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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: GenericHero]
    #28671495 - 02/22/24 02:22 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

I've known Ecstatic for a long time now.  I've seen him presume evil in people consistently for years...perhaps decades.  For some reason, on this issue, he contorts reality and words in an attempt to deny an obvious evil that occurred. 

This surprises me and has the potential to alter my perception of him.  I'm trying to figure out if he just wants to dance to avoid the truth, or if he truly believes the irrational.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
    #28671496 - 02/22/24 02:22 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

Argumentatively, who gives a shit if Hamas raped people? No one is or should be defending them. It's moot, obvious, pointless to pronounce.

It's just a distraction from facing the facts that point to how Israel isn't behaving judicially within the bounds of this evolving conflict.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
    #28671500 - 02/22/24 02:25 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

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I've known Ecstatic for a long time now.  I've seen him presume evil in people consistently for years...perhaps decades.  For some reason, on this issue, he contorts reality and words in an attempt to deny an obvious evil that occurred. 

This surprises me and has the potential to alter my perception of him.  I'm trying to figure out if he just wants to dance to avoid the truth, or if he truly believes the irrational.




I'll let you two dance then :thumbup:


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: sudly]
    #28671501 - 02/22/24 02:25 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

I do.  I give a shit when people are raped.  I care far more about that than I do people being killed, if I'm honest.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: sudly]
    #28671502 - 02/22/24 02:25 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

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Argumentatively, who gives a shit if Hamas raped people? No one is or should be defending them. It's moot, obvious, pointless to pronounce.

It's just a distraction from facing the facts that point to how Israel isn't behaving judicially within the bounds of this evolving conflict.





Lots of people care about the truth.  Rape is one of the worst things humans do to each other.  We need to hold rapists accountable.

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #28671509 - 02/22/24 02:28 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

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I do.  I give a shit when people are raped.  I care far more about that than I do people being killed, if I'm honest.




Kudos for the honesty.

I care as much for either.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] * 1
    #28671512 - 02/22/24 02:29 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

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Argumentatively, who gives a shit if Hamas raped people? No one is or should be defending them. It's moot, obvious, pointless to pronounce.

It's just a distraction from facing the facts that point to how Israel isn't behaving judicially within the bounds of this evolving conflict.





Lots of people care about the truth.  Rape is one of the worst things humans do to each other.  We need to hold rapists accountable.




Murderers too.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: sudly]
    #28671516 - 02/22/24 02:30 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

Definitely.  :nodofunderstanding:

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #28671556 - 02/22/24 03:12 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

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What're we trying to accomplish? Say Hamas absolutely is or isn't a rape organization or something?



Exactly...what ARE people trying to accomplish by claiming that rape didn't happen?




Simply pointing out how the governments and media involved in this conflict have repeatedly lied and misrepresented the facts in order to paint a narrative conducive to Israel’s continued genocide.

I get that semantics are like your Iwo Jima but it’s really beside the point.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28671558 - 02/22/24 03:13 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

Do you truly believe that not a single woman was raped during the Oct 7 attack?


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    #28671559 - 02/22/24 03:16 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

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I do.  I give a shit when people are raped.  I care far more about that than I do people being killed, if I'm honest.




And that’s exactly why they’re continuing to run with this story. Even lawyers can’t separate fact from fiction because it’s not a story you believe based on facts you believe it based on emotion.

And when it comes out that it is fiction, you’re either already frothing at the next atrocity porn or you’ve simply concluded “ah well… there was definitely at least one rape.”


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #28671562 - 02/22/24 03:17 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

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Do you truly believe that not a single woman was raped during the Oct 7 attack?




I’m sure there was a Gazan teenager getting groped in a prison cell for the crime of existing, yeah.

Probably at least one woman and one girl during those 24 hours.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28671563 - 02/22/24 03:17 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

Do you truly believe that there wasn't a single rape committed during the Oct 7 attack?  Don't play semantics.  I'm not asking whether any woman in the world was raped during that time period.  I'm asking whether any woman was raped as part of that attack.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #28671565 - 02/22/24 03:18 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)



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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic] * 3
    #28671566 - 02/22/24 03:21 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

Alright then...I see you're just going to avoid the question because you know very well that Hamas soldiers raped someone during that attack.  You seem content to turn a blind eye to evil when it's perpetrated by your chosen side.  When it's perpetrated by the other side, however, you'll scream from the rooftops about it.


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    #28671567 - 02/22/24 03:21 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

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Do you truly believe that there wasn't a single rape committed during the Oct 7 attack?  Don't play semantics.  I'm not asking whether any woman in the world was raped during that time period.  I'm asking whether any woman was raped as part of that attack.





Brother.

You started participating in this discussion quibbling over whether Biden said he’d seen evidence of terrorists beheading 40 babies or whether he’d said he’d seen evidence of terrorists beheading an unspecified number of babies.

Now semantics is an issue :lol:


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28671569 - 02/22/24 03:22 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

I didn't.  He never said he even saw a single picture.


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    #28671570 - 02/22/24 03:22 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

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Alright then...I see you're just going to avoid the question because you know very well that Hamas soldiers raped someone during that attack.  You seem fine turning a blind eye to evil when it's perpetrated by your chosen side.  When it's perpetrated by the other side, however, you'll scream to the rooftops about it.




My government isn’t funding Hamas.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28671573 - 02/22/24 03:24 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

And that lack of funding makes rape justifiable?  Or maybe the evil isn't important to you at all...you just want to save a buck?


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #28671581 - 02/22/24 03:32 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

I don't believe there were very many, if any, rapes on Oct 7th.

In any case, it doesn't matter that much because using it as justification for genocide is unwarranted regardless of whether or not it occurred.

A genocide is occurring, and our government is aiding and abetting it. By the way.

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