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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: SirTripAlot] * 1
    #28502955 - 10/13/23 08:32 AM (7 months, 1 day ago)

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What's my confirmation bias?




You're describing Palestinians as unstable, but having a Palestinian passport is a recipe for instability. Those who manage to figure something else out, or just happened to be in Jerusalem when the shit went down in 48, are implicitly excluded.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: SirTripAlot] * 1
    #28502966 - 10/13/23 08:45 AM (7 months, 1 day ago)

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If part of your charter for even being is to kill jews, me being just one of those simple thinkers mentioned above.  Simple is to remember that it only takes one to make war.




Yeah why did these idiot Palestinians occupy themselves and subject themselves to decades of indignity and humiliation? Are they stupid?

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Probably not.

I also don't believe the premise that every ill whether it be economic or social is all Israel's fault. As I stated before, the Palestinians have a tendency to become unstable by getting kicked out of numerous other countries.

To say that a rational response to this is to actively target a civilian populace in order to meet their end of self determination is ridiculous. Hamas already knew this, and didn't care. They have a fat chance in hell now because of this action.




I also don’t believe the premise that every ill whether it be economic or social is all Nazi Germany’s fault. As I stated before, the Jews have a tendency to become unstable by getting kicked out of numerous other countries.

To say that a rational response to their subjugation is to actively target the civilian population of Poland in order to meet their ends of self determination is ridiculous. The Jewish Partisans knew this, and didn’t care. They have a fat chance in hell now because of this action.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: B Traven]
    #28502980 - 10/13/23 08:59 AM (7 months, 1 day ago)

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What's my confirmation bias?




You're describing Palestinians as unstable, but having a Palestinian passport is a recipe for instability. Those who manage to figure something else out, or just happened to be in Jerusalem when the shit went down in 48, are implicitly excluded.





You need to read what I stated.

To be clear, being  kicked out of countries(like Jordon) makes the situation unstable. Tell me, if you were kicked out of any country, would that indicate stability or instability (whether you deserved it not)?


A confirmation bias includes  challenge avoidance. Where have I done that? You may disagree with what I state but that does not equate to confirmation bias. Additionally, I never brought up anything remotely about passports, you did. You have zero evidence to back this claim.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: SirTripAlot] * 1
    #28502997 - 10/13/23 09:05 AM (7 months, 1 day ago)

The EU is practically sinking migrant ships in the Mediterranean because they don’t want to deal with refugees they themselves created.

But the Islamic world is expected to just deal with the millions of refugees that Israel ethnically cleansed from its own borders. Not to mention they’re constantly incentivized by the most powerful nations in the region (and the world) to not take any meaningful action regarding Israeli occupation. Since 1967 at least.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28503005 - 10/13/23 09:12 AM (7 months, 1 day ago)

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If part of your charter for even being is to kill jews, me being just one of those simple thinkers mentioned above.  Simple is to remember that it only takes one to make war.




Yeah why did these idiot Palestinians occupy themselves and subject themselves to decades of indignity and humiliation? Are they stupid?

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Probably not.

I also don't believe the premise that every ill whether it be economic or social is all Israel's fault. As I stated before, the Palestinians have a tendency to become unstable by getting kicked out of numerous other countries.

To say that a rational response to this is to actively target a civilian populace in order to meet their end of self determination is ridiculous. Hamas already knew this, and didn't care. They have a fat chance in hell now because of this action.




I also don’t believe the premise that every ill whether it be economic or social is all Nazi Germany’s fault. As I stated before, the Jews have a tendency to become unstable by getting kicked out of numerous other countries.

To say that a rational response to their subjugation is to actively target the civilian population of Poland in order to meet their ends of self determination is ridiculous. The Jewish Partisans knew this, and didn’t care. They have a fat chance in hell now because of this action.





Nice fantasy. Seems like the Jews got some land....not so much for Palestine. Still waiting on your claim that Iseralis shot 10,000 people in 2018. Additionally, do you have a link for the Jewsih Partisans specifically targeting the civilian populace of Poland? I am genuinely curious.


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Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: B Traven] * 1
    #28503007 - 10/13/23 09:12 AM (7 months, 1 day ago)

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Hence, they really ought to have it internationally recognized that LSD missles and Psilocybin gas will be used liberally to restore primal non-dual awareness so that the silly thinking of 'us vs them' gets too blurred to mean anything anything meaningful anymore since everything's seen together in primordial unity or something, having superficial imputed differences become transparent to the mind's of those hit by the substances in sufficiently appropriate doses so that they simply no longer see the point in killing their fellow human family any longer over some dumb ape-man shit their ancestors did back in the day, and, relatives kinda kept doing on both sides up to the present day...look where it got them?




