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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Blind Ass]
#28503336 - 10/13/23 02:22 PM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
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The Moscow mishap/tragedy (iirc) involved some fentalogue-like agent, or some other narcotic, maybe a sedative/hypnotic, idk. There are pages in books worth chems that can be used that aren't lethal, generally speaking - some with LD50s wrt Humans as such that it makes them almost fool-proof in that highly divergent dosage variance in the peoples affected when spread over large areas via aerosolized particles, using crop-dusting-like methods with drones, choppers, planes, grenades, or, in the food & water/drink supply etc - won't lead to nearly as much death.
Even if some get a ton and others maybe not as much, still enough hopefully to no longer be able to carry out their duties, may as well - beats forever being dead...usually in a highly unpleasant manner, too. 
Ahh, found it... Regarding the incicent in Moscow? A study published in 2012 concluded that it had been a mixture of carfentanil and remifentanyl.
Kinda idiotic a class of chemical to use like that - if you're trying to incapacitate yet be as non-lethal as possible - not to mention those specific substances themselves, and, mixed too - to use them like that in the area they did, I have to wonder if someone didn't do the mathz well enough...either on dispersion, distribution, and or duration/potency, etc etc. Who knows? But, when delivered as it was throughout the area of intended usage, even if they did calculate it out right...considering all of what else is available in the total arsenal of modern day pharmacopeia? Could've achieved incapacitation without casualties, unless some inside had serious health complications, or certain one's that don't mix well with any narcs of any kind, etc. Idk, it just seems like they made a ridiculous choice to me. 
Why use some of the most deadliest of pharma's chems known to easily kill a human with such tiny amounts that handeling the stuff is a pain in the fucking ass - lethal in what..the low ug range or something - even in healthy mature adults? lol...ayiyi.. I can kind of understand what they were getting at or what they were going for, still - bad choice compared to the one's i'd be crop-dusting those blood feuding mofos with rn if I could instead of killing them outright with whatever they're bound to get slaughtered with/by.  Anywho, That was in Russia, so...yeah, Russia...idk... 
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Some Evangelical Americans are batshit about Jesusland Jerusalem, also, likely would want to see it officially recognized as Israel's, if not their own, if they could. 
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The Holy Land Experience (HLE) was a Christian amusement park in Orlando, Florida and registered non-profit corporation. HLE conducted weekly church services and bible studies for the general public. HLE's theme park recreated the architecture and themes of the ancient city of Jerusalem in 1st-century Judaea.
Also, apparently there was another one like it beforehand sometime during the 60's located somewhere in CT, USA. Life's weird. 
My point was that pharmacology is a whole lot more complicated than "Lets drop some acid on them, dude!"
There is a reason that anesthetists and pharmacists go to school for a decade, and then make more money than the majority of doctors. And it's a goddamn good reason.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Ice9]
#28503341 - 10/13/23 02:25 PM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
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Ice9 said: What the fuck is "terriosm"?
Don’t try to be clever, it doesn’t suit you.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Asante] 1
#28503342 - 10/13/23 02:25 PM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
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chopstick said: JUST IN: Israel bombs a civilian convoy that was evacuating out of Gaza city, on the road they promised not to bomb
At least 70 killed and 200 injured.
I'd like to see this debunked, but its totally plausible.
For someone who hammers hard on the holocaust, the similatities with how the Palestinians are dealt with are very uncomfortable.
Same. And I almost agreed with choppy, until the whole "Israel is a cancer" bit at the end. I just don't get why the right wing nuts gotta be so insistent on creating enemies and equating them with disease and vermin.
Conservatism is a mental illness.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius] 1
#28503343 - 10/13/23 02:25 PM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
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Yes, I still remember it vividly when Israel was providing direct support to the ISIS terrorists that, at the time, still clung onto some Syrian territory near the Golan Heights.
They provided them with supplies, gave them air support, and medivac'd wounded ISIS terrorists to Israeli territory for treatment. There was actually an incident once where an Israeli ambulance with wounded ISIS terrorists inside was travelling through the Golan, but a local Druze tribe got word of it and stopped the ambulance, then proceeded to beat the wounded terrorists to death.
Israel did everything in its power to support ISIS and is responsible for many hundreds of thousands of dead outside of Israel as a result.
When ISIS was crushed and removed from its territory in Iraq & Syria, this was a major blow to Israel, and now we see a situation developing where the Resistance axis may finally be ready to confront Israel directly.
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lifeiswhatyoumake said: Do you happen to have video or pics of that happening? What time did it happen at? Any other details? I'm just trying to get all the facts and evidence we can. What road did this happen on?
No pics or video yet, but things are getting rough in Gaza now that power has been shut off, people's cellphones are dying with no way to recharge. They won't be able to document every single warcrime which of course is part of Israel's strategy.
