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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: koods]
#28536294 - 11/09/23 09:06 PM (2 months, 17 days ago) |
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koods said: The innocent civilians in Gaza are the least innocent civilians in the world
Half of them are children... So how the fuck do you figure that?
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#28536955 - 11/10/23 10:35 AM (2 months, 16 days ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: “First-hand account says Israel gunships fired on crowd and (probably inadvertently) hit Israelis.”
Nope! Lie! Israel would never hit civilians!
“Israel claims it’s killed 600 Hamas militants out of the 10,000 Palestinians they’ve killed in the past month.”
Yeah well, it’s a war, civilians die. They shouldn’t have voted for Hamas 20 years ago.
Yeah... These fucking CHILDREN... shouldn't have voted for Hamas 20 years ago. 50% of people in Gaza are children... and another 25%+ are women.
Israel gets what it has coming. They should know better than to run an open air concentration camp.
Zionism is theft. It's immoral. Period.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#28536961 - 11/10/23 10:37 AM (2 months, 16 days ago) |
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Over 99% of the people they’ve killed have been civilians.
This is no departure from their last few military actions in Gaza. They’re also bombing and attacking the West Bank (where Hamas doesn’t exist).
I don’t know why people keep buying this line that Israel wants to only defeat Hamas, when virtually every single politician is using genocidal language talking about killing and/or expelling every Palestinian.
The evidence I’m referring to is that Israel is systematically bombing civilians and killing journalists.
This is what I mean when I say people will dismiss Israel’s crimes, and then, when met with undeniable proof that these crimes are happening, claim Israel isn’t doing it on purpose.
No shit... What was the very first thing they did, in response to the attack? They cut off all food, fuel, and water... to civilians in Gaza.'
That tells you everything you need to know.
Go figure... Chop is once again on the right side of history, and Ice9 and Koods are defending indiscriminately murdering a population that is mostly comprised of children.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#28537024 - 11/10/23 11:35 AM (2 months, 16 days ago) |
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Did you see that video of Israeli police beating the shit out of the orthodox Jews who were protesting the attacks on Gaza?
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#28537033 - 11/10/23 11:45 AM (2 months, 16 days ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: It seems you can’t disprove my claims that are impossible to disprove.
I accept your conceding of the argument.

Generally the onus of proof is on the person making the positive claim.
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The Ecstatic said: It seems you can’t disprove my claims that are impossible to disprove.
I accept your conceding of the argument.

Generally the onus of proof is on the person making the positive claim.
*in a kind, whispering voice* Shhhh let's let Ecstatic have this one 
Ahaha... I'm all for letting The Ecstatic have all the points. Always. lmao!
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#28537086 - 11/10/23 12:20 PM (2 months, 16 days ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: It seems you can’t disprove my claims that are impossible to disprove.
I accept your conceding of the argument.