I don't believe LSD and mushrooms have this ability. Not to the extent that many people (here) do, at least. I very much used to be a "lets all smoke a doob together" kinda guy, but really drugs don't change your mind like that. Set and setting is important. And you must also remember that illicit drugs, as a young person, are also a social event. I think that the search for drugs is, itself, mind-expanding, because you are forced to interact with people who you likely considered dangerous criminals not long before.

Mass doping people will destroy their ability to act as a cohesive unit and effective fighting force, but it does not guarantee a kumbaya moment by any means.

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Human Rights Watch confirming Israel’s use of white phosphorus in Gaza and Lebanon:

https://x.com/hrw/status/1712573871596187916?s=46&t=NCHEHEdgn4yG76LKXrSTrw

Another war crime on to the pile, lads





White phosphorus is also used to mark targets, smoke screen, etc. It's not considered a chemical weapon although most often equate it to that. Just because it was used,  doesn't mean a war crime occured or didn't occur....it is the context. Good luck finding that out during a war.

I would rather take my chances around Willy Pete then be caught in the crossfire as a civilian.




That picture does not seem like a smokescreen or a target flare. That looks like an airdropped incendiary on mixed civilian and military targets, which is pretty illegal.

Unrelated, I'm sure you've seen what WP does to grass and training ranges....but you know what it does to tissues? It Does. Not. Stop. Burning. I did some studies with it back when I was working on this sort of thing, and it's bad. You put a piece of phosphorus on a slab of pork, and it catches fire, and reaches around 2000C...and it stays like that. It just slowly sinks in, like a brand being pushed too deep. If you manage to put it out, it will catch fire again, and continue to tunnel into you.

From a purely survival standpoint, yeah, I agree. You've got much better chances with WP. From a wishing you were dead standpoint when it lands on you, however...

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We know that the human brain doesn't fully develop until the mid-20's. It could be argued that most rank-and-file recruits around the world are effectively child soldiers.




I would be amazed if even half of the Hamas attackers were over 18. It's much easier to think in black and white at that age. You haven't really seen the grays yet.

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To say that a rational response to this is to actively target a civilian populace in order to meet their end of self determination is ridiculous. Hamas already knew this, and didn't care. They have a fat chance in hell now because of this action.




Still don't think that's their end goal. It's harder to find a reason to live for than a reason to die for. PA, Fatah, and to an extent, maybe even Arafat back in the day (yeah, he was a sly little fox, I know) tried to give Palestinians something to live for, like self-determination. Hamas gives Palestinians a reason to die for, and as was brought up earlier, this was supported by Bibi to avoid a two state solution.

It's also very effective in a hopeless situation, like an open air prison controlled by religious fanatics who fight the religious fanatics that control the prison walls. It's easier to find a reason to die for when you have no hope for a better life.

That's kinda why I think the best play, for Israel, would actually be to back the fuck off. Harden the borders, but restore power and food and water. Let the people who are ready to die for the cause...survive. Dead men don't care, but those that survive...well...they need to find something else to do. If you're ready to die, but nobody is willing to kill you...well, then you...kinda gotta find fulfillment elsewhere.

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That is true damn near everywhere right now. Pretty much every public discussion of this situation is just increasingly vicious calls for genocide, with the side depending on the crowd (but US-centric media is generally pro-Israel).

Nice thing about relatively close knit political forums is that the temperature may be set relatively high, but it also doesn't change much.

I don't remember even 2001 being quite so openly genocidal. But that might just be rose tinted glasses.



It's sickening.. a lot of shrieking and taking sides.. if you don't condemn X group, you are therefore fully supportive of Y group. Complete stupidity.

2001 was genocidal, the American public wanted blood, but I think it was more knee-jerk? The current moment is a reaction to all of that.. if anything it's softened by the USAs recent wars.




In 2001, Americans just really really wanted a country to go to war with. I know a lot of people who joined the military after 9/11, like it was their Pearl Harbor moment. They all told me that the bullshit they were assigned to do in Afghanistan and the Middle East quickly disillusioned them of that narrative. While the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan involved lots of killing, destruction, and the usual menu of assymetrical warfare atrocities on all sides, I don't think most people in the US saw it that way. They legitimately thought we were going over there to get the bad guys and free the locals.

