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(15mg edibles THC) Journey into "the Ineffable" * 2
    #28495256 - 10/07/23 09:21 AM (3 months, 19 days ago)

Okay, so I had 15mg of edibles and -- holy eat -- that was incredible..!!

I already posted my mystical trip report on 4 grams of Penis Envy here.

So, there's some thought that because weed is more legalized, that somehow it's "less powerful" than shrooms.

I don't know if I would agree with that. I had a 15mg dose of edibles last night, and it was very psychedelic. I took a week tolerance break before dosing after just vaping weed, and this experience continued the pattern of "each trip being more profound than the last". It is just what I needed.

Anyhow, here's the trip report, as best as I can do.

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I start with wondering whether I'm going to try tincture or edibles (note I had a relatively empty stomach, as I just had a small Chipotle bowl that day). I thought I was going to take a mix of both, but I decided to just do the edibles, because I wanted to know which was which effect for the future. So, I began by eating these 5mg of fast-acting edibles. I started with one, and then decided to go all in... doing three of them for a total of 15mg. It's at this point, that I get that feeling that I do with shrooms...

"What have I done?!"

I play a relaxing music to calm down, and it does well.
Then I start listening to this magical music that begins to transport me into this ineffable mind state I always get on drugs. This state I just can't explain. I note to myself my frustration in my inability to explain it to other people, and relieve myself of the duty of trying to explain the unexplainable. This brings much relief.

Then within 30 minutes, just like with the shrooms, my music video player starts to come "alive". Everything comes "alive". It feels like everything in Reality is like this generation of the essence of existence, if that makes sense. Like, it feels like my ineffable experience is one of the many incredible things Reality can produce! And that I am alive, and all of existence is alive through my experience, and this is what Reality can show itself!

I then experience the revelation that I can never explain when I "return". It's impossible to impart it to someone who hasn't experienced it, even to yourself after you "return". One just has to experience it for themselves to understand it. This very much soothes me, as I'm now sure the mystical realm exists.

I get an urge to post this to the Shroomery: "I don't know, I just get this feeling I've seen "the ineffable" on weed & shrooms," essentially trying to seek reassurance that others have seen the same thing and that I'm not alone.

As soon as I log on, I see someone post this message, that was exactly what I intended to write:

Quote:

"sometimes i get these episodes of feeling stuff that i never thought id ever experience",




... which is exactly what I meant. I'm experiencing something that I didn't think was even possible! Massive synchronicity!

AspectofTheCreator's post also gets me:

Quote:

I have had this happen to me. It was by far (minus tripping) the weirdest experience of my entire life.

I was driving to a girl's house. Something I had done hundreds of times before. She lived right down the street, in an area I had grown up in and lived in for ~30 years at that point.

I had to pass by my old middle school to get there and at some point near the school it suddenly dawned on me that I didn't know where I was. It was like nothing was familiar. While this feeling was going on, I was somehow aware that I should know where I was, which is what lead to the utter weirdness of the situation. I knew that I should know exactly where I was but I didnt. I pulled over and thought maybe I was having a stroke or going crazy. Almost wanted to call an ambulance or something.

Eventually it faded after maybe 5-10 minutes. But I'll never forget it and it never happened ever again.




I get the feeling that I'm there in the experience that AspectoftheCreator describes. It feels so vividly real and transportive. I bask in the magic of being in his mind, and what it must have truly felt to be "there", and that it was a psychical reality that the universe actually experienced through AspectoftheCreator. I get the impression that AspectoftheCreator's experience was another experience of "the ineffable", or that it was a metaphor for something more. That it meant more than what the words literally described, that it was about an inexplicable feeling we can all experience.

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At the 45 minute mark, I start feeling a bit of "good" anxiety that the "trip" with edibles is supposed to start at the 1 hour and 45 minute mark, not 45 minutes!! And I was ALREADY gone! I was already getting revelations that were too eerie and exactly matched my dreams that night.

