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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kizzle]
#28552247 - 11/21/23 10:20 PM (2 months, 4 days ago) |
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Oh, sure, they were using the tunnels. But the IDF hyped this up as The Command Center, and used that hype as justification for doing whatever they wanted. Then as soon as the hospital was cleared, The Command Center is now in south Gaza, so the IDF needs to go there. More indiscriminate violence, while people are told to flee north. And likely...'processed' by IDF troops.
Plus their refusal to allow journalists, and as the BBC reported, their footage is edited, contrary to IDF claims.
There's a whole lot of bullshit going on. That's why I don't believe that the IDF is in the right, here. As I have stated many times in this thread, Hamas and the IDF both want a genocide. They just disagree on who should get to live.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos] 2
#28552253 - 11/21/23 10:25 PM (2 months, 4 days ago) |
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Hamas doesn't have the capacity to do genocide, Israel does.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: sudly] 1
#28552274 - 11/21/23 10:55 PM (2 months, 4 days ago) |
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This is why I have not really addressed Hamas directly. We all know what they are, there is no point adding a disclaimer to every post saying "I also think Hamas is bad". Hamas is a yappy little purse dog. Relatively speaking, not much of a threat.
Interesting development: ceasefire agreement seems to have been reached. Qatar announced that is starts in 24 hours and lasts 4+ days. NYT reported an hour ago.
This is a good sign. But I could see Hamas or the IDF pulling some dumb shit. Hamas claims to have their fingers on their triggers, and Bibi has said that they will continue their mission to destroy Hamas after the ceasefire ends.
Posturing, propaganda break, or peace?
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
#28552275 - 11/21/23 10:56 PM (2 months, 4 days ago) |
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Israel already said they’re going to start the aerial and ground bombardment immediately after that is done though.
Not sure what the deal was.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos] 1
#28552292 - 11/22/23 12:10 AM (2 months, 4 days ago) |
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Kryptos said: This is why I have not really addressed Hamas directly. We all know what they are, there is no point adding a disclaimer to every post saying "I also think Hamas is bad". Hamas is a yappy little purse dog. Relatively speaking, not much of a threat.
Interesting development: ceasefire agreement seems to have been reached. Qatar announced that is starts in 24 hours and lasts 4+ days. NYT reported an hour ago.
This is a good sign. But I could see Hamas or the IDF pulling some dumb shit. Hamas claims to have their fingers on their triggers, and Bibi has said that they will continue their mission to destroy Hamas after the ceasefire ends.
Posturing, propaganda break, or peace?
I think none of us here on this message board have enough info of their inner workings, fundings,plans,recruitment efforts, plans to execute people, future plans of attack etc. They may be "a yappy little purse dog" but the scale of the attack they succeeded in wasn't a yappy little dogs actions. It was the actions of well funded well planned, ready to kill and abduct group and I think it's foolish to assume underestimating them Is the correct decision there.
As far as the ceasefire goes I do agree with you. Someone is going to break it, I'd say it's equally plausible that either side break it. I'm glad some hostages will hopefully be returned if hammas is serious and I hope IDF honors the ceasefire and solely focus on the hostages and abiding by the ceasefire. But I don't see isreal stopping until they get all the hostages still alive back and possibly until every hammas member that was part of the attack are dead.
I think they should do strikes on some key hammas members but certainly not with bombs.And if I were isreal my number one motivation would be to get the hostages back and end the war as soon as possible.
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I don't think anyone is underestimating what Hamas can do, just being aware of what overestimating it is.
I doubt the 4 days will go without someone's finger hitting the trigger and escalating further. With some weaksauce excuse that can't really be disproven 100% because of the fog of war etc.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: sudly]
#28552436 - 11/22/23 06:09 AM (2 months, 4 days ago) |
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https://twitter.com/realrobdurden/status/1725612273778004362
Daaayum... The BBC is calling out Israel. This is crazy.
Israel doesn't understand that their whole existence relies on managing PR, and they are fucking it up royally.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: sudly]
#28552458 - 11/22/23 06:43 AM (2 months, 4 days ago) |
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Whoops
Glad either side has not done such.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: SirTripAlot]
#28552561 - 11/22/23 08:35 AM (2 months, 4 days ago) |
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Looks like Israel has agreed to a 4 day ceasefire. They're going to be exchanging 150 palestinian prisoners for 50 Israeli nationals (Mostly women and children on both sides). Israel is not negotiating for any foreign nationals to be released, and from the sound of it, they do intend to continue bombing Gaza, of course..