This honestly feels more openly genocidal. Like yeah, OK, we got a couple million stateless people who have been a real pain in the ass, nobody's gonna miss em.




Again, perspectives. For the US, this is definitely a much more mixed situation due to our experiences of the last 20 years. For Israel? They haven't spent the last 20 years in Afghanistan. They don't have that same consternation that we do. From what I can tell, this is their 9/11. Several papers have reported Israeli, and even non-Israeli Jews going to Israel to enlist to fight in Gaza. I think Israel is exactly how you describe the US 20 years ago: really wants to go to war with someone. Partly because of Bibi.

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28503008 - 10/13/23 09:15 AM (7 months, 1 day ago)

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The EU is practically sinking migrant ships in the Mediterranean because they don’t want to deal with refugees they themselves created.

But the Islamic world is expected to just deal with the millions of refugees that Israel ethnically cleansed from its own borders. Not to mention they’re constantly incentivized by the most powerful nations in the region (and the world) to not take any meaningful action regarding Israeli occupation. Since 1967 at least.





Yeah the best thing to do, is attack a civilian population to get that empathy flowing through the world. All these Middle Eastern counties sure like to say they support Palestine, like Iran and Iraq.....oh wait, is that just rhetoric ?


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Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28503013 - 10/13/23 09:21 AM (7 months, 1 day ago)

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Nice fantasy. Seems like the Jews got some land....not so much for Palestine. Still waiting on your claim that Iseralis shot 10,000 people in 2018. Additionally, do you have a link for the Jewsih Partaisians specifically targeting the civilian populace of Poland? I am genuinely curious.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_Gaza_border_protests#Casualties

Total casualties for Gaza was around 10,000, compared to 5 casualties for Israel. Majority were GSW, but it seems some 3k were only injured by tear gas or shrapnel.

As for partisans targeting civilians, that's kind of how a resistance works. Occupiers necessarily use the civilian population as meat shields, either by putting their command structures within civilian locations, or through reprisal, or through collaborators.

Probably the hardest part of being a resistance fighter...you will need to kill innocent civilians to significantly target occupiers, because they integrate their power structures into the civilian life of the occupied nation. Kinda like the Heydrich example I used earlier. The decision was made that being able to reach out and touch nazi leadership, to make them actually fear for their safety, was worth the sacrifice of hundreds of innocent civilian lives in reprisals.

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: SirTripAlot] * 1
    #28503020 - 10/13/23 09:24 AM (7 months, 1 day ago)

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Nice fantasy. Seems like the Jews got some land....not so much for Palestine. Still waiting on your claim that Iseralis shot 10,000 people in 2018. Additionally, do you have a link for the Jewsih Partaisians specifically targeting the civilian populace of Poland? I am genuinely curious.




It’s not a fantasy, this is legitimate victim blaming shit that people do, yourself included.

They shot 10,000 people during the Great March of Return, which lasted about a half and a year between 2018-2019.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_Gaza_border_protests

Total Palestinian casualties listed are ~9500, but I’m sure the IDF had plenty of opportunities to shoot Palestinians on days of the week besides Friday during that time.

As far as civilian targets go, keep in mind that a great deal of these civilians in occupied Poland were either Nazi collaborators, or conscripts into the Wehrmacht.

Here’s a nice little explainer on the circumstances of Jews and the Polish resistance groups:

https://www.facinghistory.org/resource-library/jewish-partisans-occupied-poland


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28503022 - 10/13/23 09:28 AM (7 months, 1 day ago)

You've done the same victim-blaming shit in this very thread.  Saying Israel is at fault for the Hamas attack is clearly victim blaming. 

The reality is that Israelis and Palestinians can both be victims and both be at fault.  You've taken a side, of course, so that doesn't fit your worldview.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28503024 - 10/13/23 09:29 AM (7 months, 1 day ago)

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The EU is practically sinking migrant ships in the Mediterranean because they don’t want to deal with refugees they themselves created.

But the Islamic world is expected to just deal with the millions of refugees that Israel ethnically cleansed from its own borders. Not to mention they’re constantly incentivized by the most powerful nations in the region (and the world) to not take any meaningful action regarding Israeli occupation. Since 1967 at least.