Generally the onus of proof is on the person making the positive claim.
I guess it’s been relatively subtle but I’m only mocking the argumentative style of the other guy.
Just making sweeping claims about millions of people and then leap to a different sweeping claim when I’m called on the first one.
I remember when someone told me to prove a negative "beyond a shadow of a doubt" on here one time... lol
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#28537097 - 11/10/23 12:24 PM (2 months, 16 days ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: To be honest this back and forth quibbling about specifics is a fucking waste of time. Nobody is arguing in good faith and nobody is going to change their mind.
So I try to make posts that generate discussion (a wild endeavor to undertake on a discussion board), such as “is bombing the homes of millions of innocent civilians an act of terrorism?”
But people don’t like thinking for themselves so they just regurgitate whatever bullshit narrative they think justifies their worldview without ever thinking for a moment why they view the world the way they do.
Are you likely to change your mind?
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#28537132 - 11/10/23 12:52 PM (2 months, 16 days ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: I’ll admit I have a very different way of approaching politics than most people here, but I like to think I’m open to arguments that would require a change in my viewpoint.
I oscillate on things: is there merit in fighting for the lesser evil?
I don't believe that there is. Evil is evil.
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Should a proxy war with Russia be waged to certain ends?
Depends how much you value human life over the ends of the United States government.
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However, things like “is genocide good, in this situation?” seem like a pretty straightforward “no” in my opinion.
I will say, though, that most of the time I’m trying to get others to change their views, than I am trying to change my own. I think that’s probably not unique.
It's not unique.
And it is pretty straight forward. At least Israel is finally losing the PR battle.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#28537134 - 11/10/23 12:54 PM (2 months, 16 days ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: That being said, I can articulate why I view the world the way I do, and people who think it’s a coincidence that theirs lines up almost exactly with that of the Pentagon are worse than fools.
Right. I could have predicted where Koods stood on this issue before even reading his posts, though it's still disheartening. I'm sure the same could be said of me, though.
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Bigbadwooof said:At least Israel is finally losing the PR battle.
Why do you think that?
I've seen more of a pro-Palestinian response than a pro-Israel response, though there have been powerful efforts to silence pro-Palestinian views, and label people who stand up against genocide as anti-semites.
In fact... I heard George Galloway talking about a march on London that they are expecting 300,000 people to show up for. I guess that remains to be seen, though. I love George Galloway!
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
#28537146 - 11/10/23 01:05 PM (2 months, 16 days ago) |
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Kryptos said: What Hamas does with their uniforms does not matter, killing civilians intentionally is a warcrime.
Israeli leadership has even come out and said that they view everyone in Gaza as a member of Hamas, because they voted for them (20 years ago, even though at least half of them weren't old enough to vote).
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lifeiswhatyoumake said: So what's your thoughts so far as to how Israel's invasion of Gaza is going?
They didn't invade anything. Israel can't invade Gaza, because they will be slaughtered.. They just bomb them indiscriminately.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: ballsalsa]
#28538171 - 11/11/23 06:49 AM (2 months, 15 days ago) |
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ballsalsa said: iirc, koods was on the exact opposite side of an argument with Fal about Russians bombing a hospital in Syria. I could be wrong and I'm not gonna search it up.
You should find it.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#28538238 - 11/11/23 08:02 AM (2 months, 15 days ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: They could be affiliated or in communication with, but actual members? Thats a claim that needs a source.
There is a source: Israel says so.
At first Israel said they did bomb the hospital, but then quickly changed the message. Either way, they have bombed ambulances, and refugee camps.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: SirTripAlot]
#28538626 - 11/11/23 12:04 PM (2 months, 15 days ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: They could be affiliated or in communication with, but actual members? Thats a claim that needs a source.
There is a source: Israel says so.
If I was unclear an unbiased one.
I don't think such a thing exists anyway. No such thing as unbiased reporting on Israel/Palestine.
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lifeiswhatyoumake said: I think we've established a few times in this thread that both sides want to kill each other.
The point about whether or not it's genocide has been contested. The point about whether or not Israel intends to kill all palestinians (including intentionally killing civilians) has been contested. This flies in the face of those arguments.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: SirTripAlot]
#28539665 - 11/12/23 03:18 AM (2 months, 14 days ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: Although most discussions throughout the years come down to what governments should be doing " the right thing" hell, even the humane thing.....the fact will always remain that altruism and nation building (and maintaining) do not occupy the same space.
Maybe Shivas.Wisdom was right all along. Maybe Anarchy is the only solution.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#28539824 - 11/12/23 07:42 AM (2 months, 14 days ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Israel’s president holds up a copy of Mein Kampf on TV and says it was found in a “children’s living room” in Northern Gaza.
https://x.com/jrc1921/status/1723634283888161042?s=46&t=NCHEHEdgn4yG76LKXrSTrw
Don’t worry folks, the kids we are murdering are Nazis so it’s fine.
Just embarrassing propaganda. I didn’t even post the video of the fake Gaza nurse claiming hamas was stealing their morphine.
Did you see the clip of Netanyahu saying that it wasn't Hitler's idea to burn the jews... it was the Muslims that told him to do it?
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#28539885 - 11/12/23 08:28 AM (2 months, 14 days ago) |
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Netanyahu making excuses for Hitler:
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