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InvisibleRonsonD
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Is it safe to take mushrooms during alcohol widthrawal with symptoms?
    #28402444 - 07/21/23 03:54 AM (6 months, 5 days ago)

If alcohol overuse has caused any health problems, e.g with liver, would that create new risks for psilocibin users?


In this study they give 25-40 mg of psilocibin per 70kg of body weight. Participants had alcohol overuse problems. According to shroomery calculator that is approximately 5 - 7 grams of dried cubensis. In they study they explicitly stated that no issues from psilocibin consumption were found in participants health. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/2795625


I know a guy who sometimes takes mushrooms but rarely. He is now widthrawing from pretty severe alcohol use, which has caused him some widthrawal symptoms. This includes generally feeling bad and having shaky hands. He also had some difficulty walking but I'm not sure it's from widthrawal or general lifestyle. He is in early 30s.

Do you have any experience or info if it would be safe to take mushrooms during alcohol widthrawal? If they consider psilocibin a way to help with stopping alcohol use I would guess it should be safe ,especially if they give people equivalent of 7 grams which is insanely large amount in my opinion, to give to a person who is not a regular mushroom user.


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Re: Is it safe to take mushrooms during alcohol widthrawal with symptoms? [Re: RonsonD] * 2
    #28402513 - 07/21/23 05:43 AM (6 months, 5 days ago)

Psychedelics, mushrooms, lsd, ibogaine have been shown to help alcoholics stop drinking. Even Bill W., co-founder of AA, was a believer of using lsd for alcoholism.

Alcohol withdrawal can be very serious and sometimes deadly. Tripping hard while in withdrawal sounds like a horrible experience. It needs to be treated by a hospital or doctor, usually with benzodiazepines until the symptoms go away.

After that, mushrooms with therapy would be very helpful, I believe. There is even more success with ibogaine. But they need to wait until after the physical withdrawal.

Good luck to your friend.


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Re: Is it safe to take mushrooms during alcohol widthrawal with symptoms? [Re: veggie] * 2
    #28402554 - 07/21/23 06:37 AM (6 months, 5 days ago)

On top of what veggie said just from the standpoint of set and setting being in alcohol withdrawal does not sound like a good idea to use psychedelics in general.


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Re: Is it safe to take mushrooms during alcohol widthrawal with symptoms? [Re: stroopwafelman] * 2
    #28402613 - 07/21/23 07:49 AM (6 months, 5 days ago)

A big micro-dose (.2-.5g dry) may help with the withdrawal symptoms but tripping in that state doesn't sound like a good idea


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Re: Is it safe to take mushrooms during alcohol widthrawal with symptoms? [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #28403441 - 07/22/23 01:52 AM (6 months, 4 days ago)

Thanks for suggestions!


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Re: Is it safe to take mushrooms during alcohol widthrawal with symptoms? [Re: RonsonD] * 1
    #28426786 - 08/09/23 07:45 AM (5 months, 17 days ago)

Muscimol (found in the mushroom Amanita Muscaria aka Fly Agaric) is supposed to be helpful for alcohol withdrawal. And the season for collecting them is just around the corner.


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Re: Is it safe to take mushrooms during alcohol widthrawal with symptoms? [Re: TheStallionMang] * 1
    #28432688 - 08/13/23 05:57 PM (5 months, 12 days ago)

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A big micro-dose (.2-.5g dry) may help with the withdrawal symptoms but tripping in that state doesn't sound like a good idea



This is what I did 3-4 times a day. Definitely took the edge off.


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Re: Is it safe to take mushrooms during alcohol widthrawal with symptoms? [Re: thirdeyewild]
    #28432999 - 08/13/23 11:36 PM (5 months, 12 days ago)

Nice! Glad to hear it helped


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Re: Is it safe to take mushrooms during alcohol widthrawal with symptoms? [Re: veggie] * 2
    #28433047 - 08/14/23 12:54 AM (5 months, 12 days ago)

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veggie said:
Psychedelics, mushrooms, lsd, ibogaine have been shown to help alcoholics stop drinking. Even Bill W., co-founder of AA, was a believer of using lsd for alcoholism.

Alcohol withdrawal can be very serious and sometimes deadly. Tripping hard while in withdrawal sounds like a horrible experience. It needs to be treated by a hospital or doctor, usually with benzodiazepines until the symptoms go away.

After that, mushrooms with therapy would be very helpful, I believe. There is even more success with ibogaine. But they need to wait until after the physical withdrawal.

Good luck to your friend.




This is just what I was looking for in regards to this question. Thank you Veggie!


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Re: Is it safe to take mushrooms during alcohol widthrawal with symptoms? [Re: covertjoy]
    #28447970 - 08/26/23 11:52 PM (4 months, 30 days ago)

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covertjoy said:
Muscimol (found in the mushroom Amanita Muscaria aka Fly Agaric) is supposed to be helpful for alcohol withdrawal. And the season for collecting them is just around the corner.