Yeah the best thing to do, is attack a civilian population to get that empathy flowing through the world. All these Middle Eastern counties sure like to say they support Palestine, like Iran and Iraq.....oh wait, is that just rhetoric ?





I think it’s pretty obvious that Hamas’ attack will only succeed if it makes Israeli forces wildly overreact. But whether that was their goal or not, it doesn’t change the fact that non-violent avenues have all been extinguished by Israel.

What do you think Palestine should do? Just leave their homeland forever so Israel and the West don’t have to look themselves in the mirror as they advance their apartheid policy? Beg the international community for help, the same community currently fixated on one dead israeli child as Israel kills 500 Palestinian children?

What colonized people ever won their freedom by asking nicely?


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: SirTripAlot] * 1
    #28503025 - 10/13/23 09:29 AM (7 months, 1 day ago)

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What's my confirmation bias?




You're describing Palestinians as unstable, but having a Palestinian passport is a recipe for instability. Those who manage to figure something else out, or just happened to be in Jerusalem when the shit went down in 48, are implicitly excluded.





You need to read what I stated.

To be clear, being  kicked out of countries(like Jordon) makes the situation unstable. Tell me, if you were kicked out of any country, would that indicate stability or instability (whether you deserved it not)?


A confirmation bias includes  challenge avoidance. Where have I done that? You may disagree with what I state but that does not equate to confirmation bias. Additionally, I never brought up anything remotely about passports, you did. You have zero evidence to back this claim.




Uh, no. I'm not going down this rabbithole of debate-babble after you already missed my point. And I'm definitely not getting into an argument about what confirmation bias means.

I brought up passports because that's what actually matters when you're an effectively stateless individual.


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    #28503028 - 10/13/23 09:30 AM (7 months, 1 day ago)

Nice dodge.
I stand by what I state.


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    #28503031 - 10/13/23 09:31 AM (7 months, 1 day ago)

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You've done the same victim-blaming shit in this very thread.  Saying Israel is at fault for the Hamas attack is clearly victim blaming. 

The reality is that Israelis and Palestinians can both be victims and both be at fault.  You've taken a side, of course, so that doesn't fit your worldview.




Israelis and Palestinians can both be victims, sure, but ISRAEL the nation is the one dictating the terms of this conflict. If they don’t want the colonized minority to fight back then they can simply stop colonizing them.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
    #28503037 - 10/13/23 09:38 AM (7 months, 1 day ago)

We're similar in that regard then.  Sometimes, it might...sometimes.  I've seen it happen many a time, i've also seen nothing really happen wrt 'becalming hostility from the inside out' , so to speak.

That's why I mentioned the incapacitation part after the earlier idea... as a secondary measure to cover my bases.  Either way, hell of a lot better than death, that's final.  That's all i'm saying.

The looneys are too pissed off, out for blood, and are on all sides of the dispute, despite many of their own brethren - probably most?idk - basically being saner, chiller, and like, wtf..no...lets not kill each other like tards. 

  Not that the latter will be able to do much against the former in the immediate with tensions so damn high already and so much blood spilled over the years and now, well...all this new blood being spilled.

I guess I mentioned it at all because with everything that's happened since hell...the first battle/war in history, why the fuck haven't things like what I mentioned been utilized appropriately as non-lethal measures before things go right to declaring war or near it? It is feasible, relatively cheap af, and incredibly effective a measure to stop anyone from doing anything but groveling on the ground drooling, maybe having a whiteout (psychedelic ver of a blackout/ incapacitated fully) and tripping balls having deep blissful dreams and or nightmares.  I bet a few would just say fuck it, if they somehow remained fully lucid and awake afterwards to see all the mayhem with their mind fully psychedelicized to the nth degree. 

I would, 'this shit's too insane, i'm out, peace' - either way - whomever used it the other...they'd be in no way, shape, or form able to fight back for the most part for hours at a time, and, with the right assortment of psychoactives being rotated in periodically and used in appropriate measures and all that - for the lsd/psilo/and or whatever other countless suitable chemical agents of that nature which can be used, something like Hamas could basically be nullified before it could do anymore real signifcant damage.  Hostages and shit could then be taken back after searching - lots of shit.  Just think it through more.  Idk, maybe its total shit.  Still, better than a bullet, flames, choking to death, or blowing up, bleeding out, etc.

