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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #28495452 - 10/07/23 12:52 PM (3 months, 19 days ago)

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There appears to have been no resistance at all by Israel military to stop these trucks from crossing the border.






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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] * 5
    #28495551 - 10/07/23 02:40 PM (3 months, 19 days ago)

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Yes that's the radicalist slant used to try to justify these unbelievably atrocious acts of terror!




It’s weird how there’s no outrage at the atrocious acts of terror inflicted upon the Palestinian people every day.

Easy to moralize about the proper limitations of an oppressed people as you sit comfortably in the AC in a nation that hasn’t been attacked by a sovereign nation since their great grandfather was alive.



Palestinians are not given the options that the Western media urges them to use instead of violence. We are told to be more outraged at the Boycott, Divest, Sanction movement than by illegal settlements, assassinations of journalists, and just overall wanton violence against certain ethnic groups. Even the lapdog Human Rights Watch acknowledges the apartheid system at this point.

Anyone equivocating at this point is just a useful idiot. At the very best, they are advocating for a status quo which has resulted in horrific consequences for the occupied people.




As far as what this ‘Storm of Al Aqsa’ will accomplish for the Palestinian people, that remains unknown. Obviously there is Israeli retaliation happening, level entire apartment buildings in Gaza City, and cutting off electricity to the entire of Gaza (another war crime). But what would you have them do? They’ve been living in an open air prison for over 50 years, they’d rather fight than succumb to slow death.



By the way, Mossad created Hamas to undercut the popularity and reasonable-ness of Fatah and the PLO. So don’t think Israeli leaders are weeping over this recent attack. They’re absolutely stoked that they can once again easily demonize the Palestinian people, equate them with terrorism, and accelerate their plans for an Israel entirely ethnically cleansed of Palestinians.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Milleresque]
    #28495707 - 10/07/23 05:58 PM (3 months, 19 days ago)

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I just don’t understand what Hamas thought these acts would achieve, other than political support for the Israeli prime minister, who is an abomination. I just don’t get it. Who stands to benefit? What was Hamas end goal here?

Again, who stands to benefit the most? How could Israeli intelligence services so apparently unaware that this was in the works?

I’ll say it: Israel has been riven by political protests for almost a whole year. Benjamin has lost a lot of political captial.

He’s now getting a lot of support. Interesting.




There have been reports that the joint effort was directed at the gulf state’s normalization of relations with Israel. But honestly, even if their goals were to random soldiers back to Israel in exchange for Palestinians being released from prison, it’s worth it.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
    #28496382 - 10/08/23 10:44 AM (3 months, 18 days ago)

The UN itself enshrines the right of armed struggle by occupied peoples.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: koods] * 2
    #28496622 - 10/08/23 02:28 PM (3 months, 18 days ago)

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Religious freaks killing other religious freaks. Let’s just hope they finish each other off this time before the rest of the world is dragged into their biblically based insanity.




Before? Did you forget the apartheid state side’s existence is dependent on our military support?


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] * 4
    #28497314 - 10/09/23 06:48 AM (3 months, 17 days ago)

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You don't need to be a rocket scientist to see that the US Gov goes out of its way to defend Israel even when they are flattening entire apartment buildings full of women and kids

Speaking of flattening apartment buildings, funny how Israel has been given a free pass on this for decades, they are doing it right now as we speak, but if Russia does it then we need to risk WW3 to stop it.





You leave out a very important detail here that makes your entire argument fall apart: Israel lets civilians know they are about to be bombed before they bomb them, giving the citizens time to escape.  Russia doesn't do the whole warning thing, they just bomb the buildings with the civilians inside.




“Hey folks, you have 5 minutes to leave your home before we bomb it. Also, we have walled you inside a 25 sq mile area for the last half century, so there is nowhere to go anyway. Good luck!”


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Metoo] * 1
    #28498161 - 10/09/23 08:25 PM (3 months, 17 days ago)

“Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas,” Netanyahu told his Likud party’s Knesset members in March 2019. “This is part of our strategy.”



From Haaretz

https://x.com/haaretzcom/status/1711329340804186619?s=46&t=NCHEHEdgn4yG76LKXrSTrw




I wonder what he means by that! Oh well


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: B Traven] * 1
    #28498556 - 10/10/23 08:08 AM (3 months, 16 days ago)

Well said.


Also think it’s important to note that virtually every military/resistance group of Palestine is/was participating in this offensive, from Hamas, to Islamic Jihad, to Marxist-Leninist factions.

But Hamas has the highest negative word association with the whites so that’s the noun we’re going with. Just look at the thread title.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: sudly]
    #28499195 - 10/10/23 06:07 PM (3 months, 16 days ago)

He’s right though that’s why North Korea doesn’t exist anymore.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: koods] * 1
    #28499715 - 10/11/23 07:29 AM (3 months, 15 days ago)

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I would not be surprised at all if Russia supported this attack. Seems exactly like the kind of fuckery they would get involved in




I think Putin and North Korea and Venezuela and Cuba and Iran teamed up in their secret volcano lair to launch the most diabolical plan against Israel ever formulated (paraglide out of Gaza because Bibi ignored Egypt’s warning).

