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el gordo
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semilanceata ?
#28494130 - 10/06/23 06:10 AM (3 months, 21 days ago) |
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ive found this in the eastern pyrenees around 1800m high pastures, they scream psilocybe to me , probably semilanceatas but never found them before so i have no real idea... what do you think? thanks!




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Re: semilanceata ? [Re: el gordo]
#28494188 - 10/06/23 07:53 AM (3 months, 21 days ago) |
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Psilocybe, definitely, but not P. semilanceata. They resemble P. fimetaria or perhaps P. hispanica.
Did they grow from dung or from grass/soil?
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Quote:
Anglerfish said: Psilocybe, definitely, but not P. semilanceata. They resemble P. fimetaria or perhaps P. hispanica.
Did they grow from dung or from grass/soil?
Reminds me of p. fimetaria
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I believe the mushrooms in question here, are either P.fimetaria or P.liniformans, depending on the gill edge.
All these mushrooms from the Pyrenees should be sequenced, especially if found in the Aragon region, which is the type locality for P.hispanica.
For now it seems to me that hispanica is either semilanceata or fimetaria, with the latter being much more likely. Prints labeled hispanica were much more responsive to cultivation during the years, and in the last few years fimetaria concept is better understood, so most of the hispanica prints were likely fimetaria prints to begin with. People did not understand what fimetaria is, and now we have a better understanding, because fimetaria findings confirmed by dna are stacking up.
To be clear, this is all judging by the spore prints labeled hispanica and the mushrooms they produce. These fruits look like the fruits from the genetically confirmed fimetaria grow. So to conclude, people probably used to write the name hispanica on the prints due to awareness it's definitely not semilanceata, and not understanding what fimetaria is. I'm yet to see standalone sequence of hispanica, or a picture at least - that's not so obviously fimetaria or semilanceata. Another species worth mentioning from Spain is P. gallaeciae, extremely interesting species to me, which might or might not be the same as P.hispanica, obviously assuming hispanica is a real species i.e. different than fimetaria/semilanceata. There are some pictures of P.gallaeciae, and it seems it belongs to sect. Mexicanae.
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thanks for the responses!! the fimetaria matches closer because of the black spore colour instead of the brown liniformans, sorry for saying central pyrinees (edited), was the estern pyrinees like 100 km from the aragonese area, not on horse or cow dung, grew straight from 2cm high grass, but the area is filled with horses and cows. i 'm printing them and cloning the stems at the moment, didnt know anything about sequencing them... how it has to be done??? this is the collections place
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Re: semilanceata ? [Re: el gordo] 1
#28494409 - 10/06/23 12:47 PM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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Color of the print is not reliable way to distinguish these two, rather the fact liniformans has a separable gelatinous gill edge layer, you can strip it off with a needle, fimetaria lacks it. Liniformans appears to be rarer and also occurring in the Northern Europe mostly, but I am aware of one find from Spain, my friend in mushrooms Xavier Nadal found it in eastern Pyrenees, in Cerdanya.
Check out these links for what you should be looking for, regarding the gill edge: https://mushroomobserver.org/509119?q=1pCOq https://mushroomobserver.org/431970?q=1pCOq
Sequencing is a simple process of extracting dna and analyzing it. You can do it very easily, since it is done in Spain. You mail the specimens and later you get the dna sequence (identification basically). It costs around 20 euros. http://www.alvalab.es/
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el gordo
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got the pellicle! many thanks for the accuratee description, nice to hear that were already found in la cerdanya because its really close to where i found it maybe 10-20 km, so almost sure its fimetaria, thanks again!
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Re: semilanceata ? [Re: el gordo]
#28494683 - 10/06/23 05:34 PM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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awesome find OP!
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Nice find. RenegadeMycologist is pretty much spot-on with his comment.
I would say those are P.fimetaria that were growing from well-decomposed dung that has sunk into the earth a bit, giving the illusion of them growing from the grass like one would expect P.semilanceata.
However, the lack of velar remnants and a bit of a gut feeling suggest that it isn't impossible that they are P.liniformans. I would suggest looking for some separable gill threads with a pin/needle. If the specimens are too dry, maybe rehydrate one of them. If you find any, please photograph.
I'm currently trying to sort out the P.fimetaria/P.hispanica concepts, hopefully in a few months we will have something a bit more conclusive.
OP, I will send you a PM if you don't mind.
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Re: semilanceata ? [Re: DH42]
#28495584 - 10/07/23 03:03 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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hey!! thanks for the interest and the information dh42 and all of u. here's the undewear pictures, i hope they're useful for u to see...i did the best i could .. sorry...🙄

Edited by el gordo (10/07/23 03:10 PM)
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