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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic] 3
#28495491 - 10/07/23 01:24 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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This is a seriously complicated, painful, loaded subject to broach…and I’ve only had one sip of my morning coffee after the usual “fuck my life” pre dawn mantra.
And if you thought the Ukrainian thread attracted some moronic partisan opinions, well, stand back.
This is horrific and for me I have to look at actions like these as another prison riot. The violent and rebellious lashing out that comes from living in apartheid, occupied, funnelled, controlled, with your food and electricity under the control of your jailer.
It will accomplish nothing but an overly heavy response…as it always does. Israel’s government is not “the good guy”. Hamas is not “the good guy”. The Palestinian people have been living under a set of circumstances that are abysmal and illegal. This whole situation, for all people involved is simply awful and my heart breaks a little this morning, thinking of people who are just like me, going through this. Israeli and Palestinian.
I don’t know how it happens but the occupation has to stop, otherwise this shit will continue. People don’t want to live in prison. They tend to get their backs up every now and again. I hope (knowing otherwise) that Israel can use some goddamn restraint and Hamas realises that this shit only invites worse shit, but I get it. It’s a howl of anger and pain.
Now there’ll be more howling, and bleeding, and death.
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I just don’t understand what Hamas thought these acts would achieve, other than political support for the Israeli prime minister, who is an abomination. I just don’t get it. Who stands to benefit? What was Hamas end goal here?
Again, who stands to benefit the most? How could Israeli intelligence services so apparently unaware that this was in the works?
I’ll say it: Israel has been riven by political protests for almost a whole year. Benjamin has lost a lot of political captial.
He’s now getting a lot of support. Interesting.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: koods] 1
#28497172 - 10/08/23 11:02 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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Yeah. That does hit the nail on the head Koods, although barring some mass popular protest Netanyahu isn’t going anywhere. He’s in love with power and, I suspect, he would do anything whatsoever to hold onto it.
Time will tell but I’m fairly certain a snide operator like Netanyahu will squeeze every bit of support he can from this horror show.
And it is a horror show. From all angles and any way you look at it. Sometimes I wish I was some kind of hard, emotionless “macho man”, but I’m not and this bloody shit gets me really upset. we kill each other over the stories we tell. This is not a demarcation of intelligence.
“Money killing monkey over pieces of the ground.”
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Asante]
#28497263 - 10/09/23 04:50 AM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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Asante, I think I get it, but right now I’m not sure either party presently at war deserves to be weighed on so opulent a set of scales. Dull it down. WWJD?
News just in: Israel is imposing a “full blockade” of the Gaza Strip. If they’re talking an old school siege that would entail starving the entire population not yet displaced by the aerial strikes. And no where near all of those would be “terrorists”. I hope they wont do that.
No power in Gaza at present. No food getting in. Where in the fuck are people meant to go? I’m just curious.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: koods]
#28497630 - 10/09/23 12:55 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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koods said: Egypt warned Netanyahu
https://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-intelligence-official-says-israel-ignored-repeated-warnings-of-something-big/
Good find Koods, that’s actually a massive story. I doubt it’ll get wide traction although I sincerely hope it does.
Makes you wonder why you’d ignore such warnings. Hubris? Or…nah it’s got to be hubris. I bloody hope they hammer Netanyahu with questions over this.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Metoo] 1
#28498403 - 10/10/23 02:31 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Metoo said: Hamas did not co-ordinate with Hezbollah in a sense that there was no HB attack timed to coincide - this is a matter of record. The Hamas attack was probably created by Iran so no surprise their man was at hand to help run the op.
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/09/no-evidence-yet-of-iran-link-to-hamas-attack-says-israeli-military
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/09/u-s-and-israeli-officials-remain-uncertain-of-iranian-involvement-in-hamas-attack-00120606
Egypt knew. They told Israel. Nothing was done.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: mycosis] 1
#28499298 - 10/10/23 07:33 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Israeli’s defence minister has “released all restraints on troops”…whatever the hell that means. The US says that Israel won’t be actually be adopting the definition of a siege, and they’ve “had talks with the Israeli government about this”.