"I overdid it", I think to myself as I start to disintegrate into the experience.


From there, it gets quite hard to report what exactly I experienced, but I started to feel like everything in Reality melted. I started melting into my bed and felt like I was making motions that were "alive". Everything became, almost choreographed, like I was in a derealized/depersonalized movie that was streaming my life "the Solarshroomster life". It was like I was a video that Reality was playing in the infinitude of existence. Damn, wish I can explain.

This then exactly matched my experience that day, where someone kept saying "today would be a good day to see the movies!" Everyone kept talking about the movies.

I then marvel to myself how weed is legal for medicinal but not shrooms when they can take me this "far". I get the impression that all of this is giving access to another "form of Reality".

I then look at a cover to a book, and it starts "communicating to me". The background becomes a message, then the details become a message, then all of it together is taken as a larger meta message... a story is then crafted about this entire book, that becomes like an entire movie with a plot, story, characters. I become each of the characters living in all those worlds.

I started thinking of the suffering, and I become the suffering of everyone who has ever lived, and I now recognize that, regardless of who we are, we all bear the suffering that we cause to others. Because we are all one with our source, we are a family with masks that cloak the difference. Once the masks are removed, the same actors come behind the play. Like, we are all part of one script together, and the roles change, but the theme is the story for all of us -- prisoner, ruler, lover, loner, etc. All of this is a story that we are crafting TOGETHER. Let's take it in the right direction! This is a moral responsibility, and one I can't escape.

I then become this character to a world, who is trying to heal evil. I am trying to do things nobly, but it's a difficult battle, as it is a timeless battle. I take on the role of unconditional love and then glimpse further ineffable truths into the nature of existence...

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Hard to really explain what I experienced, but I'm baffled by the thought how someone can have an "idea' in their mind, that they haven't shared to someone else. Like, an idea really exists in their mind, but not to the other person. And then, once its shared, the idea is communicated, the world is born, and we can "see".

I then feel that the reason why I've been alone is because I'm schizotypal and unable to form psychical connections to others. I can't share the divine. I can't share what I know to be true in mind.

I make a commitment to follow the Message in mind where it takes me, with the rule that I will never hurt myself or others.

**

At this point, we're maybe 1 hour into the experience. I marvel how time * space are constructs of the mind.

No mind, no time or space to "experience".

I was getting massive "layering" at this point, something I've called "shpongled", or "asynchronous time", or "the strobe light effect', where events get stacked in a way that forms another message beyond the linear portrayal from "start" to "stop". It forms a distinct message.

I feel like I can talk (without talking) and hear (without hearing). Like, I'm doing it through another medium.

I then feel an extreme rush of wonder at near-death experiences (NDEs), and how they too seem to speak around "the ineffable" too. Like, you experience something, but you don't have words to explain it.

"The ineffable" amazes me. Like, to me its proof, that there are "other worlds", things that are so indiscernible, they are irreconcilable to certain worlds. At this point, I meld into this thought... and it blows my mind!

I marvel at how someone can say one thing and mean another, that our words can take on more than their literal surface level appearance. That there could be a secondary meaning that is "read between the lines'. And then this becomes the theme for mystical truth: we script the play on the surface level, but then there's a higher meaning that extends from it, meaning that can only be interpreted from a conscious perceiver.

Like that old quote from William James:

Quote:

Ineffability. — The handiest of the marks by which I classify a state of mind as mystical is negative. The subject of it immediately says that it defies expression, that no adequate report of its contents can be given in words. It follows from this that its quality must be directly experienced; it cannot be imparted or transferred to others. In this peculiarity mystical states are more like states of feeling than like states of intellect. No one can make clear to another who has never had a certain feeling, in what the quality or worth of it consists. One must have musical ears to know the value of a symphony; one must have been in love one’s self to understand a lover’s state of mind. Lacking the heart or ear, we cannot interpret the musician or the lover justly, and are even likely to consider him weak-minded or absurd. The mystic finds that most of us accord to his experiences an equally incompetent treatment.