Some might die, likely even - if that kind of thing were to be used on a massive scale, but it'd be like a drop in the bucket compared to anything remotely close to modern warfare - guerilla/terrorista styled, 1st world style, or otherwise.  At least it has the potential to create a long enough of a gap in the situation, a pause of sorts, so that cooler heads might step in and prevail before the hotheads blew each other to smithereens, taking whoever else might be caught in the crossfire with them or whatnot.

Meh, I'm disappointed it hasn't been used on a massive scale...sue me. Just trust me, its better than what they're going to likely do, and whatever they become from doing so in the eyes of the world at large afterwards is largely going to fuck them out of the ol sympathy garnered from the ' ww2 nazi gas chamber / history has sucked for us - so you'd better back us b/c remember our history? kind of an attitude' - not that their 'enemies' are any cooler or better, hell they should do the same imho... fuck it. :oldman:


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
    #28503043 - 10/13/23 09:44 AM (7 months, 1 day ago)

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Nice fantasy. Seems like the Jews got some land....not so much for Palestine. Still waiting on your claim that Iseralis shot 10,000 people in 2018. Additionally, do you have a link for the Jewsih Partaisians specifically targeting the civilian populace of Poland? I am genuinely curious.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_Gaza_border_protests#Casualties

Total casualties for Gaza was around 10,000, compared to 5 casualties for Israel. Majority were GSW, but it seems some 3k were only injured by tear gas or shrapnel.

As for partisans targeting civilians, that's kind of how a resistance works. Occupiers necessarily use the civilian population as meat shields, either by putting their command structures within civilian locations, or through reprisal, or through collaborators.

Probably the hardest part of being a resistance fighter...you will need to kill innocent civilians to significantly target occupiers, because they integrate their power structures into the civilian life of the occupied nation. Kinda like the Heydrich example I used earlier. The decision was made that being able to reach out and touch nazi leadership, to make them actually fear for their safety, was worth the sacrifice of hundreds of innocent civilian lives in reprisals.





Here is my source (one, mind you that is not cherry picked for the sympthay of the Jewish state):

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2018/10/gaza-great-march-of-return/

According to the Al Mezan Center for Human Rights, since the start of the protests, over 150 Palestinians have been killed in the demonstrations. At least 10,000 others have been injured, including 1,849 children, 424 women, 115 paramedics and 115 journalists. Of those injured, 5,814 were hit by live ammunition. According to Israeli media, one soldier was moderately injured due to shrapnel from a grenade thrown by a Palestinian from inside Gaza and one Israeli soldier was killed by Palestinian sniper fire near the fence that separates Gaza and Israel outside of the context of the protests.

......While some protesters have engaged in some forms of violence including by burning tyres, flying incendiary kites or throwing stones and Molotov cocktails in the direction of Israeli soldiers, social media videos, as well as eyewitness testimonies gathered by Amnesty International, Palestinian and Israeli human rights groups show that Israeli soldiers shot unarmed protesters, bystanders, journalists and medical staff approximately 150-400m from the fence, where they did not pose any threat.
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So, you mean to tell me innocent people got shot because of some minority faction decided to commit violence on the border, when the military is there.
? Was the response overwhelming, yes, I will take that as a valid criticism. Will you admit that is just wasn't clapping  and singing?

Victim blaming? Geeze, another buzz word that is overused. Again, I have stated that Iseralis are not infallible , but to state that any action in response to this makes it right, I will never agree to.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28503048 - 10/13/23 09:47 AM (7 months, 1 day ago)

4 live webcams throughout Gaza:




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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Asante] * 1
    #28503052 - 10/13/23 09:49 AM (7 months, 1 day ago)

Israel President Herzog suggests that there are no innocent civilians in Gaza, because they should’ve taken out Hamas themselves. Since they didn’t, they’re culpable.

https://x.com/rulesbasedworld/status/1712824854385197533?s=46&t=NCHEHEdgn4yG76LKXrSTrw

Surely you all saved some crocodile tears for this particular brazen attitude towards civilian life?


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28503053 - 10/13/23 09:49 AM (7 months, 1 day ago)

Hypothetically speaking, what would happen if the US doesn't render any support to the Israelis so long as they commit to highly questionable mass killing & other shenanigans of an unethical/immoral nature wrt their neighbors over the most recent major attack? 

ie.  remains completely neutral? what's the status-quo, projection-wise/simulation-wise...w/e...
about how that all would play out?
someone enlighten me, pls.

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