:33 PM (4 months, 2 days ago) |
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You also think that people are getting probation for raping 5 year olds. Your opinion is worth almost nothing.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Enlil] 1
#28671587 - 02/22/24 03:35 PM (4 months, 2 days ago) |
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No it means I’m not culpable for what Hamas does or doesn’t do.
And entertaining theories about whether they did or didn’t do one of the most visceral crimes imaginable does nothing to change whether they’re on the right or wrong side of this conflict.
I havent kept up with all 237 pages of this thread but it seems to me that a majority of it has been a discussion of whether Hamas (and therefore the Palestinian people as a whole) has done XY or Z that’s been claimed they did.
We had more discussion about stareatcloud’s meltdown than we did about the ICJ ruling.
All this back and forth about claims about rape do is distract from the real issue and play off Western racial biases.
Mushboy said he can’t support the Palestinian struggle because of suicide bombings. Palestinians don’t even do this lmao, he just saw a movie where Arabs blew themselves up and decided they all do this.
And like I said a few pages ago, nobody gives a shit about the Palestinian women and girls getting sexually assaulted whilst being detained without trial for imagined “crimes.” So no I don’t believe you when you say this is a such a sticking point because you care deeply about people being raped. You care about it because the coordinated media blitz told you to, and you’d rather keep flailing than admit you’ve been duped.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Enlil] 1
#28671592 - 02/22/24 03:40 PM (4 months, 2 days ago) |
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Enlil said: Alright then...I see you're just going to avoid the question because you know very well that Hamas soldiers raped someone during that attack. You seem content to turn a blind eye to evil when it's perpetrated by your chosen side. When it's perpetrated by the other side, however, you'll scream from the rooftops about it.
You literally said you care more about rape than murder?
I'm not sure that leaves you with a leg to stand on here.
It seems to me you're just calling rape more evil than murder and leaving it at that.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: sudly]
#28671595 - 02/22/24 03:41 PM (4 months, 2 days ago) |
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Rape leaves the victim feeling pain, embarrassment, and many other things. Murder leaves the victim feeling nothing.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#28671599 - 02/22/24 03:42 PM (4 months, 2 days ago) |
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Whether you know it or not, you don't get to decide what the "real issue" is. There are many different perspectives here, and different people are going to find different aspects to be more important than others. The political leader of the Palestinian people attacked civilians of another nation. This is a horrific evil that should be condemned. The political leader of Israel attacked, and continues to attack, civilians of another nation. This, too is a horrific evil that should be condemned. I'm glad you feel that the lack of your taxpayer dollars leaves you only culpable for one side, but frankly...your culpability is completely irrelevant to everyone in the world except you.
It's perfectly acceptable to recognize that Hamas is evil AND that attacking Gaza is evil.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: sudly] 1
#28671606 - 02/22/24 03:44 PM (4 months, 2 days ago) |
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I don’t know how else to put that this is a political ploy that demonize Palestinians and distract from the proper conversation regarding apartheid, illegal settlements, ethnic cleansing, etc.
Even IF Hamas raped women on October 7, it doesn’t change those facts. It’s just an excuse to let Israel do whatever it wants in retaliation. Notice that nobody really bothers with condemning Hamas for sneak attacking a bunch of soldiers and settlers and killing them, because killing your oppressor is something even white people can sympathize with. But rape? Now that’s beyond the pale (literally), something only a savage brown people would do. Suddenly it’s not so hard to justify collective punishment against them.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: sudly]
#28671607 - 02/22/24 03:45 PM (4 months, 2 days ago) |
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It seems to me you're just calling rape more evil than murder and leaving it at that.
Rape is more evil than murder, but that's not really the point here. I'm not balancing evils between the two sides. I'm trying to expose the hypocrisy in defending evil on one side while condemning it on another. Despite what seems to be a universally accepted axiom here, one does not need to choose a side in this war. Both sides are evil.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#28671610 - 02/22/24 03:48 PM (4 months, 2 days ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: But rape? Now that’s beyond the pale (literally), something only a savage brown people would do.
What an incredibly ignorant position. People of all races have been using rape as an instrument of war for as long as we've existed. The Japanese raped with assembly-line efficiency during WWII. Americans have been raping women around the globe since at least WWI.
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lifeiswhatyoumake said: Rape leaves the victim feeling pain, embarrassment, and many other things. Murder leaves the victim feeling nothing.
