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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #28635530 - 01/26/24 11:27 AM (1 day, 9 hours ago)

It's absolutely unreal to me seeing how many oblivious, useful idiots there are in Western society. Uninformed slacktivists parading around Palestinian flags, convinced they're correct about something they know nothing about. Imbeciles who get their information from 45s TikTok clips demanding a ceasefire after Hamas' unproved attack while both sides were at a ceasefire. It's one of the most convoluted ongoing conflicts in modern history and teenagers who heard about it last week are suddenly experts. Well, as long as it's a completely safe way to signal virtue with little to no effort.

Perhaps I'm just getting older, but with every big issue that hits public discourse, I feel less and less confident in the average person's intelligence. Schools should spend much more time teaching students to fact-check sources, avoid confirmation bias, recognize the harms of result-oriented thinking, play Devil's advocate on every stance to ensure you're arriving at well-balanced conclusions, etc. None of this is present in any of the people yelling, "FREE PALESTINE!"

Beyond being generally terrible at assessing the veracity of information, nobody seems willing to spend time researching before forming hardline stances. This is especially problematic on such polarizing issues, but even more so when broadcasting those opinions outward is so effortless. It's never been easier for the narrative to be controlled so easily by bad actors; it's frightening. People have their heels dug in so deep without any of the information required to hit that people. If these same people are also incapable of walking back their stances after being shown evidence to the contrary, you have a recipe for disaster.

You saw this with the Rittenhouse case, where even after irrefutable proof that none of what they believed were true, folks refused to acknowledge their mistake. The Israel/Palestine conflict is just the most recent example of this.

The breakdown of language is also a major contributing factor; specific terms are used interchangeably with scenarios they do not apply to. People who can't define a genocide are insisting one is occurring right now. The IDF uses targeted missile strikes on buildings that Hamas uses to conduct operations, making them valid military targets. Instead of condemning Hamas for their use of human shields, it's easier to incorrectly use words like "carpet bombing" that imply the opposite of the aforementioned reality.

It's legitimately depressing seeing how many people, many of whom I otherwise consider intelligent, being captured so easily by obvious propaganda. People should definitely be upset that civilians or children are dying, but it shouldn't rob you of your ability to use logic and reason when determining fault. To hear these immature slacktivists tell it, Israel can't engage ANY structure/area with a civilian use. Damn, Hamas with the loophole. "IDF HATES THIS ONE TRICK!" as a pop-up in the corner. But then again, if you don't believe Israel should be there in the first place, who gives a fuck? Everything they do is wrong and they need to leave!

It's absolutely UNREAL seeing naïve cretins incapable of understanding that not every culture mixes well together. People in the streets are cheering for a literal terrorist organization, downplaying their use of barbaric torture and gangrape on innocent civilians. This isn't a righteous tactic of resistance, but the product of a regressive, barbaric belief system that I want as far away as possible from me. Yet recognizing how demonstrably awful this thought system meshes with western society is "IsLaMaPhObIc!" Yes, good job, we should eliminate ANY discussion on the behavior of others. It's insanity all around.

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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: chopstick] * 1
    #28635549 - 01/26/24 11:53 AM (1 day, 9 hours ago)

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Still, it's good that it's all out in the open now that Israel is committing genocide in full view of the world with the full support of the US Government.




  • What's the difference between committing  genocide and simply responding to a military attack by a neighboring country?
  • If a small, consolidated population of people are hellbent on destroying you, at what level are you allowed to respond militarily?
  • If this group utilizes civilian infrastructure to conduct military operations, do you consider it entirely off-limits for the responding nation to target?
  • Do you feel Israel is obligated to allow events like 10/7 to keep happening?

Hamas hasn't been secret about their plans for genocide. They control Gaza. Everything they're doing is to carry out their jihad, not care for their own people. Post-10/7, they've vowed to keep planning more of these attacks, calling on the rest of the Muslim nations to aid them. At what point is the blood of dead Palestinian children on their hands and not Israel's? Why aren't we trying to eliminate Hamas from power?

mushboy,

Not only that, but intelligence suggests they didn't actually know the festival was happening until seeing it (probably the paragliders). After realizing there were a huge collection of young, unarmed civilians, they specifically navigated toward it.

