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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: koods] * 1
    #28577970 - 12/11/23 12:50 AM (1 month, 16 days ago)

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As soon as Israel is done blowing up Gaza, Netanyahu will have to resign.



All the more reason for the Netanyahu government to perpetuate this conflict.

"It is correct to assume that we cannot measure this in weeks and I’m not certain that it could be measured in months."
- Israeli National Security Adviser Tzachi Hanegbi


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28577972 - 12/11/23 12:54 AM (1 month, 16 days ago)

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"You are waiting for the revolution! Very well! My own began a long time ago! When you are ready—God, what an endless wait!—it won’t nauseate me to go along the road awhile with you!

But when you stop, I will continue on my mad and triumphant march toward the great and sublime conquest of Nothing!"

- https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/the-collected-writings-of-renzo-novatore


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
    #28577975 - 12/11/23 01:04 AM (1 month, 16 days ago)

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Couple that with the deep understanding that none of us are going to risk winning the birth lottery by doing something illegal and going to jail on behalf of people we’ve never met and whose struggle we can scarcely begin to understand.

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So long as people like me and you, who would otherwise be sympathetic to the plight of the global working class, get to live like relative kings, we won’t ever risk life and limb to overthrow that system that gives us so much. Of course, there are Americans who live like shit too, but not enough for it to matter (yet).




A discussion we've had numerous times already, but you have this awful tendency of projecting your personal disposition as an inevitability for all. Does it describe the majority? Probably. Does it describe everyone? Absolutely not.

Sure, many of these people, over the years, end up either dead or in prison - but you do a disservice to the very cause you profess to champion every time you paint over them with your brush of "none of us are going to risk it".

Don't eliminate our agency in order to hide from your own.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #28578330 - 12/11/23 09:10 AM (1 month, 16 days ago)

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I tend to paint in broad strokes because the world is far too complex.

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'Most of us won't risk it' isn't a broad enough stroke for you? You can keep your simplified analysis of a complex world without adopting the absolutism of 'none of us will risk it'.

I actually agree with much of your analysis for why the majority of the global west is unlikely to revolt against the system that benefits them so much - although my conclusion is to stop waiting for a mass movement before acting - how is that any less of a realist disposition?

You're only a coward because you have it so well? Considering the numerous examples that exist of people who had it just as well - arguably better in the cases of literal nobility - yet still risked it all to resist the forces of capital, there has to be more to your decision to act as you do. One of the fundamental aspects of anarchy is recognizing the power of our individual agency. I won't blame anyone for choosing to work with this system (excluding snitches) - I won't even blame anyone for choosing to deny their own agency to act otherwise - but if you choose to rationalize your actions in a way that denies my agency as well? I'll probably continue to poke and prod at that.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic] * 5
    #28636749 - 01/27/24 10:44 AM (12 hours, 37 minutes ago)

I can’t support people who suicide attack :shrug:
Neither can I support the whole ‘ghetto’ thing.
Guess I’m fucked.


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I don't think there's any real need to analyze the Uprising in military terms. This was a war of less than a thousand people against a mighty army and no one doubted how it was likely to turn out. This isn't a subject for study in military school. (...) If there's a school to study the human spirit, there it should be a major subject. The important things were inherent in the force shown by Jewish youth after years of degradation, to rise up against their destroyers, and determine what death they would choose: Treblinka or Uprising.



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto_Uprising


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