How merciful? What an abhorrent thing to say, as if murder has no consequence either.
Bombs maim too.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Enlil] 1
#28671615 - 02/22/24 03:50 PM (4 months, 2 days ago) |
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Enlil said: Whether you know it or not, you don't get to decide what the "real issue" is. There are many different perspectives here, and different people are going to find different aspects to be more important than others. The political leader of the Palestinian people attacked civilians of another nation. This is a horrific evil that should be condemned. The political leader of Israel attacked, and continues to attack, civilians of another nation. This, too is a horrific evil that should be condemned. I'm glad you feel that the lack of your taxpayer dollars leaves you only culpable for one side, but frankly...your culpability is completely irrelevant to everyone in the world except you.
It's perfectly acceptable to recognize that Hamas is evil AND that attacking Gaza is evil.
Most leaders of most nations on earth agree with me about what the issue is.
But you’re right let’s put a pause on the discussion of genocide to see if someone might’ve been raped on Oct 7.
As far as culpability goes, sure, nobody gives a shit about what some dude on the shroomery has to say, but I’d say this mentality that both sides are bad is only giving our government (and by extension Israel’s) cover to continue down this path.
We’ve already declared Hamas to be a terrorist organization. We are already arming and funding the destruction of the Palestinian people. We are already giving diplomatic cover for Israel’s illegal settlement projects. And so long as the conversation is “what crimes do we think Hamas might have done this week,” that won’t ever change.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#28671617 - 02/22/24 03:50 PM (4 months, 2 days ago) |
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I didn’t realize the second intifada suicide bombings was a movie.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: sudly]
#28671618 - 02/22/24 03:50 PM (4 months, 2 days ago) |
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Every human will die. Not every human has to live with the trauma of being raped.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#28671619 - 02/22/24 03:51 PM (4 months, 2 days ago) |
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Comparing Hamas to Emmett Till is super accurate
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#28671620 - 02/22/24 03:52 PM (4 months, 2 days ago) |
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You think things will change if we pretend Hamas are pure love and sunshine?
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Psicomb]
#28671623 - 02/22/24 03:53 PM (4 months, 2 days ago) |
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Psicomb said: Comparing Hamas to Emmett Till is super accurate 
Well...you've seen the videos...You saw what they were wearing...
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
#28671624 - 02/22/24 03:54 PM (4 months, 2 days ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: But rape? Now that’s beyond the pale (literally), something only a savage brown people would do.
What an incredibly ignorant position. People of all races have been using rape as an instrument of war for as long as we've existed. The Japanese raped with assembly-line efficiency during WWII. Americans have been raping women around the globe since at least WWI.
Right because these appeals are employed with the understanding that the audience will approach them with a rational, logical understanding of historical precedent.

Are you really gonna argue that the stereotype of dark skinned savages raping white women isn’t a pervasive theme in Western media? Would you like to know what the first 12-reel American film was about?
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: sudly]
#28671627 - 02/22/24 03:56 PM (4 months, 2 days ago) |
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lifeiswhatyoumake said: Rape leaves the victim feeling pain, embarrassment, and many other things. Murder leaves the victim feeling nothing.
How merciful? What an abhorrent thing to say, as if murder has no consequence either.
Bombs maim too.
You're misreading what I'm saying. Of course, murder has consequence.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: mushboy] 1
#28671631 - 02/22/24 03:57 PM (4 months, 2 days ago) |
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mushboy said: I didn’t realize the second intifada suicide bombings was a movie.
As you no doubt saw me explain when I first called you out on this, the frequency of suicide attacks by Palestinians has been virtually nonexistent since 2008, and were incredibly infrequent before then.
It would be like saying you can’t support America because we have serial killers.
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#28671636 - 02/22/24 03:59 PM (4 months, 2 days ago) |
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Enlil said: Every human will die. Not every human has to live with the trauma of being raped.
You're extenuating the prepone of one's end of life.
Haven't you also thought about the trauma of living when loved ones have died?
Especially under brutal circumstances.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#28671637 - 02/22/24 04:00 PM (4 months, 2 days ago) |
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I have it on DVD.
Look, you think if we just pretend that Hamas aren't rapists and terrorists, Israel will back off and everyone will be friends. If that's your solution, I can't even begin to support you on that. My solution isn't much better, but at least it would end the problem for a significant amount of time.
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