And "shot up" is putting it lightly; many girls were gang raped, some had their breasts cut off while alive, many had their genitals mutilated, etc. The terrorists had specific documents with Arabic to Hebrew translations for phrases like, "Take off your pants." Sexually repressed, barbaric lunatics with zero respect for women or infidels. What could go wrong?

How anybody supports this shit is beyond me. Many of the #metoo people are conveniently ignoring this shit. I live in Seattle and these fucking clowns are doing shit like blocking the freeway and streets, today again I think. The same group of people who'd support the death penalty for misgendering their dog or something, but justifies the evil inflicted during this "resistance."

I don't believe non-combatants should be targeted, but people shouldn't ignore how ecstatic the civilians were, either. You'd see them parading in the street while driving around that poor German girl's broken body, little children hitting her and spitting on her. And they justify it. Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a thing, man.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #28635689 - 01/26/24 02:36 PM (1 day, 6 hours ago)

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Kryptos said:
I wonder how many Israeli settlers and IDF soldiers shot Palestinians during their peaceful ceasefire.




Why don't you do some research and get back to us? I'm sure if using Hamas' numbers, 84696844 innocent, peaceful civilian children have been shot while playing with white flags. Even the adults are all civilians, too. That's how it is when you purposely make 0 distinction between civilian and terrorist. Don't forget how they purposely fight in civilian clothing (violating rules of war) to get a great photo-op after removing the gun when one dies.

Here's 2 post-ceasefire deaths after ignoring the leaflets dropped, as well as orders from IDF to stay out of the area. When Hamas pose as civilians and use their homes to launch attacks, it's necessary to have a secure perimeter in a combat zone.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
    #28635692 - 01/26/24 02:38 PM (1 day, 6 hours ago)

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Stable Genius said:
the Qassam fighters withdrew to their bases safely




Quick! To the nearest children's hospital!


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #28635857 - 01/26/24 04:36 PM (1 day, 4 hours ago)

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It’s always some rando coming in here to defend the status quo.


Yes sir, your ignorance on the subject is indeed a virtue. The rest of us have been brainwashed by the massive influence Hamas and Iran have in this country.




Yes, you have been brainwashed by Hamas propaganda. You can't even correctly assess something as simple as Biden's statement on the Houthis. Something tells me you're pretty susceptible to the plight of terrorists.

Now you're upset that Biden isn't helping the shitty, ineffective group that has always been in bed with Hamas? Oh, won't somebody please think of the terrorists?!


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28635866 - 01/26/24 04:45 PM (1 day, 4 hours ago)

Given all the whining from you useful idiots, they seem pretty effective at wiping out Hamas. Oh, sorry, Hamas when alive, unarmed civilian when dead. Schrödinger's Terrorist.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28635899 - 01/26/24 05:05 PM (1 day, 4 hours ago)

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The main thing they’ve demonstrated is that they don’t mind killing tens of thousands of women and children while playing whack-a-mole chasing HAMAS fighters.




Haha yeah, it's definitely the fault of Israel that Hamas deliberately uses their own children as human shields. Everyone knows that violating the agreed upon rules of war by using hospitals and schools to conduct military operations is okay (as long as you aren't Jews). IDF drops leaflets telling them to evacuate, but obviously if Hamas refuses to let them go, the IDF is at fault for not going home. Even after realizing they'll still bomb their operations centers, they knowingly put women and children in harms way because the resulting horrors are amazing propaganda for them. Plus, they'll be martyrs and with Allah, so it's a win/win.

Who is supplying those numbers? Oh, right. Hamas, the trustworthy group of freedom fighters who don't make any distinction between terrorists and civilians. Israel = bad. Hamas = good.

The trolley problem would probably make your head explode. "I just wouldn't even go near a trolley lever!"


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28635971 - 01/26/24 05:58 PM (1 day, 3 hours ago)

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Yeah man they killed 30,000 people and haven’t affected Hamas’ capabilities at all.

On the bright side, they’ve destroyed 36 of 36 hospitals in Gaza. Score!




Definitely, man. The numbers that literally come from Hamas are extremely trustworthy. 30,000 people and none of them were terrorists, so naturally they haven't put a dent in Hamas' capabilities.