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: sudly]
#28552613 - 11/22/23 09:50 AM (2 months, 4 days ago) |
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sudly said: I don't think anyone is underestimating what Hamas can do
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sudly said: Hamas doesn't have the capacity to do genocide
You contradicted yourself.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28552629 - 11/22/23 10:01 AM (2 months, 4 days ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: Looks like Israel has agreed to a 4 day ceasefire. They're going to be exchanging 150 palestinian prisoners for 50 Israeli nationals (Mostly women and children on both sides). Israel is not negotiating for any foreign nationals to be released, and from the sound of it, they do intend to continue bombing Gaza, of course..
I am surprised to hear Israel agreed to that deal... seems like a bad deal for them.
I forget what to search for, but someone posted earlier in this thread how to get around sources that require you to login to view their story. I am trying incognito windows but it's not working. Anyone remember how to get around this problem?
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Quote:
lifeiswhatyoumake said:
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sudly said: I don't think anyone is underestimating what Hamas can do
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sudly said: Hamas doesn't have the capacity to do genocide
You contradicted yourself.
You ommited what I said.
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Quote:
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Kryptos said: This is why I have not really addressed Hamas directly. We all know what they are, there is no point adding a disclaimer to every post saying "I also think Hamas is bad". Hamas is a yappy little purse dog. Relatively speaking, not much of a threat.
Interesting development: ceasefire agreement seems to have been reached. Qatar announced that is starts in 24 hours and lasts 4+ days. NYT reported an hour ago.
This is a good sign. But I could see Hamas or the IDF pulling some dumb shit. Hamas claims to have their fingers on their triggers, and Bibi has said that they will continue their mission to destroy Hamas after the ceasefire ends.
Posturing, propaganda break, or peace?
I think none of us here on this message board have enough info of their inner workings, fundings,plans,recruitment efforts, plans to execute people, future plans of attack etc. They may be "a yappy little purse dog" but the scale of the attack they succeeded in wasn't a yappy little dogs actions. It was the actions of well funded well planned, ready to kill and abduct group and I think it's foolish to assume underestimating them Is the correct decision there.
As far as the ceasefire goes I do agree with you. Someone is going to break it, I'd say it's equally plausible that either side break it. I'm glad some hostages will hopefully be returned if hammas is serious and I hope IDF honors the ceasefire and solely focus on the hostages and abiding by the ceasefire. But I don't see isreal stopping until they get all the hostages still alive back and possibly until every hammas member that was part of the attack are dead.
I think they should do strikes on some key hammas members but certainly not with bombs.And if I were isreal my number one motivation would be to get the hostages back and end the war as soon as possible.
Those are absolutely the actions of the nation-state equivalent of a yappy little purse dog. If they were an actual threat, 2/3rds of Israel would be a graveyard. The fact that their most effective military operation in decades led to 1200 casualties is a pretty clear example of their inability to actually do significant harm.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
#28552792 - 11/22/23 12:33 PM (2 months, 4 days ago) |
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The attack was significant harm, but they're not able to actually wipe Israel off the map.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: sudly] 2
#28552795 - 11/22/23 12:35 PM (2 months, 4 days ago) |
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1200 people dead in a nation of 10 million is not significant.
The only significant harm done was for more people on both sides to be afraid.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
#28552801 - 11/22/23 12:39 PM (2 months, 4 days ago) |
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I'd say it's relatively significant for Hamas.
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#28552834 - 11/22/23 01:11 PM (2 months, 4 days ago) |
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Relatively is doing a lot of heavy lifting there.
That's why Hamas itself is insignificant to the issue, and why I don't really take the time to discuss them.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
#28552892 - 11/22/23 02:08 PM (2 months, 4 days ago) |
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What about Hezbollah? What are they up to, and are they worth discussing?
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Another terrorist organization. I think their occasional contributions are worth mentioning, but I don't see them playing a massive role yet.
I guess there's a distinction to be made, which is already made, between a terrorist organization and a rogue state. One is capable of inflicting significant harm, the other is not.
Though Hezbollah definitely has more operational capacity than Hamas. I guessing that's why they are being cautious.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
#28552994 - 11/22/23 04:03 PM (2 months, 4 days ago) |
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Have a feeling they are busy at the Lebanese border..
The other distinction is terrorist groups are fair play. Plenty of rogue states existing, depending on your definition.
And as we are seeing, once the terrorists integrate with the population, all become the enemy and its hellfire reining down.
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