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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: SirTripAlot]
#28496096 - 10/08/23 02:27 AM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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Israel could and would take out Hamas in a couple days, if there were no other regional or world wide considerations, and obviously there are. The U.S. gives Israel a lot of slack, and the limits have not been fully tested but there are limits.
Iraq says they're joining the war against Israel, we'll see. Conflict between U.S. and Iraq has seemed inevitable, but the timing might be tricky with the American election cycle. Normally the U.S. right wing would be gung ho for this (saving Jerusalem etc.), but is American political unity possible now for any issue?
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
#28496176 - 10/08/23 05:22 AM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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Yeah, no disagreement with any of that.
I always thought Israel should give the Palestinians some land and all this could have been avoided, but that was probably naive. There is some twisted conflict beyond the land issue.
Israel has sustained peace with Egypt and can negotiate rationally with Saudi Arabia but not with Palestine. They say civil wars are the worst.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Asante]
#28505036 - 10/15/23 02:07 AM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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looks like they're going to end Hamas and everybody they consider affiliated, probably alonmg with property destruction of the families involved.
Not a good time to be a Palestinian.
When was the good time?
I'm admitting historical ignorance here. I know about the Jewish diaspora, and the Holocaust, and U.S. and U.K. setting up nation of Israel which wasn't good for Palestinians. No clue what their conditions were for the 2000 years in between. I'm guessing probably not that good either, but hopefully better than modern times.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: sudly]
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Yup.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
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That's weird the way the chin thing looks new. Maybe weight loss from speed, but I'm pretty sure Biden and Trump are both on uppers. Is there much time difference between the first three pictures and the balls on the chin one?
See my 10 minutes ago post on the Biden thread, where I'm so desperate, I'm evoking God.
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GenericHero said:You were very absolute in your position. Apparently you didn't know much about it. Why would you take an absolute position on something without knowing much about it? As to your question about killing non believers. No. Not all of them want to kill non believers, but they could probably rationalize it if they were inclined.
I guess I might have interpreted your asking for the passages as snarky or something. Incredulous maybe.
That's fair. I was raised Christian and was never told there was that part in the Bible that said to kill all non-believers.  I never really researched it because I didn't believe it in my faith too much. I admit to being wrong in my earlier logic.
There are parts of the Bible to fit any and all occasions. The Old Testament is jam packed with violence. (I always liked the Old Testament general moral outlook better; an eye for an eye, rather than all sins can be forgiven in the New Testament.
I'm sure the Koran also preaches vengeance and war as well as peace.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
#28512820 - 10/21/23 10:11 AM (3 months, 5 days ago) |
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ballsalsa said: The problem there is nuking your own territory (I mean, there are other problems but let's start here). The better thing would be some lesser show of force followed by ceding some amount of occupied territory to the stateless folks in exchange for a cease to hostilities. Then, the next time something happens you're at least covered in the sense that you're fighting a hostile nation instead of desperate, imprisoned people with no food or water.
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Enlil said: For better or worse, muslim warriors do not mind dying for a goal. Given this, it would not be hard to get a few thousand to die in a future operation by simply saying, "We got 10,000 acres of territory by doing this in 2023. Why not do it again?"
Better to promise them virgins.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
#28513634 - 10/22/23 02:37 AM (3 months, 4 days ago) |
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No politician wants to have to sell murder to the constituents.
This is historically the thing they do best.
I've seen nothing to support that. I think you made that up.
I don't. But words like freedom, peace, democracy, self-determination sound better than murder. Some of the results seem like murder to me. Collateral damage is every side's explanation, but they all know beforehand and don't care about the death of innocents.
I'm on my side, which is currently Ukraine and Israel. Wouldn't pretend that there are moral arguments around the contradictions.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
#28520881 - 10/28/23 07:29 AM (2 months, 29 days ago) |
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Stable Genius said: Nah man, it’s the casual way he talks about U.S. assassinations and this fucking invasion and ongoing occupation of 1/3 of Syria that’s the problem.
Like gtf out of Syria, go home, nobody wants the U.S. there.
IDK, probably half the people don't want Russia there either. Another proxy war. Not Sure why us and them have relatively limited involvement. Was thinking Saudi issues, but they just this year reached out to normalize relations with Syria.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: ballsalsa]
#28522070 - 10/29/23 08:39 AM (2 months, 28 days ago) |
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ballsalsa said: What about everyone who isn't a Hamas soldier caged inside a 160 sq mile area? What side are they on?
The bad luck side. The Arabs living inside Israel face more problems than usual right now, but they're still on the good luck side.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Brian Jones]
#28522109 - 10/29/23 09:17 AM (2 months, 28 days ago) |
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U.S. is hitting Iran backed targets in Syria and Iraq. Yesterday some of the articles said assumed but not confirmed Iran backed. We have 2000 troops in the region ready to go besides the Aircraft Carrier.
An American war with Iraq has seemed about a 50/50 probability, but I don't think is going to go that far now. I think the U.S wants to show the relevant world parties how U.S. and Israeli military might compare dramatically better, than say Russia. Probably succeeds at that objective unless they get booged down. Somebody has to be thinking about the election consequences. Quick is good for Democrats. Bogged down isn't.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: sudly] 1
#28527403 - 11/03/23 04:14 AM (2 months, 23 days ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Yeah I mean *gestures broadly at everything*
Maybe you have some evidence that Israel doesn’t want to eradicate these people. Everyone from the current PM to former PMs, cabinet members, IDF leaders, influential Likud party members, settlers, and everyday citizens will tell you to your face that the goal is to get rid of them all.
