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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: SirTripAlot] * 1
    #28502083 - 10/12/23 06:03 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

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If that is the case of this resistance, Hamas has diametrically failed in my opinion. They have given Israel a blank check to cash at will, and most won't bat an eye. It will take another 3 decades to even come back from this. I will eat crow if need be, but I belive Hamas, in its current and future form will fade with a whimper.




I think the only way that Hamas fades into obscurity is if Israel, and their western allies, do not overreact.

If you're willing to accept my hypothesis that the primary purpose of resistance is to spread fear among an otherwise universally superior opponent, then Koods' poll showing 80% of Israelis feel unsafe as a result of this attack shows...a pretty clear success thus far.

Second, I don't think Israel has a blank check, at least not to the extent they think they do. Yes, the war drums are beating, and yes, the media is pushing a certain blood frenzy that I haven't felt since around 2001-2003...But that's the problem. Afghanistan/Iraq were a US blank check turned into a two decade long failure, and ultimately was a win for the Taliban.

Many will not bat an eye, but they won't be able to keep the pictures of mutilated children in Gaza quiet for long.

Hamas has the upper hand right now, because violence craves retaliation. Many people believe in the concept of an eye for an eye. Many people are calling for Israel to commit to a ground invasion. I've seen calls to nuke Gaza, I've seen people explicitly calling for the eradication of the "Palestinian gene pool".

If Israel can avoid that, then you're right. Hamas will fade away, forgotten as the butchers of innocents.

Personally, though? I think were in for round 2:



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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos] * 2
    #28502091 - 10/12/23 06:06 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

Human Rights Watch confirming Israel’s use of white phosphorus in Gaza and Lebanon:

https://x.com/hrw/status/1712573871596187916?s=46&t=NCHEHEdgn4yG76LKXrSTrw

Another war crime on to the pile, lads


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #28502110 - 10/12/23 06:16 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

damn, shit's so fucked no matter how anyone can spin it. :nonono:


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28502123 - 10/12/23 06:22 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

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Human Rights Watch confirming Israel’s use of white phosphorus in Gaza and Lebanon:

https://x.com/hrw/status/1712573871596187916?s=46&t=NCHEHEdgn4yG76LKXrSTrw

Another war crime on to the pile, lads




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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
    #28502127 - 10/12/23 06:25 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

I can't believe people aren't following the law while they are killing other people .  Maybe we need a world police or something to enforce those laws.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Psilynut2]
    #28502135 - 10/12/23 06:39 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)



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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #28502145 - 10/12/23 06:45 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

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Palestinians celebrate in Nablus after fighters infiltrated Israel






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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28502168 - 10/12/23 06:55 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

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Were any of y’all alive in 2018?

The Palestinians tried non-violence. They went to the fence every day to cook food and sing songs and protest the occupation. Israel shot like 10,000 of them.

It’s either die slow or fight back. To paraphrase Stokley Carmichael: for non-violence to work, your opponent needs a conscience.

Israel never gave peace a chance. And why would they? They’ve been importing Jews from all over the world (even non-Jews), exterminating/deporting Palestinians to refugee camps where they are never legally allowed to return to Palestine, and building settlements out the ass overtop the rubble of Palestinian neighborhoods and they’re STILL the minority population. Democracy and due process and abiding by international law in Israel/Palestine means Palestinians are actually granted power. Can’t have that.





All the links I see don't come close to that 10,000 shot figure. I see 10,000 protested, but not that many shot. What's your source? Also, there are descriptions of grenades, explosions, and riots....not the most peaceful.

Yeah, I was around....additionally in the 90s with Bill and the Camp David affair. Differnt accounts but it semed close.....How do you negotiate with somone that believes you should not exist?


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: SirTripAlot] * 2
    #28502176 - 10/12/23 06:59 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

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How do you negotiate with somone that believes you should not exist?




That's a good question for both sides to consider.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
    #28502192 - 10/12/23 07:11 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

i gather that somewhere at some point reality pokes its little head through and brings along some good sense, then the shady talk can begin.

'they' can hate each other -or- rather, some deluded bloody mental image of one another, albeit - associatively emotionally charged to the max from whatever real events that have occured being in memory.  But, then you've got to think... if you were someone in either grouping of peoples - that, at the very least - some level of communication to some degree, by at least some of them has to happen, seeing as it's invaluable to do so from almost any of whatever point of view you can imagine.  In short, it simply can't be passed up altogether. 

So it happens, albeit - with lots of make believe that it doesn't.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #28502396 - 10/12/23 08:32 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

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damn, shit's so fucked no matter how anyone can spin it. :nonono:




Someone here will try :lol:


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: sudly]
    #28502416 - 10/12/23 08:41 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

Big airstrikes happening right now:



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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #28502456 - 10/12/23 09:06 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

Reports are that Israel told the UN six hours ago that everyone who lives north of "Wadii Gaza" in Gaza need to evacuate south in less than 24 hours.  They now have 18 hours left as I'm writing this.

More than one million people live in that area of northern Gaza and need to evacuate.  This is about to get ugly.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] * 1
    #28502457 - 10/12/23 09:07 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

Israel has told 1.1 million Palestinians to move further south in the next 24hrs as there will be a “ground manoeuvre”.

Yeah, leave your homes, your businesses (if they’re not already flattened) because we’ve put no retraints on our soldiers.

Going to be a bloodbath.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Milleresque]
    #28502460 - 10/12/23 09:08 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

Did you also get that from AgendaFreeTV?


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #28502464 - 10/12/23 09:12 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)



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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] * 1
    #28502468 - 10/12/23 09:15 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

Is that the channel which only plays when you turn the tv/pc off and sit quietly pondering the ongoings of what might be happening with a clear head & equanimity? :strokebeard:

If not, which platform has that? :tongue:
I might subscribe.

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #28502469 - 10/12/23 09:16 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

lol it's a channel run by one guy who is pretty neutral with reporting news and does it well: 


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #28502502 - 10/12/23 09:48 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

I don’t the think they intend to send troops into northern Gaza. I suspect they intend to carpet bomb it


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #28502503 - 10/12/23 09:49 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

NYT reporting the same.

Welp, now Israel is a genocidal apartheid state, not just an apartheid state.

SirTripALot: This is exactly what I meant by overreaction earlier. The UN is already calling this a humanitarian disaster.


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