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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
    #28671375 - 02/22/24 01:03 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

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It's obvious that there were rapes.




How so?


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28671410 - 02/22/24 01:37 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

There is far too much credible evidence of rape occurring during the attack.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #28671414 - 02/22/24 01:39 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

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There is far too much credible evidence of rape occurring during the attack.




What credible evidence? I'm asking for Lynx, bruh...


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: SirTripAlot] * 1
    #28671417 - 02/22/24 01:41 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

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There was rape, according to the UN:


UN experts demand accountability for sexual torture during Hamas attacks
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https://www.reuters.com/world/un-experts-demand-accountability-sexual-torture-during-hamas-attacks-2024-01-08/


"The growing body of evidence about reported sexual violence is particularly harrowing," two U.N.-appointed independent experts said in a statement.




Evidence of reports? Pretty damning stuff


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #28671452 - 02/22/24 01:55 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

The last story you linked was denounced by the woman’s parents, saying there was never evidence of rape and that the Times investigation simply made it up and mislead them during their interviews.

https://mondoweiss.net/2024/01/family-of-key-case-in-new-york-times-october-7-sexual-violence-report-renounces-story-says-reporters-manipulated-them/


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28671457 - 02/22/24 01:57 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

That doesn't make the story any less true.  Nor does it make it any less likely that rape occurred. 

Just give a straight answer:  Do you honestly believe that not even one woman was raped in the October 7 attack?


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #28671459 - 02/22/24 01:58 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

Doctors Without Borders statement condemning US for veto of UN ceasefire resolution:

https://x.com/msf/status/1760707696444023126?s=46&t=NCHEHEdgn4yG76LKXrSTrw


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
    #28671460 - 02/22/24 01:58 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

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That doesn't make the story any less true.  Nor does it make it any less likely that rape occurred. 

Just give a straight answer:  Do you honestly believe that not even one woman was raped in the October 7 attack?




I know women were raped before and after October 7, just not the right kind of women.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28671461 - 02/22/24 01:59 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

Do you truly believe that not a single rape occurred during the October 7 attack?


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #28671471 - 02/22/24 02:08 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

Shifting the focus again, it's not far fetched at all to claim Hamas has raped their victims, and it's equally as not far fetched to say Israel has blown women up.

Rape isn't inherently more horrendous than civilian casualties. They're both horrid and one doesn't make the other lesser.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Enlil] * 3
    #28671474 - 02/22/24 02:09 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

I haven’t seen evidence of one, considering the track record of false claims made by the people who’ve invented them thus far.

I wouldn’t be surprised if it did happen. I just know that the coordinated media blitz thus far is a deliberate political ploy to drum up the white fear of the savage hordes taking white women in order to secure sympathy and a blank check from Western audiences. On top of that, I’m taking each crocodile tear with a giant grain of salt when it’s been PROVEN (not reports of stories of claims of bystanders) that Palestinian women (and children) are raped at the hands of the IDF and there are no presidential statements, no Pulitzer Prize winning journalist investigations, no Hillary Clinton symposiums, or anything else to bring attention to the latter.

“Ok but all that aside, it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen”


Ok sure this is the same line people use every time our government decides to do some ghastly shit. “Eh who care, Saddam still needs to go.”


I mean, how many Israeli women would have to have been raped on October 7th to justify Israel’s response? Ostensibly, President Biden believes there were a shitload of them and still says Israel’s response has been “over the top.”

This is the same shit that got Emmit Till killed in this country like 70 years ago and it’s great because it never stops working. We don’t need to talk about apartheid or genocide, we can scare ourselves about dark skinned people raping OUR women and let the chips fall where they may.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Enlil] * 2
    #28671476 - 02/22/24 02:12 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

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There is far too much credible evidence of rape occurring during the attack.




What credible evidence? I'm asking for Lynx, bruh...



https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/18/evidence-points-to-systematic-use-of-rape-by-hamas-in-7-october-attacks
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-sexual-assault-gaza-war-87f6d5405af01ed63f6689d96638a9fd
https://apnews.com/article/sexual-assault-hamas-oct-7-attack-rape-bb06b950bb6794affb8d468cd283bc51
https://www.factcheck.org/2023/10/what-we-know-about-three-widespread-israel-hamas-war-claims/
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_and_gender-based_violence_in_the_7_October_attack_on_Israel
https://www.bostonherald.com/2024/02/21/rape-and-sexual-assault-took-place-during-hamas-attack-israeli-association-says/
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/hamas-terrorists-systematically-and-intentionally-committed-sexual-violence-during-oct-7-attack-report/ar-BB1iF2Lr
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html




This is one of those semantics things. "...credible evidence of rape during the attack." Sure. Enough to make some kind of rule? I don't think so. Fact check link says of the 150 people interviewed by nyt an unspecified number of them are said to have seen 30+ bodies with their legs spread. Some women had a broken pelvis. The pathologist in the article couldn't tell whether babies had lost their heads to a cutting tool or an rpg. A body with legs at 4 and 7 though, totally rape.

What're we trying to accomplish? Say Hamas absolutely is or isn't a rape organization or something?


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28671477 - 02/22/24 02:12 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

You keep answering every question except the one I asked.

Do you truly believe that not a single woman was raped during the October 7 attack?


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: sudly]
    #28671478 - 02/22/24 02:13 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

There are many facets in war.  You can't focus on them all simultaneously.

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: GenericHero] * 3
    #28671482 - 02/22/24 02:15 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

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What're we trying to accomplish? Say Hamas absolutely is or isn't a rape organization or something?



Exactly...what ARE people trying to accomplish by claiming that rape didn't happen?  Anyone with any level of common sense knows that it did.  There is far too much evidence.  What is the agenda to be served by denying that reality?


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
    #28671487 - 02/22/24 02:18 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

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You keep answering every question except the one I asked.

Do you truly believe that not a single woman was raped during the October 7 attack?




I think he did. "I wouldn't be surprised..."


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: GenericHero]
    #28671488 - 02/22/24 02:19 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

It's a simple yes or no question.  "I wouldn't be surprised" is neither yes nor no.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: GenericHero]
    #28671489 - 02/22/24 02:19 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

What the point of participation if all you care about is how correctly people are using their terms?


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #28671492 - 02/22/24 02:20 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

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What're we trying to accomplish? Say Hamas absolutely is or isn't a rape organization or something?



Exactly...what ARE people trying to accomplish by claiming that rape didn't happen?  Anyone with any level of common sense knows that it did.  There is far too much evidence.  What is the agenda to be served by denying that reality?





I would say their agenda is to paint a narrative that their side is good and Israel is bad.  Goin' for the caveman logic approach that involves no critical thinking.

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