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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #28500543 - 10/11/23 06:49 PM (7 months, 2 days ago)

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At this point I consider the scenarios where either (a) Trump gave Russia Israeli intelligence which they passed on to Hamas or (b) Israeli leadership intentionally letting Hamas in as a Reichstag fire event to be slightly more likely than the intelligence failure aspect.

Honestly, the first seems to be more likely, considering that Trump bragged about giving out Israeli intelligence, and on at least one occasion that I remember revealed that Israeli intelligence had provided information.

However, the recent claim from Egypt That Egyptian intelligence warned Israel three days in advance supports the latter scenario.




It would be interesting to know exactly what the nature of the Israeli intelligence Trump gave to Russia.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: koods]
    #28500570 - 10/11/23 06:58 PM (7 months, 2 days ago)

CNN is interviewing a guy who ran over a bunch of terrorists while escaping the music festival.




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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #28500606 - 10/11/23 07:11 PM (7 months, 2 days ago)

It is an open air prison. That's why their warnings to civilians to leave is ridiculous. Israel controls what goes in and out.

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: McKennasMoustache]
    #28500620 - 10/11/23 07:16 PM (7 months, 2 days ago)

And Egypt


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: koods]
    #28500632 - 10/11/23 07:19 PM (7 months, 2 days ago)

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At this point I consider the scenarios where either (a) Trump gave Russia Israeli intelligence which they passed on to Hamas or (b) Israeli leadership intentionally letting Hamas in as a Reichstag fire event to be slightly more likely than the intelligence failure aspect.

Honestly, the first seems to be more likely, considering that Trump bragged about giving out Israeli intelligence, and on at least one occasion that I remember revealed that Israeli intelligence had provided information.

However, the recent claim from Egypt That Egyptian intelligence warned Israel three days in advance supports the latter scenario.




It would be interesting to know exactly what the nature of the Israeli intelligence Trump gave to Russia.




https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/world/middleeast/israel-trump-classified-intelligence-russia.html

Here is the event I'm referring to. Israeli intelligence describing an ISIS plot. The biggest concern at the time was that it would reveal intelligence-gathering techniques used by Israel.

So, yeah, entirely possible that Israeli intelligence gathering was compromised. Of course the article doesn't mention specifics, but considering that the weakest part of the Israeli intelligence network is likely the human informants spread throughout Palestine, this could be a potential concern.

However, this event happened in 2017. Six years. That makes this hypothesis much less likely, as human intelligence networks don't operate on such timescales.

But methods by which human intelligence networks are formed...those stay pretty constant. But are also somewhat obvious?

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
    #28500643 - 10/11/23 07:21 PM (7 months, 2 days ago)

Pretty sure there’s a lot of information trump bragged about that we will never know about considering how many things we do know about.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: McKennasMoustache]
    #28500646 - 10/11/23 07:22 PM (7 months, 2 days ago)

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It is an open air prison. That's why their warnings to civilians to leave is ridiculous. Israel controls what goes in and out.




I heard a reporter who is currently in Israel describe their warnings as specific ones to leave certain buildings before they level them. Delivered unreliably by text message about 5 minutes beforehand.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: koods] * 1
    #28500655 - 10/11/23 07:24 PM (7 months, 2 days ago)

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Pretty sure there’s a lot of information trump bragged about that we will never know about considering how many things we do know about.




And 99% of it was made up on the spot. That's why I rely on journalists, who sift through the garbage to find the important bits. This does seem oddly relevant.

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #28500839 - 10/11/23 08:51 PM (7 months, 2 days ago)

So after initial reports of Hamas beheading babies (obvious bullshit), the media went quiet and the IDF said they weren’t going to investigate the claims.

But apparently nobody passed that word to Biden, who claimed today in a press conference to have SEEN PICTURES of babies with their heads cut off.

Cool thing to tell the entire world and then quietly issue this retraction later:



Biden seeing evidence really meant “he heard about it from someone.”




Just brazen, balls out propaganda.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: koods] * 1
    #28500847 - 10/11/23 08:53 PM (7 months, 2 days ago)

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I can't get over the Israeli intelligence services being oblivious to such a huge logistics operation when normally they detect who farted by IR satellite imaging.