Don’t make me laugh and fall off my chair! I hope it doesn’t occur, but I suspect Israeli troops have been told “it’s a free fire zone” (that would fit the definition of releasing all restraints on your soldiers) and anyone trapped there as Egypt has closed its border to fleeing Palestinians…will be murdered.
This is shaping up to look a little like a project in potential genocide under the cover of war. Again I hope not, with everything I am, but the dark ultra Orthodox Jews now in power in the Netanyahu government have the best opportunity to lay waste, once and for all, to the notion of a two state solution.
We live in eden and make it hell for one another. A plague on Hamas and a plague on Netanyahu and his monsters.
Fuck.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: koods] 3
#28499539 - 10/11/23 12:41 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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koods said: I would not be surprised at all if Russia supported this attack. Seems exactly like the kind of fuckery they would get involved in
I was waiting for this. Not from anyone in particular, but I knew it would happen. Koods, you won’t accept any of the “conspiracies” vis a vis the US backing, funding and delivering the various coups and geopolitical pressure that resulted in the present European quagmire (despite a near century long history of US foreign policy, including assassination, the training of death squads and the overthrowing of democratically elected governments)….
But it’s russias doing that Hamas did this? They instructed and/or funded and/or promoted this attack?Somehow Russia also ensured Israeli intelligence and defence was looking the other way. It’s perfect! and it all makes sense!
Give me a single credible source for that chain of suppositions, please. I’m laughing.
I’d be looking at US involvement before a single other foreign power. Not for involvement in Hama’s horrific attack, but the background of decades, of policies, of a distinct failure to rebuff or admonish the decidedly apartheid regime Israel has perpetrated over the Palestinian people.
Russia doesn’t even factor in this. It’s not their fault US involvement results in so much instability and degradation. But yes, I’m sure Putin is enjoying a quiet chuckle right now.
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#28500847 - 10/11/23 08:53 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Asante said: I can't get over the Israeli intelligence services being oblivious to such a huge logistics operation when normally they detect who farted by IR satellite imaging.
Yea, that's the biggest mystery in all of this so far.
Complacency. Israel was too dependent on technology
While they do use sophisticated technology, Israel generally relies on a vast network of human intelligence to detect upcoming attacks. They’re renowned for it. Egypt knew. Egypt told Israeli intelligence (and Netanyahu directly) that there was a serious attack coming.
It’s no mystery. At least not to me. But this whole matter has already been buried by the blood happy media who don’t know which way to jump. Previous agencies/publications, once overtly publishing to raise the Palestinian plight, are now getting all wet over Israeli air attacks and the idea of a ground invasion.
Netanyahu needed this. After nationwide protests against him directly earlier this year…ooof what a bounty of political capital! If he can keep the fact of being warned squashed with disinformation, he and his ilk will get to destroy so much of Gaza the rest won’t be worth saving. And biden will allow it (ffs I watched some of his press address madness), until there’s massive international condemnation.
This is an almighty shit show of the highest proportions. What happened to Israelis was an abomination. What is and about to happen to Palestinians (who have NOWHERE to go) will be…an abomination.
Fuck Netanyahu. Honestly.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: koods]
#28500861 - 10/11/23 08:59 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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I’m not down with internet abbreviations Koods. Nor was I having a go at you mate. Was simply saying that human intelligence is what they rely on to discover and thwart attacks.
At least the guardian is still punching on
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/12/israel-hamas-war-egypt-warned-foreign-affairs-gaza
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Israel has told 1.1 million Palestinians to move further south in the next 24hrs as there will be a “ground manoeuvre”.
Yeah, leave your homes, your businesses (if they’re not already flattened) because we’ve put no retraints on our soldiers.
Going to be a bloodbath.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Blind Ass] 1
#28502796 - 10/13/23 05:27 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Hamas is claiming Israeli air strikes have resulted in the deaths of 13 hostages, both foreign and Israeli. As in as a direct result of—not in response to.
Here unfurls the fog of war for sure, but given Israel’s campaign so far, entailing white phosphorus and heavy bombardment which we have all seen, I wouldn’t be surprised if this had occurred.