36/36 hospitals, you say? Hmm, seems like another trustworthy stat from you. And of course we're including the hospital that was destroyed by a missile fired at Israel from within Gaza that Hamas also blamed immediately on the IDF? Do you have a source for this?


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
    #28635986 - 01/26/24 06:12 PM (1 day, 2 hours ago)

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Stable Genius said:





Okay, what about here and here (from 2014) and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here?

Are these articles all lying? Does footage of them using these areas to launch attacks lie? This has been a known tactic of theirs forever, yet they keep doing it. Why? Because it draws justifiable force from the IDF, who drop leaflets and do their best to evacuate civilians (which also lets Hamas know to leave, too). And when they force their civilians to stay, it's always a propaganda win because you fools blame IDF and not them.

It's how asymmetrical warfare is going to be fought in this situation. Please point out where these Hamas bases actually are then? I'd love to see these bases that totally exist, but aren't found within civilian infrastructure.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #28636894 - 01/27/24 12:33 PM (8 hours, 34 minutes ago)

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Kizzle said:
Some of the hospitals were damaged but as far as I know none of the hospitals have been destroyed. They're nonoperational because they've been evacuated.




Well, yeah, but where's the fun in actually knowing what you're talking about or being truthful? Too much of that and you wind up on my side. I was hoping he'd have the integrity to come back and explain how wrong he was. But he obviously knows he's just making shit up so it's useless expecting him to care about facts.

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Bigbadwooof said:
There's no evidence that anyone was actually raped. Everything you've just said here is a demonstration that you are unable to "check your sources, and use critical thinking to work out the facts" as you say, because none of this actually happened. At least there is no evidence of it.

There IS, however, evidence that the IDF has repeatedly lied about these things to the entire world, and got dupes like you to believe it. Funny how you're walking around, talking down to people, acting superior, yet you're 100% wrong. Maybe you are too old to be weighing in on things. Maybe your judgement just isn't up to snuff..




Damn, losers in here are legitimately simping for a terrorist regime of rapists. The evidence is everywhere, but something tells me there's nothing that'd make you reconsider. People who don't require evidence to immediately dismiss something completely on-brand for barbaric jihadists aren't operating with a full deck.

Over 1/3 of Gazan girls are married off as minors. Don't worry, they bumped the age from a minimum of 9 years old to 15 in West Bank and 17 in Gaza (unless a judge signs off). Unfortunately, despite Gaza's very progressive policies on marrying children who can't consent, not every marriage is a happy one. The violence and assaults, including sexual, are so bad that Gazan police don't publish statistics because it might encourage more women to come forward.

As you can see, they're known to treat women very well. I'd expect nothing less from the religion that requires women be covered head-to-toe, in the desert, in order to curb their men's rapey instincts. But hey, even if one of these fine, upstanding men are forced to rape a poor girl for showing her knees or something, Hamas has you covered with their very reasonable Marry Your Rapist law.

The idea that the IDF has to frame the people setting children on fire for despicable acts takes a really special kind of brain (helmet special, obviously). But let me guess, Hamas didn't do that, either? Are you also one of those embarrassing conspiracy nuts who believe the IDF killed like half of their own with friendly fire?

Please tell me what evidence you require to validate the mass amounts of rape that these sexually repressed slugs carried out? I can't imagine any evidence whatsoever that you wouldn't easily find a way to dismiss:

  • "Hamas would never! These witnesses are paid crisis actors!"
  • "The hostages are exaggerating because Hamas actually treated them well!"
  • "The coroners describing the mutilated groin areas of the murdered women are liars!"
  • "The documents found on Hamas terrorists with Arabic to Hebrew translations for, "Take off your pants!" were planted by the IDF!"
  • "The doctors who treated the released hostages say many of the women AND men have been textually assaulted, but they're Zionists!"
  • "That video of the female hostage bleeding from her crotch was something else entirely!"

Why don't you just say you don't give a shit because the Jews shouldn't be there in the first place?

And please show me evidence of the false claims from the IDF that are duping me. I'd like to see evidence of the IDF lying about these pieces of shit committing rape.


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