I've tried to avoid this whole thread, because I don't even want to try to defend "my side", under the circumstances, current or historically. I can only partially disagree with your previous statements of genocide, or the last one, "try to eradicate these people".
But genocide is an overstatement, no matter how uncomfortable I am with my argument. Israel is not exterminating the many Palestinians living in Israel. I'm also not disagreeing with your extreme skepticism that Israel's warnings to the Palestinians in Gaza to move fast or else have much humanitarian value. They can't move fast but the Arab world doesn't want them either. They're fucked.
It's partial genocide, but that's a contradiction because genocide means kill as many of them as you possibly can, like Hitler wanted to do. Israel is not trying to do quite that.
The fake "two state solution" can't be faked after this. Most Israeli governments never really wanted it, and probably nobody except the regular Palestinian people ever wanted it either. They're very unfortunate pawns. The U.S./UK have blame particularly originally, but it's not all the West now.
I'm also not thinking that the American Left and current young educated crowd's support of Palestine is going to change anything; could be wrong but probably not because of the huge power imbalance.
I still think this comes down to U.S. vs Iran conflict. Iran doesn't have enough allies now, so probably just posturing. Don't know what to make of Iran since the 79 revolution. We pushed the secular Shah on them for a couple decades, and apparently the population liked their religion better. But in the middle east our Muslims still have more power. Saudi et al pragmatically put money over religion and we pragmatically don't mention human rights.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Milleresque]
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sudly said: Israel is not avoiding genocidal rhetoric, nor are there avoiding genocidal actions.
Bingo.
Brian you made me shudder, and I wouldn’t call it precisely genocide just yet either. I’d equivocate and split hairs and ignore the deep and present fracture between the hard wall of my reality tunnel and the actual present day fact of what’s occurring; I would reach and comfortably find a rung beneath, a place for my mind to look down from thirty thousand feet and rest and determine that it is only, perhaps, the indiscriminate murder of thousands, their entire way of life, separation from their homes, businesses, schools and recreational spaces, if it means getting to the evil doers who started this whole mess. It’s the decimation of entire city blocks in order to target tunnels beneath the recently purported “human shields”. It’s ordering a million people south and then bombing their places of refuge.
It’s war crimes and things those riding the moral high ground should be imprisoned for, but no, thankfully it’s not genocide.
I shudder myself.
But I also notice none of us cares about the 8X higher death toll in Myanmar than Gaza.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
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mushboy said: israel has a few women in power positions. does hamas? i can only find one women from like 10 years ago. many female suicide bombers tho.. 
I think women still cant move around freely without male guidance in Palastine. Mandatory hijab and all that. They are certified garbage in 2023.
Iseral does conscript women in the military. They cant be judges, I think. No question Iserali women have more rights.
The chief Justice of Israel’s Supreme Court is a woman
He must have read that about rabbinical court. 51% of their civil court judges are female.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: chopstick]
#28529821 - 11/05/23 02:44 AM (2 months, 21 days ago) |
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chopstick said: Hamas has been revealing a lot of footage lately from the IDF ground op. Doesn't look like it's going terribly well for the iraeli's
I don't think it's going terribly well for anybody else either. Palestinians get screwed as usual, and neither side cares about that. The Middle East will return to the "normal" level of status quo shit show.
Iran is the only one that could change that, but probably they're not going to risk everything, and will remain a middleweight antagonist.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Desert Eagle 5.0
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: SirTripAlot]
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It has been predictable, and provoking Israel into looking bad never worked much before. There isn't a power shift suggesting regional change. Hard to envision a better future for Palestine.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: ballsalsa]
#28531466 - 11/06/23 08:37 AM (2 months, 20 days ago) |
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There were a couple huge pro-Palestinian and pro-ceasefire crowds in Washington. Crowds so huge Trump had to be depressed with his crowd size obsession. He'll never get half this many.
The was a smaller pro-Palestine protest in Tukey that tried to storm the airbase housing American Troops. The Turkish police repelled them pretty easily with water cannons and other anti-riot gear. looked like not many injuries.
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Kryptos said: Unrelated to tunnels:
I just read another column talking about how pro-palestinian protesters are all secretly anti-semites who want to go back to the blood libel propaganda.
That's really fucked up, and possibly dangerous. There are anti-semitic attacks being caused by this sort of rhetoric. Anti-zionism is not anti-semitism. Jews as a whole are not responsible for the actions of Israel, and Israel does not speak for Jews as a whole. However, Israel has a vested interest in associating those that disagree with the military occupation of Palestine with Nazis.
It's another way of turning regular everyday Jews with their own opinions into meat shields for Israel.
An oversimplification of the groups, but true anti-Semitics including Nazis are exploiting the more popular pro-Palestinian movement's rhetoric in U.S. and Europe. It makes matters worse but it's there for the taking.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Yeatster]
#28555652 - 11/25/23 05:53 AM (2 months, 1 day ago) |
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Yeatster said: Isreal is hated by practically every country in the region,
That's an overstatement. You can pretty much gauge how much any of those countries hate or doesn't hate Israel based on their relations with the U.S.
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