That said, Hamas has also asked for Gazans to remain in their homes and hold out rather than flee, and even there I see both edges of the blade. It’s a prison and a nightmare, but people do scrape out faint edens for themselves and their children…and who amongst those who support the Ukrainians in their fight against an invading Russia, can for a second fault them for not leaving?
And then if they stay they’re likely to be blown to pieces, whether accidentally or not. And some would say as the shields for terrorists.
But it’s not so black and white. I’m forgetting the political arm of Hamas. The vote. Its not a black and white thing.
If EVER we could learn the lessons of the last two decades it is now. If there was EVER a reason for the United Nations, here is that reason.
And reason must prevail. Even if we left the age of reason lifetimes ago.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos] 1
#28508960 - 10/18/23 04:24 AM (3 months, 8 days ago) |
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I love how it goes from “biden says US will investigate hospital bombing—no mention of a massive conflict of interest, the investigation should be UN led by the way—to “Biden says ‘it seems the other team did it, not you’”, long before any investigation has actually begun.
I refuse to buy this shit anymore.
Israel releases an audio recording of two nameless Hamas terrorists (how hard would that be to contrive? I swear I’ve seen this same play before) and claims proof. Whereas no Hamas rocket can destroy a hospital like that. When 12 hours ago everyone knew Israel had done it.
Anyhow I’m tired intellectually and emotionally, forecasting the hell that’s about to be unleashed. To see those two old fucking blood lusting cretins (but how else do we recover our economies after Covid?) cuddling on the tarmac…I literally shiver.
The truth is not in either of them.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: sudly] 2
#28510211 - 10/19/23 04:33 AM (3 months, 7 days ago) |
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sudly said: All yall should be defending civilians only. Defend them from collective punishment as retaliation.
It's Israel using terrorist tactics as retaliation for terrorism by Hamas.
Legally Israel is committing terrorism as Hamas does.
Collective punishment is terrorism no matter which way you twist it.
Hamas is a terrorist group. Israel is committing terrorism.
It's terrorist v terrorist, y'all can only defend innocent civilians here.
Yeah, I’m going to say this struck me as the only sane post on this page after coming back here tonight and thinking “woah holy fuck everyone is just crazy on this in their own way”.
The sane and humane consideration is the only right one. All this arm chair weapon speciality shit and dog kennel/dog whistle geopolitical analysis of facts fed to them through a series of funneling filters gets a little old.
It needs to stop. The US vetoed an effort at a humanitarian pause, however lofty in its hope, brought by the UN sec council. That speaks plenty about the priority for the worlds leading power.
When the penultimate and singular focus, of ALL parties, peoples and the crazies who lead them, ought to be precisely a cessation of lunacy.
Period. There is literally nothing more important.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Brian Jones] 2
#28511360 - 10/20/23 05:20 AM (3 months, 6 days ago) |
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To the friendly neighbourhood Americans here,
I for one hope your Congress does NOT approve in $100 billion in (not sure if that’s in my dollars or yours unfortunately) obviously military aid biden has requested for Israel and the Ukraine. I’m not going to delve deep or quote folk, post witty memes, incorrect information or take any side you can easily now marginalise, given the collectivised spreading of our predilection to box up strangers entirely. I’m just praying to every god in the books we wrote that your legacy isn’t the funding of and involvement in another decade of war in the Middle East. Or even another few years of it. Personally, I truly hope a decent section of your employees in their places of decadent assistance and status few of you will know, who supposedly serve you, will decide to remember—as I’d implore you—the last two decades and what they wrought. Just the past twenty years…we can leave the fifty before hand alone for a moment. To remember IEDs, lies about WMDs and terrorist connections. The encirclement of civil liberties everywhere. The marriage between yourself and entirely corrupt individuals. The extrajudicial killings. Drone strikes and the “collateral” of it. The widespread and intensely felt hell of a hundred thousand families you’d never know, but who’s shattered love and connection was paid for in TAX DOLLARS.