Be very careful, anyone who wants to do this. Amanita are toxic and even if you take precautions to reduce toxins there is always a change you won't do enough. Muscimol and ibotenic acid gummies, which are safe to consume as they don't contain any of the amanita toxin, are now being sold legally in many states, just look for "mushroom gummies" at a smoke shop or something and read the ingredients. Much safer this way.


Edited by Gurduuk (08/26/23 11:53 PM)


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Re: Is it safe to take mushrooms during alcohol widthrawal with symptoms? [Re: Gurduuk]
    #28447996 - 08/27/23 02:07 AM (4 months, 30 days ago)

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Gurduuk said:
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covertjoy said:
Muscimol (found in the mushroom Amanita Muscaria aka Fly Agaric) is supposed to be helpful for alcohol withdrawal. And the season for collecting them is just around the corner.




Be very careful, anyone who wants to do this. Amanita are toxic and even if you take precautions to reduce toxins there is always a change you won't do enough. Muscimol and ibotenic acid gummies, which are safe to consume as they don't contain any of the amanita toxin, are now being sold legally in many states, just look for "mushroom gummies" at a smoke shop or something and read the ingredients. Much safer this way.




They're toxic if you overdose. The 'toxin' is the Ibotenic Acid. People sometimes decarboxylate to convert the Ibotenic Acid into Muscimol so they can take it at higher doses but at lower doses the Ibotenic Acid won't harm you. Some people do a cold water extraction to keep the Ibotenic Acid in as it is more energising than the Muscimol which is more of a deliriant/hypnotic. If you eat a whole mushroom or two without decarboxylating and have too much then yeah the Ibotenic Acid can make you feel ill.

To help with alcohol withdrawal, decarboxylation and microdosing/sub-threashold would probably be most appropriate, although a little experimentation with Muscimol at more psychoactive dosages wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing either if one feels inclined.

That being said, Gurduuk is right, you should be careful and do some research before embarking on such an endevour. The information is out there. A good place to start is here:




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Re: Is it safe to take mushrooms during alcohol widthrawal with symptoms? [Re: Gurduuk]
    #28451151 - 08/29/23 01:04 PM (4 months, 28 days ago)

Some of these sellers have been partially fabricating lab reports. Contacting the source lab has come up with evidence that the gummies contain no amanita,
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Gurduuk said:
Muscimol and ibotenic acid gummies, which are safe to consume as they don't contain any of the amanita toxin, are now being sold legally in many states, just look for "mushroom gummies" at a smoke shop or something and read the ingredients.




Some of these sellers have been partially fabricating lab reports. Contacting the source lab has come up with evidence that the gummies contain no amanita. Instead they contain THC analogues.


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Re: Is it safe to take mushrooms during alcohol widthrawal with symptoms? [Re: Jacubey] * 1
    #28476180 - 09/20/23 10:15 AM (4 months, 6 days ago)

I’m a physician. THIS IS MEDICAL ADVICE. Alcohol Withdrawal is deadly. Please go to the nearest emergency room. Do not take shrooms. There has been no scientific studies in the use of shrooms for alcohol withdrawal. Your friend needs urgent medical attention.


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Re: Is it safe to take mushrooms during alcohol widthrawal with symptoms? [Re: Zav3r] * 2
    #28476218 - 09/20/23 10:40 AM (4 months, 6 days ago)

https://nyulangone.org/news/psychedelic-drug-therapy-may-help-treat-alcohol-addiction

There are dozens more.

Medicine is a vast feild. Maybe you should not make recommendations that fall outside of your area of study.

The post you replied to is 3 weeks old. I think the urgency is likely over and they are onto the next phase.


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Re: Is it safe to take mushrooms during alcohol widthrawal with symptoms? [Re: thirdeyewild]
    #28476478 - 09/20/23 02:31 PM (4 months, 6 days ago)

Just wanna help that’s all. I don’t mean anyone any harm. I wish the best to you thank you for letting me know!


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Re: Is it safe to take mushrooms during alcohol widthrawal with symptoms? [Re: thirdeyewild] * 1
    #28477262 - 09/20/23 11:31 PM (4 months, 5 days ago)

Seems like OP did ok getting thru the first part with some frequent MDing

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TheStallionMang said:
A big micro-dose (.2-.5g dry) may help with the withdrawal symptoms but tripping in that state doesn't sound like a good idea



This is what I did 3-4 times a day. Definitely took the edge off.




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Re: Is it safe to take mushrooms during alcohol widthrawal with symptoms? [Re: Zav3r] * 1
    #28495301 - 10/07/23 10:06 AM (3 months, 20 days ago)

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I’m a physician. THIS IS MEDICAL ADVICE. Alcohol Withdrawal is deadly. Please go to the nearest emergency room. Do not take shrooms. There has been no scientific studies in the use of shrooms for alcohol withdrawal. Your friend needs urgent medical attention.




Believing only the things supported by scientific studies and disregarding any other type of information is for people that believe our government is looking out for us


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