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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] * 1
    #28623189 - 01/16/24 09:37 AM (11 days, 11 hours ago)

I'm a fan of Israeli electronica.

I was deeply upset by the Rave Massacre.

I rather like a lot of Israeli research into things like desert gardening and Cannabinoids.

I have a strong dislike for people who want to destroy Israel, that's what I am trying to express here.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] * 2
    #28623191 - 01/16/24 09:38 AM (11 days, 11 hours ago)

I think Bibi is a terrorist though, I can even show the association between Irgun and Likud.

I think we agree about a few things.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #28623217 - 01/16/24 09:59 AM (11 days, 11 hours ago)

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Israel is not under threat of genocide





how can you say israel isnt under threat of genocide when many groups have death to jews as a political/cultural/religious slogan?

is the rhetoric supposed to be ignored because the 'threat' isnt real enough for some?

its not like death to jews only came about after may 1948. genocide against jewish people has been going on for awhile in case you didnt know.




Israel is not synonymous with Jews.

Regardless, yeah, just because some militant factions say ‘Death To Israel’ doesn’t mean there’s a Krystalnacht happening.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Nillion] * 1
    #28623219 - 01/16/24 10:00 AM (11 days, 11 hours ago)

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how can you say israel isnt under threat of genocide when many groups have death to jews as a political/cultural/religious slogan?




Yup.

Israeli lives are constantly being threatened with eradication.

I can't justify what is being done in Gaza but Israel and its people have a right to exist just like others do.

Hamas literally wants to commit genocide, that's the agenda they admit. It's not okay and something does have to be done about that, though I don't like the current approach, I still support Israeli rights. As well as Palestinian rights.

At this point Hamas and the Houthi Movement are on the wrong side of history, so to speak.







Actually you are wrong and that’s an extremely stupid argument.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28623225 - 01/16/24 10:05 AM (11 days, 11 hours ago)

how many antisemitic arabs have you personally encountered in your life?

im asking because you are defining israel through our rosy lense of arm chair politics.

the palestinian kids i grew up with were outspoken against any jew.

those were just my experiences but none of them took the time to make the distinction you are making.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #28623233 - 01/16/24 10:14 AM (11 days, 10 hours ago)

The difference is that Palestinian kids get bombed to death by the thousands while jews are not in any real danger.

Pretty simple, really.

Just because people have opinions that Israelis don't like doesn't mean they are in any serious danger lmao.

They have self-created all of their own problems. All they had to do was give up the racism towards arabs and treat the Palestinians as equals and none of this would be happening. Even now they could take this path but this would require admitting to their own faults, so they won't.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: chopstick]
    #28623238 - 01/16/24 10:18 AM (11 days, 10 hours ago)

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The difference is that Palestinian kids get bombed to death by the thousands while jews are not in any real danger.

Pretty simple, really.






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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: chopstick] * 1
    #28623266 - 01/16/24 10:32 AM (11 days, 10 hours ago)

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All they had to do was give up the racism towards arabs and treat the Palestinians as equals and none of this would be happening.




yah right. thousands of years of violence and death would stop if only israel wasnt racist.

bravo.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #28623287 - 01/16/24 10:47 AM (11 days, 10 hours ago)

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how many antisemitic arabs have you personally encountered in your life?

im asking because you are defining israel through our rosy lense of arm chair politics.

the palestinian kids i grew up with were outspoken against any jew.

those were just my experiences but none of them took the time to make the distinction you are making.




I don’t expect millions of children, imprisoned and ethnically cleansed by a state waving a flag with the Star of David on it, to have a rosy attitude towards Jews.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: chopstick] * 1
    #28623292 - 01/16/24 10:50 AM (11 days, 10 hours ago)

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The difference is that Palestinian kids get bombed to death by the thousands while jews are not in any real danger.

Pretty simple, really.

Just because people have opinions that Israelis don't like doesn't mean they are in any serious danger lmao.

They have self-created all of their own problems. All they had to do was give up the racism towards arabs and treat the Palestinians as equals and none of this would be happening. Even now they could take this path but this would require admitting to their own faults, so they won't.




It’s a matter of power.

I’m not gonna sit here and pretend that there isn’t deep seated animosity towards Jews, but I’m also not going to pretend that Israel doesn’t create (and thrive off of) antisemitism.

But Israel has the power to commit genocide, they say they want to commit genocide, and they are committing genocide.