I just hope Americans and their employees are willing to take a step back and Not bankroll what appear to the perceptive as checks on a board built from cold pitch horror. I know it isn’t simple. There needs to be a balance. But there cannot be a cheque for more death, with those willing to die to all around.
This needs to stop. I hope there’s courage yet for that in a country I respect greatly. You’re more intelligent and than this.
Peace.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: sudly] 2
#28517288 - 10/25/23 12:52 AM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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2,360 children have been killed in Gaza so far. Those are UN numbers by the way. That’s almost a hundred children a day—almost a years worth of school shootings in the states. kids precisely like yours, like my nieces…this has to fucking stop. It’s not targeted strikes with collateral like that. It’s killing people irrespective of their status, trying to kill some bad people who you think are in the area.
I care about all life, not just kids. America vetoed a ceasefire—so once more (and for all time personally) their priorities (of a democrat president no less) are well known.
Where are the war protests of 2003? Where’s the peaceable kingdom of folk out in the street saying “No more”?
Sorry, I’m empathetic and rather pacifistic. Big heart in a small body. I’m a student of history who understands things like inter generational trauma and it’s cyclic results.
Please, Forget your sides. War is always a crime. And none of those kids, already born into a life any of us well coiffed and comfortable wouldnt be able to stand, or their families, deserve ANY of this.
Smart bombs is perhaps the biggest oxymoron ever coined.
My heart breaks. I can’t just be blissfully ignorant either.
I think I’ll start reaching out to get some kind of protest going in my local area—if I can get enough people off their twittering arses and putting their bodies on the street to truly be heard.
Yeah I think I’m actually going to try doing that. Have no idea where to start but I can’t keep going like this…it’s actually affecting me.
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#28517310 - 10/25/23 01:47 AM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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Israel says it has refused visa to UN official to 'teach them a lesson'
Israel says it has refused a visa to UN humanitarian affairs chief Martin Griffiths as a result of comments at the UN by secretary-general António Guterres.
Israeli media reports that Israel’s ambassador to the UN Gilad Erdan said on army radio:
Due to his remarks we will refuse to issue visas to UN representatives. We have already refused a visa for under-secretary-general for humanitarian affairs Martin Griffiths. The time has come to teach them a lesson.”
Israel has called on UN secretary general Guterres to resign after he said that the“appalling attacks” by Hamas against Israel on 7 October cannot justify the “collective punishment of the Palestinian people”, and spoke of “the clear violations of international humanitarian law that we are witnessing in Gaza.”
Guterres had said “Nothing can justify the deliberate killing, injuring and kidnapping of civilians – or the launching of rockets against civilian targets. All hostages must be treated humanely and released immediately”
How fucking controversial for a head of the UN. To state the truth.
The Israeli government is behaving, presently, like a rogue nation. Insane.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: ashfiken]
#28519467 - 10/26/23 09:10 PM (3 months, 49 minutes ago) |
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No bueno
I love how the US can just bomb what they will inside of another nations borders…but anyone else doing it gets an instant reproach.
What fucking lunacy. You think biden wants ww3 much?
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: mycosis]
#28519469 - 10/26/23 09:11 PM (3 months, 48 minutes ago) |
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mycosis said: Man all this arguing about tit for tat is crazy.
They should just get it on! Get it on until someone taps out. Total War! To the end!
They all hate each other. It is inevitable. Just get it over with. Total War.
No rules. No war crimes. Everyone is a legitimate target. Everyone just gives it everything they've got to the end.
Get all that hate out! Let it flow! Nothing but pure red rage! 
I liked chopsticks hippy post about loving one another but it isn't going to happen.
Just get it over with.
Sociopathic much? I wonder how you’d feel if it was happening within a your own borders.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: koods]
#28519601 - 10/26/23 11:26 PM (2 months, 30 days ago) |
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In complete defiance of international law, Koods. No getting around it. Every single assassination is an actual crime. Has been that way for decades. Crimes that should be punished.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/27/gaza-before-and-after-satellite-images-show-destruction-after-israeli-airstrikes
Before and afters. Not collective punishment? Bullshit.
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