That said, it could turn out not to be true. Anything is possible. But given Israel's long history of doing things like this, it's not exactly unbelievable.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: chopstick] 1
#28503346 - 10/13/23 02:27 PM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
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Failure to treat enemy combatants is a war crime.
Choppy is, quite literally, currently saying Israel wouldn't have to commit as many war crimes now if they committed more war crimes earlier.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
#28503353 - 10/13/23 02:36 PM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
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Ice9 said: What the fuck is "terriosm"?
Don’t try to be clever, it doesn’t suit you.
It's in quotes in the guys post. You'd do that when using a not common term that looks like it is misspelled, but want to make clear it is used correctly. I assume it has some connotation or meaning or "inside joke" term and was curious what it is.
Cleverer than you though
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
#28503359 - 10/13/23 02:40 PM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
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Kryptos said: Failure to treat enemy combatants is a war crime.
Choppy is, quite literally, currently saying Israel wouldn't have to commit as many war crimes now if they committed more war crimes earlier.
Gee I must’ve missed the Israel - ISIS conflict?
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Ice9]
#28503364 - 10/13/23 02:44 PM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
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Stable Genius said:
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Ice9 said: What the fuck is "terriosm"?
Don’t try to be clever, it doesn’t suit you.
It's in quotes in the guys post. You'd do that when using a not common term that looks like it is misspelled, but want to make clear it is used correctly. I assume it has some connotation or meaning or "inside joke" term and was curious what it is.
Cleverer than you though 
Looks like you’ve cracked the case all by yourself.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius] 3
#28503369 - 10/13/23 02:52 PM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
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I’m really starting to like this drop psilocybin gas on Gaza idea.
Gas the shit out of them then when everything starts to get chill and groovy parachute in on motorcycles and start raping and shooting.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: mycosis] 1
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: mycosis]
#28503428 - 10/13/23 03:39 PM (7 months, 23 hours ago) |
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mycosis said: I’m really starting to like this drop psilocybin gas on Gaza idea.
Gas the shit out of them then when everything starts to get chill and groovy parachute in on motorcycles and start raping and shooting. 
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#28503433 - 10/13/23 03:43 PM (7 months, 23 hours ago) |
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Gas the shit out of them then when everything starts to get chill
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
#28503451 - 10/13/23 04:04 PM (7 months, 22 hours ago) |
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Kryptos said: Failure to treat enemy combatants is a war crime.
Choppy is, quite literally, currently saying Israel wouldn't have to commit as many war crimes now if they committed more war crimes earlier.
Gee I must’ve missed the Israel - ISIS conflict?
You seem to miss a lot lately. For example, the fact that no ISIS-Israeli conflict needed to take place for Israeli medics to be obligated to follow the Hippocratic oath.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos] 2
#28503461 - 10/13/23 04:12 PM (7 months, 22 hours ago) |
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Kryptos said: Failure to treat enemy combatants is a war crime.
Choppy is, quite literally, currently saying Israel wouldn't have to commit as many war crimes now if they committed more war crimes earlier.
Haha. Hilarious. Good one. Oh wait, you're not joking? 
Israel didn't treat wounded terrorists out of the goodness of their fucking hearts or because they care about war crimes, dude. They did it to prop up their pet terrorist group which they used to terrorize multiple countries.
And let's be honest about these ISIS fighters. Every single one has murdered or tortured civilians in areas they occupied. Even if there were some who didn't engage in these acts, they were complicit in them. They did this with Israel's blessing. Israel treats them and sends them back out so they can do it again, instead of arresting them.
The brutality of Daesh is a reflection of the various state actors who created and supported them.
You see, this is why context matters.
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Same. And I almost agreed with choppy, until the whole "Israel is a cancer" bit at the end. I just don't get why the right wing nuts gotta be so insistent on creating enemies and equating them with disease and vermin.
Conservatism is a mental illness.
I feel bad for the Israelis who don't approve of their government policy and are forced to just watch this nightmare unfold without being able to do anything about it, but the reality is they are a minority.
The majority really do believe that the people they are killing are just "animals" that are inferior to them in every way and that to kill them all is the only way forward. And we see many Israeli protesters expressing these exact sentiments at protests and counter-protests all over the globe right now. They're not even slightly ashamed of it. And so I am not ashamed at all to say that their mindset is indeed cancerous.
Given that Israel was created off of stolen land and that it has supported every major terrorist group in the region in an effort to keep it permanently destabilized so they could remain the dominant power in the region, causing untold suffering in the process, then it is clear that Israel itself is the main source of instability in the Middle East.
I'm not advocating for Israel to be wiped out or for Hamas to go on a killing spree because they are "a cancer", but they will have to take responsibility for the things they have done sooner or later. Make no mistake, there will come a time when they are forced to do so.
Finally, it's ironic that you rag on me for "equating things with disease and vermin", but then you yourself go and do the exact same thing by calling conservatism a "mental illness". 