But Houthis are commandeering shipping containers and people say mean things about Jews so obviously all of Israel’s actions are warranted, and they are the real victims here.


It’s such a stupid rhetorical game to watch a genocide unfold, claim it isn’t, and then turn around and say that, actually, Israelis are the ones facing extermination. Its a bad faith argument waged by people with room temperature IQs, one deployed only to obfuscate the issues.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28623301 - 01/16/24 10:56 AM (11 days, 10 hours ago)

'thats stupid'

'your dumb'

compelling.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: mushboy]
    #28623346 - 01/16/24 11:32 AM (11 days, 9 hours ago)

I thought I laid out my opinion on the matter pretty well.

It’s not worth my time to address this State Dept stenography as if it’s some compelling, original argument.

Kizzle thinks the Houthis are blowing up random ships because…..they’re Arab animals I’m guessing is the reasoning.

These are not serious arguments waged by serious people, and they don’t merit serious responses.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28623360 - 01/16/24 11:40 AM (11 days, 9 hours ago)

nah he didnt say that read closelyer.

he said if the houthis wanted to stop a genocide they could start by not having genocide as a state slogan ..among other things.

its rather hypocritical dont you think?


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kizzle]
    #28623383 - 01/16/24 11:54 AM (11 days, 9 hours ago)

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The Houthis are attacking ships and the US is trying to stop them.




I’ll admit, I didn’t put the Houthis messing up global shipping on my 2024 bingo card.

I’m not sure how it can be stopped though. If the anti ship missiles require specific facilities then those can be targeted, but I’ve read that they can be fired from a modified flatbed truck.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Skellies]
    #28623387 - 01/16/24 11:58 AM (11 days, 9 hours ago)

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The Houthis are attacking ships and the US is trying to stop them.




I’ll admit, I didn’t put the Houthis messing up global shipping on my 2024 bingo card.

I’m not sure how it can be stopped though. If the anti ship missiles require specific facilities then those can be targeted, but I’ve read that they can be fired from a modified flatbed truck.





The international community might have to target the Houthi areas where their leaders reside.  Gotta cut the snake off the head head off the snake :lol:


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: mushboy]
    #28623395 - 01/16/24 12:03 PM (11 days, 9 hours ago)

When the Houthis *try* and damage/sink ships in the Red Sea, its because of Iseralis, even though some ships are owned by the Brits? It's a lackluster, poorly executed, and vain attempt to have someone, ANYONE say they really care about the Palestinians when in actuality they could give a fuck. Same goes for the rest of the lot.

They should stop playing with firecrackers, the F18s are still playing nice.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28623415 - 01/16/24 12:19 PM (11 days, 8 hours ago)

So they’re starting a war with NATO for shits and giggles. Makes sense.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: mushboy]
    #28623421 - 01/16/24 12:22 PM (11 days, 8 hours ago)

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nah he didnt say that read closelyer.

he said if the houthis wanted to stop a genocide they could start by not having genocide as a state slogan ..among other things.

its rather hypocritical dont you think?




No I thinks it’s asinine.

Is there a genocide happening to Israel? No? Then how would the Houthis changing their slogan stop that?

This is just the brown people version of “if Black Lives Matter cared about black lives they should focus on gang violence.”


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28623438 - 01/16/24 12:32 PM (11 days, 8 hours ago)

No, lip service..... kinda like trying to be relevant with no actual means to do so. Same goes for Hezbollah, launch attacks, decry Iseralis and stay at homebase. If all of the Middle East is behind the Palestinians, why no united front? Hamas knew what was coming after attacking the Jewish state, why should they be any different?


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And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28623440 - 01/16/24 12:34 PM (11 days, 8 hours ago)

The Houthis just took control of Yemen despite their opposition being funded by the U.S. and Saudi Arabia.

I doubt they’re starting another war for attention.

“Why no united front?”

That’s a great question.

You’ll note that only the designated Evil Countries in the region have the balls to support Palestine. Jordan, Kuwait, UAE, Saudi, Qatar, Egypt, these are all monarchies that exist with the consent of the United States government (with the exception of Egypt; they’re a military coup government that’s got our backing).

Why would any of these royals put themselves in our crosshairs? They are literally kings and queens, only giving sparse rhetorical support for Palestine in order to maintain some semblance of domestic support. Arab populations overwhelmingly support Palestine, Arab royalty does not.


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