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Tripping and the Occult
    #28486473 - 09/29/23 07:25 AM (3 months, 28 days ago)

Anyone here have experiences/opinions they would like to share about this subject. Recently i have been following the teachings of Damien Echols on youtube and find it all quite interesting.


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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: The Patient] * 1
    #28486507 - 09/29/23 08:19 AM (3 months, 27 days ago)

The lake is deep. Occasionally I get to see beyond the ripples on the surface.


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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: The Patient] * 1
    #28486691 - 09/29/23 11:41 AM (3 months, 27 days ago)

It's definitely a deeply fascinating intersection of topics.
Viewing the psychedelic experience (and life in general) through the lense of the occult can lead to some interesting thoughts & experiences.
I found Damiens book "High Magick" is a great jumping off point to begin understanding, conceptualising & practising basic but solid rituals and concepts from the Western mystical traditions.
Since you like Damiens youtube, I also recommend the first episode of DTFH with him on (that made its way onto the show Midnight Gospel in the Cat Captain episode)such a great conversation that I've went back to many times over the last few years.

As with music, spirituality, psychedelics, ecology -I suppose anything really- I think a lot of occult concepts & lessons are best understood alongside practically applying them in daily life, such as in the practise of magic.
You can practise meditation without magic but you can't practise magic without meditation.
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Here are a few bits I like in regards to the occult that could serve useful for someone looking to combine magic practise and psychedelics at any point.

Glitch Bottle with Josephine McCarthy on nature magic
OEITH The terrors of awakening
Sacred path of the Warrior
Total I Ching
Magic: White and Black
Liber Kaos
Bardo Thodol
Hermetica


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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: Lithop] * 1
    #28487019 - 09/29/23 07:29 PM (3 months, 27 days ago)

Thankyou Lithop for you're in depth response, I have always been drawn to this topic and try to apply magic and meditative practises to everyday life.


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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #28487020 - 09/29/23 07:30 PM (3 months, 27 days ago)

Likewise brother :grin:


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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: The Patient]
    #28488426 - 10/01/23 05:43 AM (3 months, 26 days ago)

Can anyone recommend me some musicians who incorperate occult studies into their music.. i know a few obvious ones like led zeppelin,tool,earth etc


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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: The Patient]
    #28490485 - 10/02/23 11:07 PM (3 months, 24 days ago)

I think drugs can show you deeper majix.


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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #28490531 - 10/03/23 01:31 AM (3 months, 24 days ago)

I think certain drugs can unlock new perspectives we couldnt reach otherwise.


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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: The Patient]
    #28542982 - 11/14/23 05:20 PM (2 months, 12 days ago)

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I think certain drugs can unlock new perspectives we couldnt reach otherwise.




Tripping on various substances allows you to achieve "gnosis" much easier, they call it "chemignosis"... which is the state in which you are most able to perform magickal acts. The thing people don't understand is that shamans are actually a form of magician or witch doctor.

Damien practices ceremonial in the western hermetic tradition of magick. He's part of the oto, founded by Aleister Crowley. Ceremonial magick is really interesting but is also very rigid in its structuring. I personally mive more with chaos magick ideologies. Which is more of a "diy" kind of magick, however I still incorporate some western magick in there. His stuff is a great place to start for beginners. I'd look into some other people too though. The book "Condensed Chaos" by Phil Hine is a wonderful resource. You should also check out "The whole rabbit" podcast. The hosts are young magicians/ witches / wizzards that as super fuckin funny and also very smart and knowledgeable. They're also into psychedelics and have lots of stories about tripping. They have entire podcasts about using drugs in magickal practice. Glad I came to this part of shroomery, this was the kind of thread I was looking for just now.


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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: cornwallacediggler]
    #28544425 - 11/15/23 06:34 PM (2 months, 11 days ago)

Yeah my introduction to this subject was through watching a lecture about chaos magic by Grant Morrison and how he incorporates sigils into his comic books and had some pretty wacky results.