You are no better than I am.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: chopstick] 1
#28503471 - 10/13/23 04:20 PM (7 months, 22 hours ago) |
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The majority really do believe that the people they are killing are just "animals" that are inferior to them in every way and that to kill them all is the only way forward
Source might be nice for that claim.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Blind Ass]
#28503517 - 10/13/23 04:54 PM (7 months, 22 hours ago) |
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: chopstick]
#28503912 - 10/14/23 12:44 AM (7 months, 14 hours ago) |
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chopstick said: https://t.me/antinatocoalition/13021
JUST IN: Israel bombs a civilian convoy that was evacuating out of Gaza city, on the road they promised not to bomb
At least 70 killed and 200 injured.
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lifeiswhatyoumake said: Do you happen to have video or pics of that happening? What time did it happen at? Any other details? I'm just trying to get all the facts and evidence we can. What road did this happen on?
No pics or video yet . . .
That said, it could turn out not to be true. Anything is possible. But given Israel's long history of doing things like this, it's not exactly unbelievable.
I did a search into this claim of yours and the only thing I can find is that this claim was said by Hamas. No road name is given. No location of the bombing. No details at all.
This story doesn't sound real, unless some solid evidence comes out. Like the dead baby pics, if there's no evidence then the claim shouldn't be made.
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Israel is poised to genocide gaza.. the collective punishment here is blatant and anyone who doesn't see it is choosing not to.
No one would bat an eye if they said they were only going for Hamas, but they've said they're going for everyone.. 6000 strikes in 6 days..
Gaza has a population that's 40-50% under the age of 15. They've cut power and the bridge to Egypt, and are now telling a million people to move South by airdropping pamphlets because many don't have power to see the messages.
This is clearly turning towards genocide. No one serious can say otherwise at this point.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: chopstick]
#28503962 - 10/14/23 02:43 AM (7 months, 12 hours ago) |
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Kryptos said: Failure to treat enemy combatants is a war crime.
Choppy is, quite literally, currently saying Israel wouldn't have to commit as many war crimes now if they committed more war crimes earlier.
Haha. Hilarious. Good one. Oh wait, you're not joking? 
Israel didn't treat wounded terrorists out of the goodness of their fucking hearts or because they care about war crimes, dude. They did it to prop up their pet terrorist group which they used to terrorize multiple countries.
And let's be honest about these ISIS fighters. Every single one has murdered or tortured civilians in areas they occupied. Even if there were some who didn't engage in these acts, they were complicit in them. They did this with Israel's blessing. Israel treats them and sends them back out so they can do it again, instead of arresting them.
The brutality of Daesh is a reflection of the various state actors who created and supported them.
You see, this is why context matters.
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Same. And I almost agreed with choppy, until the whole "Israel is a cancer" bit at the end. I just don't get why the right wing nuts gotta be so insistent on creating enemies and equating them with disease and vermin.
Conservatism is a mental illness.
I feel bad for the Israelis who don't approve of their government policy and are forced to just watch this nightmare unfold without being able to do anything about it, but the reality is they are a minority.
The majority really do believe that the people they are killing are just "animals" that are inferior to them in every way and that to kill them all is the only way forward. And we see many Israeli protesters expressing these exact sentiments at protests and counter-protests all over the globe right now. They're not even slightly ashamed of it. And so I am not ashamed at all to say that their mindset is indeed cancerous.
Given that Israel was created off of stolen land and that it has supported every major terrorist group in the region in an effort to keep it permanently destabilized so they could remain the dominant power in the region, causing untold suffering in the process, then it is clear that Israel itself is the main source of instability in the Middle East.
I'm not advocating for Israel to be wiped out or for Hamas to go on a killing spree because they are "a cancer", but they will have to take responsibility for the things they have done sooner or later. Make no mistake, there will come a time when they are forced to do so.
Finally, it's ironic that you rag on me for "equating things with disease and vermin", but then you yourself go and do the exact same thing by calling conservatism a "mental illness". 
You are no better than I am.
Conservatism is a choice. Being Israeli is not.
Again, mental illness. Most people can understand the difference between choosing to be something and being born a certain way, but this nuance escapes conservatives. You're not the only that has trouble with the concept, enkidu thinks being against conservatives is bigotry.
I just think it's a sign of extremely poor decision making, and quite probably cruel intentions.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
#28503965 - 10/14/23 02:47 AM (7 months, 12 hours ago) |
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Isis has global aspirations, Hamas does not, they are engaged in a territorial dispute.
Isis does not equal Hamas here, they're both horrendous but they don't both have global aspirations, hence why these calls to get out of US cities because of Hamas terrorist threats is ridiculous.
Callis Hamas Isis or equating the two is literal propaganda that completely ignores the complexities or what each group aspires to do.
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