Sounds exactly like the type of thing I’d make up in my head.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Ice9] * 1
    #28499718 - 10/11/23 07:30 AM (3 months, 15 days ago)

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I would not be surprised at all if Russia supported this attack. Seems exactly like the kind of fuckery they would get involved in



There are reports captured US "trophy" weapons were transfered from Russia to HAMAS for this attack to undermine the US arming Ukraine. :shrug:




That’s ridiculous though because how could there be blowback from US military involvement?

If there’s precedent for this, I’m sorry, I was born 4 days ago.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Ice9] * 2
    #28499751 - 10/11/23 08:06 AM (3 months, 15 days ago)

I think that’s a reasonable explanation. There have been reports of Ukrainians selling weapons on the black market for over a year now.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
    #28499959 - 10/11/23 10:58 AM (3 months, 15 days ago)

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If Hamas had used HIMARS I would assume that they were diverted from a shipment to Ukraine. I would not assume that the US supplied the rockets directly and willingly.

While Iran likely does want to arm Hamas, I really don't think they'd be stupid enough to do it directly in a world full of arms dealers and a major war of attrition in Europe, where war materials can quietly disappear and people won't notice.

Actually, having written all of that out...I would assume that these were rockets diverted from the Russian war effort, maybe.

Either way, as with my response to Metoo above, it seems that you are not equally applying your standard across the board. If the presence of Iranian designed weapons can be assumed evidence of Iranian involvement, why does the presence of US designed weapons not imply the same?

If US weapons can be acquired without the explicit blessing of the US, why would that not be true for Iran? Both the US and Iran have robust weapons industries and both countries are prolific exporters of weapons, often through vaguely criminal intermediaries.



The analysis is good n' all but it's fact that Hamas receives the majority of their funding via Iran since 2006 when Saudi Arabia bailed on them.




Israel receives the majority of their funding via the US. Is it the fault of the US when some random IDF commando decides to execute a few Palestinian kids on the other side of the fence?




Yes, but it’s not like the Palestinian Authority can then go air strike the United States the way Israel does Iran.

People making these analogies without pointing out the massive power disparity between the involved parties is being disingenuous.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28499979 - 10/11/23 11:06 AM (3 months, 15 days ago)

One thing I will say is this:

If Hamas wanted their attacks to carry a degree of nuance with the Western world, they should’ve joined the Waffen SS.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Skellies]
    #28500084 - 10/11/23 12:49 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

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Hezbollah is exchanging fire with Israel on the border with Lebanon. If Hezbollah chooses to increase their engagement it could be a major factor.




Sirens going off across a shitload of West Bank settlements right now, just in the wake of Bibi moving all troops to the southwest to contain Gaza.


Not sure whether it’s explicitly Hezbollah but I don’t see how they wouldn’t be involved to some degree. Some reports that the fence separating Lebanon and Palestine has been blown up, but no confirmation.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #28500839 - 10/11/23 08:51 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

So after initial reports of Hamas beheading babies (obvious bullshit), the media went quiet and the IDF said they weren’t going to investigate the claims.

But apparently nobody passed that word to Biden, who claimed today in a press conference to have SEEN PICTURES of babies with their heads cut off.

Cool thing to tell the entire world and then quietly issue this retraction later:



Biden seeing evidence really meant “he heard about it from someone.”




Just brazen, balls out propaganda.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28500890 - 10/11/23 09:16 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

https://x.com/samknight1/status/1712297474046521843?s=46&t=NCHEHEdgn4yG76LKXrSTrw


CNN, on the topic of Biden just making shit up: it might be a lie, but it’s still scary to hear the president say it.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: koods]
    #28501700 - 10/12/23 02:15 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

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I’ve been watching some Israeli news and man you think the left hates Trump, it ain’t nothing compared to the shit going down in Israel re: Netanyahu.




Honestly surprised that he’s getting blamed for all this.

But it’s not like he was well-liked before.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: B Traven] * 1
    #28501758 - 10/12/23 02:51 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

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I’ve been watching some Israeli news and man you think the left hates Trump, it ain’t nothing compared to the shit going down in Israel re: Netanyahu.




Honestly surprised that he’s getting blamed for all this.

But it’s not like he was well-liked before.




I'd imagine part of it is that "SECURITY" is very much in his wheelhouse, and underpins his party's messaging.




Agreed.

Many Israelis could stomach him so long as he kept the brown people in check. He failed.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: koods] * 1
    #28501889 - 10/12/23 04:08 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

This is why it sucks to see innocent Israelis killed. There are good people who strongly oppose the way the regime treats Palestinians, and when that regime pours gas on the fire and Israelis get killed, that same regime says “see?! This is why we need to genocide even harder.”


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