Or:

Quote:

“Queer, in fact maddening, to think that ‘beauty’ in nature is for us alone: for the human eye alone. Without our consciousness it doesn’t exist,” Joyce Carol Oates wrote in her journal. “All of nature, all of the given ‘world,’ is in fact a work of art. Only the human consciousness can register it.”





Or;


It feels like we are all alone in our inability to explain the deep psyche within our mind. That we are all like universes, or portals into other dimensions that are alive. And our ability to connect to one another, to share, helps the world interconnect itself. But it's like a multiverse that's all interconnected, if we want to open our minds and stream ideas & worlds into one another. We are all of the same source, so we can do this.

Again, the book cover then appears to create "other worlds". All of these synchronicities start happening that connect all of my dreams and events of life together in an impossibly choreographed way. I feel as if I'm the greatest movie director in my life, using the "scenes" from my life to produce a great movie about the existence of the mystical world. The book becomes a combination of an American flag, galaxies and space, a religious symbol, a meta message, time travel, dimension traversing... and I feel each of these very vividly.

**

The music that I'm listening to now more clearly sings the subliminal messages that I thought I heard when I was tripping on weed before in prior sessions. It's pretty dang clearly, to be honest, talking to me. It says my father's name. It instructs me to "get up". And I could have sworn I heard this in the "random noise" before, again, in prior sessions, but I thought I was mistaken. Like, there's no way the music is actually talking to me and has hidden words in it. It's a weird pattern-recognition effect of Reality, that we can distill meaning from essentially what it (appears to be) almost white noise. But, yet, I keep hearing this ineffable, indescribable pattern over and over again.


**

One revelation I got was to trust uncertainty, to trust not knowing but believing, to having Faith. It sounds cliche, but, at the time, the story in my mind made that message come across in a way that it didn't feel so platitudinal.

I recognize how we all have different perspectives in the larger creation that is all of existence, Reality, and I was just seeing different patterns.

I felt like, at this point, there's no doubt that "the mystical" exists, despite my incredible doubts when "I return" (my music as I'm re-reading this now... just started saying "as I return" over and over again, another synchronicity). That the experience is too significant, that the odds that it would just be "random noise" is virtually... nil. I become very confused why people aren't making a bigger deal about this, why I haven't heard about it.

To be honest, that's my biggest confusion with this mystical stuff: why aren't people talking about this more? It seems like a pretty big deal. Like, if you experienced the Divine, wouldn't you be talking about it endlessly or try to explain it endlessly, like I do?

Or, at some point, do just give up and accept you can't explain it?

I feel like I can stop trying to explain it to other people, but I take solace in the fact that I ultimately don't have to.

**

Also, I got some message that I need to go to a certain place at a certain time in my life and wait for the great secret to be revealed to all. (Okay, I know this sounds relatively manic, I'm aware :grin:). I'm not going to describe what that place is, but it's another part of America. I feel like I need to go there and wait for the great secrets of life to unravel themselves, basically the "day of Revelation". (Again, I know, I know, sounds pretty manic, but it is what it is). That we are all waiting for that day when everyone will wake up.

**

All in, there was a lot of "visionary ideation" during this experience, and I feel like it set me up well for trying ketamine in a week or so from now.

Until then--!

Love & light!


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Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."


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Re: (15mg edibles THC) Journey into "the Ineffable" [Re: solarshroomster]
    #28500032 - 10/11/23 11:52 AM (3 months, 15 days ago)

that's a great share, and a good description of fast acting THC dosing too.


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Re: (15mg edibles THC) Journey into "the Ineffable" [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28501044 - 10/11/23 11:46 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

good luck with ketamine, it's awesome

the divine is still material and just has the quality it has, the meaning it has. like it's only that good ykwim

it is important to be clear about everything

do awaken the world everyone

by being kind and by meditating and by being honest. as honest as possible


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with our love with our love we could save the world


Edited by Ferdinando (10/11/23 11:50 PM)


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