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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28595384 - 12/23/23 02:53 PM (1 month, 4 days ago) |
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Jean paul sartre spoke with Gamal Abdel Nasser and wrote
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"The Palestinians must return to their homeland," he said. "But," I said, "will Israel accept--" And Nasser answered: "Israel can't accept." We were left with that contradiction. "Well, then what--" I said. And he replied: "Do you want to say there will be war? Hmm! How difficult, how painful!"
March, 1967
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Milleresque]
#28595668 - 12/23/23 06:56 PM (1 month, 4 days ago) |
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Or maybe Israelis and Palestinians could share the entire territory and live together peacefully
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Woah woah woah they both knew this war was coming for 50 years
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Terrorism, as Sartre said, is almost always the means of the poor.
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Maybe because that was their land for 700 years? That land does not only belong to Israel. The Palestinians have just as much of a claim to it, and they have lived in slums in gaza for 60 years. If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas. The only option is peaceful coexistence and a one state solution. Israel does not have a good track record either.
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This wasn't started on Oct 7. That was a tipping point where, like in a chemical reaction, if you do not cool a solution or you add too much solute too quickly, you may have an explosion. Oct 7 was when the cooling apparatus broke. It was entropy in action.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28596656 - 12/24/23 02:10 PM (1 month, 3 days ago) |
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I'd like to see the evidence of Netanyahu funding Hamas.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: gww]
#28596659 - 12/24/23 02:19 PM (1 month, 3 days ago) |
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Hamas has a radicalized population that Israel could have solved 50 years ago. Instead, now we have radical terrorist groups (natural byproduct of living in slums under occupation). The same is really with the Roman empire. They could have taken care of the goths and barbarians for good... They didn't. And they paid the price. And they never forgot Vercingetorix. His name was eventually picked up from the swamp it was thrown into. This is how blood feuds work between races of people and different, separated populations. Two people have to come together and make peace, otherwise there never will be. Look at Carthage. The Carthaginians absolutely hated the Romans and wrote specifically that no Carthaginian should EVER trust a Roman. They were wiped out. So, what is the answer? Peace is the answer. Peace takes money. De redicalization takes lots of money and concern for it. There simply does not exist what it would take to de- radicalize Hamas, at least yet, hopefully. The issue is really slave religion, which is the means of the powerful to exercise their will on the population, and prevent EXACTLY a true peace treaty and coexistence. The Romans fucked all this stuff up. This would never have happened if Rome didn't fall. Look at the Roman history of the territory of Palestine, which they named. Again, I always find myself back to Eleusis, which is truly, I think, the only solution for all Greek and Latin based language speaking people in the entire world.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: gww]
#28596750 - 12/24/23 03:54 PM (1 month, 3 days ago) |
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I don't think the intention was severing peace. I think the intention was illogical because it was desperate and totally tatterdemalion. Did you not say it yourself? What CAN they do, they are completely radicalized by religious fundamentalism and vengeance? There must be a real peace that comes into existence, and that is sharing all the land, AND the money, because those people ought to not live in slums. Let's not lose our own class.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: gww]
#28596761 - 12/24/23 04:01 PM (1 month, 3 days ago) |
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But many Americans too live in slums. Hence Eleusis is back in the picture. There has to be a worldwide change in consciousness, and that starts with rectifying the history of Eleusis and Democracy, which makes people understand it and, too, desire it. The ancient Greeks took care of the poor, and the Romans. There were indeed social programs invented. Alms were not invented by Christians, but they are still almost completely controlled by them. There was a pagan understanding of alms, and it comes from a deep reflection upon humanity and one another. What brings this about? Left to our own devices, it is true, we form monkey dominance hierarchies. With the ancient spiritual option... We see our true natures even in spite of nature, which is that of the reliable productions of consciousness and imagination. That is what is lacking in any solution for peace or a treaty. It is the lack of imagination.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: gww]
#28596769 - 12/24/23 04:10 PM (1 month, 3 days ago) |
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Jacques Derrida said in few words that forgiveness is only forgiving the unforgivable.
That is the solution.
"Tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner" To comprehend all is to forgive all. -war and peace, Tolstoy
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#28596779 - 12/24/23 04:20 PM (1 month, 3 days ago) |
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If the people cannot make peace with themselves then they won't be able to make peace with their enemies. If the collective cannot think and feel as mostly one, while accommodating dissension and difference, then they are not possibly a party capable of consenting to or initiating any real peace. And if peace were to come then it would necessitate both parties accommodating one another, no? How can peace truly exist between two completely different parties? Given time and possibility, there will come a time when the two's interests will conflict. If and only if their interests do not conflict can there actually ever be peace. The only quick route to this is the The Sacred Way, the Eleusinian route. Again.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#28596785 - 12/24/23 04:32 PM (1 month, 3 days ago) |
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Terence Mckenna said, no? exactly that there will come a time when the people will encounter psychedelics collectively again, and a transformation is beginning to occur, which has never been before seen. He says this will take place with images and technology. People ought to take care to remember there were people writing hundreds of years before Rome fell about their own predictions of what could happen. Many events have been predicted, and yet nothing could be done to stop it. People should take more care about predictions and mitigations that people in the future will have to deal with. Israel and Hamas is a perfect explanation of this, but it is even in Romeo and Juliet. Let us not, however, take pleasure in what are glimpses of hope in a desolate wasteland. The pleasure should be taken in doing what people failed to do in the past, which was stay true to what is even in the preamble of the constitution
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secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity
No, not posterior. Let us remember Posterity, and let that be a very important limiting factor of our decisions. Infringing upon those boundaries are why we are here. The solution will be figuring out what people have failed to figure out for centuries upon centuries. World wars are nothing new. The French and Indian war was a world war.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
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We must accept one another's flatulence. What I mean by this is an image of Benjamin Franklin saying "Fart loudly and proudly" (as opposed to the opposite) while tinkering around with his inventions. It is a perfect example of the beauty of mankind, and it's funny. We are meant to be seen with an inner golden and linear light, but we are also about mud, sticks, and grooves. If we are made in God's image, as the statement conveys, then God is like us, of a dual origin of wicked genius and something disfigured or entropic. Hephaestus is this. This is what I think is most beautiful about mankind. I think it beauty in dirtyness. Diamonds in the rough. Thinking about the first inventions of electricity as we know it while having just let one rip. Levinas says there is something fundamental about the face of the other. Upon the face of a stranger, there is either a caress or a smack to the face, in a very French way. I think it is exactly that perceived ugliness or not even ugliness but the thing about another that frightens us must be overcome, the lack of trust, the impossibility of knowing them - and having that as a possibility. What have the greatest artists given us but knowing them as deeply as possible in their creations? What, from even what little survives from some people throughout history has spoken to us if not what we have been able to piece together from a genuine interest in knowing them, which allows us to connect the dots and piece things together far beyond what would be immediately visible, like how we can know so much about Leonardo even though he said he wished he had painted more for people and felt that he had wasted a lot of his own time and failed people, essentially? No, he was wrong about that, because we are able to see the true genius of Leonardo da Vinci regardless.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28596847 - 12/24/23 05:31 PM (1 month, 3 days ago) |
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Ty.
Another great example is weed. It smells so funky, skunky, dank and stinky, and it's sticky icky but it's so good and smells amazing. It smells bad to some people... because they haven't smelled what I am talking about. I mean the flowers of the plant up close when it is about week 7 or 8 in flower. There is bound to be a variety someone thinks smells good, because all the smells are in other plants that we love. It's nature's perfect example of our own condition. Take the old Rasta for example. Everyone loves him, even if he's a bit stinky. He's funny, and he speaks to something deep about us in a childlike but elder way.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28597315 - 12/25/23 05:34 AM (1 month, 2 days ago) |
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
#28597384 - 12/25/23 08:11 AM (1 month, 2 days ago) |
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kizzle]
#28597574 - 12/25/23 01:28 PM (1 month, 2 days ago) |
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Let's not forget the American need for Israel. Let's also not forget our friends in Israel. And all around the globe. America can't become a complete enemy of everyone in the entire middle east.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: mushboy]
#28597620 - 12/25/23 02:27 PM (1 month, 2 days ago) |
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Do we not wish for democracy, even what may be left of it at whatever particular time, as Benjamin Franklin said "A republic, if you can keep it," to survive in the middle east? Do we not think democracy represents something fundamental about us as people, or do we think it is just one of many (dictatorial) designs of government, which would be some hypothetical thing? It isn't. Israel, regardless of its far right constituents, is still a beacon of democracy, regardless of whether the flame has diminished. It can be reignited, as it can be for the US. America needs Israel because Americans believe in democracy. If we did not believe democracy is a fundamental human right, then why would we care at all about other people having it?
-------------------- ☆✮★⋆I ♡ the music, not the bling⋆★✮☆ https://rictornorton.co.uk/eighteen/1730news.htm 𝔦𝔫 𝔫𝔬𝔪𝔦𝔫𝔢 𝔟𝔬𝔫𝔦 𝔭𝔢𝔰𝔰𝔦𝔪𝔦 𝔪𝔞𝔩𝔬𝔯𝔲𝔪 𝔣𝔦𝔲𝔫𝔱 May I ask what your bud type is? ❂ LXIV⁶⁴AMOR ❂Profundæ lātissimæque vēritātēs amandæ sunt, sīc ideo necesse est: rēs maxima amanda est; pōtus sit is bene scīmus cum nōs id adeō explet, cum altō hīc movet īmus: rēs maxima omnis amor.
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Blue_Lux
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kizzle]
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That isn't my quote.
-------------------- ☆✮★⋆I ♡ the music, not the bling⋆★✮☆ https://rictornorton.co.uk/eighteen/1730news.htm 𝔦𝔫 𝔫𝔬𝔪𝔦𝔫𝔢 𝔟𝔬𝔫𝔦 𝔭𝔢𝔰𝔰𝔦𝔪𝔦 𝔪𝔞𝔩𝔬𝔯𝔲𝔪 𝔣𝔦𝔲𝔫𝔱 May I ask what your bud type is? ❂ LXIV⁶⁴AMOR ❂Profundæ lātissimæque vēritātēs amandæ sunt, sīc ideo necesse est: rēs maxima amanda est; pōtus sit is bene scīmus cum nōs id adeō explet, cum altō hīc movet īmus: rēs maxima omnis amor.
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