Yea, that's the biggest mystery in all of this so far.




Complacency. Israel was too dependent on technology





While they do use sophisticated technology, Israel generally relies on a vast network of human intelligence to detect upcoming attacks. They’re renowned for it. Egypt knew. Egypt told Israeli intelligence (and Netanyahu directly) that there was a serious attack coming.

It’s no mystery. At least not to me. But this whole matter has already been buried by the blood happy media who don’t know which way to jump. Previous agencies/publications, once overtly publishing to raise the Palestinian plight, are now getting all wet over Israeli air attacks and the idea of a ground invasion.

Netanyahu needed this. After nationwide protests against him directly earlier this year…ooof what a bounty of political capital! If he can keep the fact of being warned squashed with disinformation, he and his ilk will get to destroy so much of Gaza the rest won’t be worth saving. And biden will allow it (ffs I watched some of his press address madness), until there’s massive international condemnation.

This is an almighty shit show of the highest proportions. What happened to Israelis was an abomination. What is and about to happen to Palestinians (who have NOWHERE to go) will be…an abomination.

Fuck Netanyahu. Honestly.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Milleresque]
    #28500856 - 10/11/23 08:57 PM (7 months, 2 days ago)

So you’re going full LIHOP and I’m the conspiracy monger?


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: koods]
    #28500861 - 10/11/23 08:59 PM (7 months, 2 days ago)

I’m not down with internet abbreviations Koods. Nor was I having a go at you mate. Was simply saying that human intelligence is what they rely on to discover and thwart attacks.

At least the guardian is still punching on

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/12/israel-hamas-war-egypt-warned-foreign-affairs-gaza


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: koods]
    #28500862 - 10/11/23 08:59 PM (7 months, 2 days ago)

9/11 worked on us, this will probably work on Bibi.

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Milleresque]
    #28500872 - 10/11/23 09:06 PM (7 months, 2 days ago)

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I’m not down with internet abbreviations Koods. Nor was I having a go at you mate. Was simply saying that human intelligence is what they rely on to discover and thwart attacks.

At least the guardian is still punching on

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/12/israel-hamas-war-egypt-warned-foreign-affairs-gaza




LIHOP = Let It Happen On Purpose


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28500890 - 10/11/23 09:16 PM (7 months, 2 days ago)

https://x.com/samknight1/status/1712297474046521843?s=46&t=NCHEHEdgn4yG76LKXrSTrw


CNN, on the topic of Biden just making shit up: it might be a lie, but it’s still scary to hear the president say it.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: koods]
    #28500892 - 10/11/23 09:17 PM (7 months, 2 days ago)

Netanyahu went to high school with Reggie Jackson.

Just a random, bizarre factoid


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: koods]
    #28500915 - 10/11/23 09:30 PM (7 months, 2 days ago)

Somebody else posted this in one of these threads, and I found it very helpful in wrapping my head around things:

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/how-israel-was-duped-hamas-planned-devastating-assault-2023-10-08/

Even the fighters training for the invasion supposedly had no idea what they were doing.

And I bet stumbling across a rave in the desert was unexpected, too, unless they had people combing social media looking for events.

The more I think about it, the more that rave seems like the height of hubris. Puts Woodstock 99 to shame.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: B Traven] * 1
    #28500917 - 10/11/23 09:32 PM (7 months, 2 days ago)

That rave happens every year at the end of sukkot

Festival goers are not observant Jews. Partying on Friday night is definitely not kosher.

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: koods]
    #28500953 - 10/11/23 10:05 PM (7 months, 2 days ago)

Still, having a yearly rave near the border of Gaza is the height of hubris. Islam isn't really known for being cool with music and dancing, they're a lot like the Orthodox Israel is like that. Plus, ravers near Palestine, with >50% unemployed?

Also, the fact that there was an apparently crewed tank nearby tells me they knew the rave was a potential target.

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
    #28500959 - 10/11/23 10:07 PM (7 months, 2 days ago)

I don’t believe it was crewed. Apparently a bunch of people hid under it for six hours


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