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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28497320 - 10/09/23 06:55 AM (3 months, 17 days ago)

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List of US politicians as of 2018 with dual citizenship in Israel



Seems like a large representation from one particular party to me  :shrug:



This is just a straight-up lie.  Why would you post something obviously false like this?  I find it ironic when cryptonazis distinguish themselves from being anti-jew to anti-zionist by saying "not all jews align with Israel."  Then they equate being jewish with being a citizen of Israel with a photo like the one you posted.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
    #28499957 - 10/11/23 10:57 AM (3 months, 15 days ago)

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. If the presence of Iranian designed weapons can be assumed evidence of Iranian involvement, why does the presence of US designed weapons not imply the same?



 
    Because you comparing rifles that any of us can purchase parts for and assemble at home to a giant sophisticated missile that has to be stolen and looks impossible to hide .
    How the fuck are you going to steal a missile so large it needs a giant truck to be driven around on from Iran and then get it to Palestine with no one noticing ?
  You aren't applying the most basic level of rational thought to this .

    You really think the us or Iran could lose equipment like that without knowing exactly where it is ?




Yes, I do. Because if the missile was so giant and impossible to hide, how TF did ~3000 of them get through the Israeli blockade for the purposes of this attack?



Do you have a source for the claim that 3000 missiles were used in the attack?


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
    #28499981 - 10/11/23 11:08 AM (3 months, 15 days ago)

Cool link, but I asked for one that supports your claim that 3000 missiles were used...not 3000 rockets. Psily was specifically talking about these:



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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
    #28500006 - 10/11/23 11:25 AM (3 months, 15 days ago)

You're the one who said 3,000 of them were.  :shrug:


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
    #28500182 - 10/11/23 02:05 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

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Clearly they weren't. So, the lack of Iranian missiles being used by Hamas is now evidence of Iranian support for Hamas?




That sounds like a huge logical leap to me.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
    #28500262 - 10/11/23 03:04 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

I don't know why you'd even go there


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #28500388 - 10/11/23 04:56 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

No.  What you did was way more deceptive and dishonest than that.  Someone posted a link about hamas showing a missile and suggested that if that missile is Iranian, that would be an indicator that Iran was helping Hamas.  You then said that the presence of AR-15s would equally be an indicator that the U.S. was helping Hamas.  Someone called you out on that by arguing the vast difference between a common firearm available on the open market and a truck mounted missile.  Then you said that 3000 such truck mounted missiles were used in the attack..until you backpedaled from that to saying that rockets were used.

What part of that did I get wrong?


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28503022 - 10/13/23 09:28 AM (3 months, 13 days ago)

You've done the same victim-blaming shit in this very thread.  Saying Israel is at fault for the Hamas attack is clearly victim blaming. 

The reality is that Israelis and Palestinians can both be victims and both be at fault.  You've taken a side, of course, so that doesn't fit your worldview.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: B Traven] * 4
    #28503077 - 10/13/23 10:06 AM (3 months, 13 days ago)

Whatever we say here on this drug forum, Israel will absolutely commit mass murder on civilians in the coming weeks.  That's unavoidable.  Similarly, it is unavoidable that Hamas, or its successor(s) will regroup and find a way to commit mass murder on civilians in Israel.  This cycle isn't going to stop anytime soon, and the world will keep spinning.

Deciding who is justified in a situation like this would necessarily be arbitrary.  None of it is justified.  All of it is barbaric.  That shouldn't be surprising, given the barbaric nature of humans.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28504249 - 10/14/23 11:15 AM (3 months, 12 days ago)

Is he not a part of the Western World?


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: sudly] * 3
    #28505207 - 10/15/23 07:45 AM (3 months, 11 days ago)

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Yes, the children who voted..




The children who refused to vote are as responsible, if not moreso


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #28505527 - 10/15/23 01:05 PM (3 months, 11 days ago)

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However, hasn't Hamas made it clear they don't want to talk about a two-state system?  They want it all.  So that'll never work... at least Israel is trying to have those talks.



How did they make that clear?


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #28505584 - 10/15/23 01:49 PM (3 months, 11 days ago)

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However, hasn't Hamas made it clear they don't want to talk about a two-state system?  They want it all.  So that'll never work... at least Israel is trying to have those talks.



How did they make that clear?





"The 2017 Hamas charter presented the Palestinian state being based on the 1967 borders. The text says "Hamas considers the establishment of a Palestinian state, sovereign and complete, on the basis of the June 4, 1967, with Jerusalem as its capital and the provision for all the refugees to return to their homeland." This is in contrast to Hamas' 1988 charter, which previously called for a Palestinian state on all of Mandatory Palestine. Nevertheless, even in the 2017 charter, Hamas didn't recognize Israel."  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-state_solution





I don't see anything in there saying they're unwilling to talk.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
    #28505600 - 10/15/23 02:02 PM (3 months, 11 days ago)

Well, the nazis have been pretty eager to perpetuate that.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #28505737 - 10/15/23 03:41 PM (3 months, 11 days ago)

Everything I've read says that Hamas just was trying to crash the rave to party, and they were slaughtered by Israeli hippies.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28505771 - 10/15/23 04:06 PM (3 months, 11 days ago)

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There is no law, as far as I'm aware, that compels any member of Congress to declare or renounce dual citizenship, apart from the president and vice president.



That's not enough to assume that everyone had dual citizenship, though.  You made the claim.  That gives you the burden of affirmatively showing they have dual citizenship.  What happened to being the better man who can admit when he's wrong?  Did your highhorse run off?


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius] * 2
    #28505800 - 10/15/23 04:26 PM (3 months, 11 days ago)

It only takes once if you don't completely undermine it with something like:

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In regards the dual citizenship drama, every one of those Congress members(except the dead ones) are entitled to dual citizenship. Kryptos didn't really prove anything apart from not being able to find out if the 2 random members he chose were, they don't have to disclose if they hold dual citizenship(which I doubt any do, but). And if they are it doesn't disqualify them from serving.




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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28506643 - 10/16/23 09:55 AM (3 months, 10 days ago)

She's not wrong.  We've done two at a time before.  It's not a big deal, actually.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28506671 - 10/16/23 10:13 AM (3 months, 10 days ago)

That ship has clearly sailed, though.  Even if both sides sat down and came to some agreement, it would only serve to infuriate large portions of the population of each side who are unable to simply put murder, rape, oppression, etc. in the past.  This wound is still very open and any real peace is generations away.  That's the fact.

The best solution is to nuke the whole region and turn it all into glass.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: B Traven]
    #28506677 - 10/16/23 10:16 AM (3 months, 10 days ago)

That doesn't make it any less accurate.


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