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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: The Patient]
    #28552051 - 11/21/23 08:04 PM (2 months, 5 days ago)

I have a copy of the invisible. It's awesome! The idea if hypersigils like what Grant Morrison did with his comics is wild!


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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: cornwallacediggler]
    #28557828 - 11/26/23 10:16 PM (2 months, 8 hours ago)

He's kinda like Eckart Tolle in that he is recycling a lot of old ideas in a way that makes them attractive to modern audiences.


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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: CrayolaHalls]
    #28557871 - 11/26/23 11:47 PM (2 months, 7 hours ago)

I think the key to occult study is intentions..

Intentions can become real is the law of Magick.

Then you learn the true meaning of everything through your occult perspective..

Then you learn the force.. the ability to alter the laws of physics..


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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: BrendanFlock] * 1
    #28557908 - 11/27/23 01:45 AM (2 months, 5 hours ago)

I learned today that everything, every object has a magical value and potential.

Everything is a sigil.

But to what it is communicating is a hard thing to understand..


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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #28560191 - 11/28/23 10:58 PM (1 month, 29 days ago)

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Damien Echols teaches the rituals that helped keep him whole on Death Row






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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: Lithop] * 1
    #28560396 - 11/29/23 07:03 AM (1 month, 29 days ago)

Interesting sources, Lithop.

from Magic, white and black




This looks to be following in depth aspects of elementals that took me in the spiritualist books about the afterlife. I might be reading this thing. Score!


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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: syncro]
    #28560855 - 11/29/23 02:11 PM (1 month, 28 days ago)

Yeah that one looks interesting.

Magic is reels y'all. The universe is sustained by it, not "laws" as such.


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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: lostintimenspc]
    #28563218 - 12/01/23 02:15 AM (1 month, 27 days ago)

The first two chapters are like moral penance and generalities that are known, very wordy and hard to get through.

Chapter three is getting better.



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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: syncro]
    #28563274 - 12/01/23 03:42 AM (1 month, 27 days ago)

Knowledge of alchemy helps in studying the occult..

Hidden images, emblems of masks unseen and unbeknownst to the public auction..

Everything thing you do with a person or thing is an exchange! Whether its of verbal cues.. language developed.? Or even un(sub)consciousness.

Whether its the rate that you understand this energy exchange..

Energy is love.. if kept in its right direction.

Love is free.

Christ be with you.. christos white magic.. sometimes calls for anarchy..


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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #28578419 - 12/11/23 10:35 AM (1 month, 16 days ago)

"Why do we not rest at once?"
"When you lay down these burdens!"
"How does the small join itself to the big?"
"When you abandon the works which will not be able to follow you,
then you will rest."
-from the Sophia of Jesus, Nag Hammadi - actually the Dialogue of the Savior

In that light, then looking at that which will not be able to follow, in a flash I was not able to discern - nothing was found, or that which cannot follow, is nothing. In that instant was tathata imo/e. Credit to the words which cause it for anyone.


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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: syncro]
    #28579136 - 12/11/23 07:24 PM (1 month, 16 days ago)

"All the works which depend on them, it is they [...] over the heaven above and over the earth below. On them depend all the works."

This is from the same. There is a lot missing or not legible from the writing, therefore brackets as such. If I am interpreting correctly this is the astral 'water', akasha, many names - implying that from within the 'astral light' is essence of all functioning here, as shadows from light, as the subtle comes before the gross. In the context I believe it is also considered the soul (astral) as distinct from spirit, or I may be mixing in more directly Theosophical ideas. The Gnostic and Theosophical writings show similarities in this.


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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: The Patient]
    #28579145 - 12/11/23 07:28 PM (1 month, 16 days ago)

I am loving this thread.
As this is something I am unsure about how I feel.
I don't understand how magic, demons, witchcraft, etc.  fits into my spiritual beliefs.
I just don't know...
I am so interested in what you guys have to say.
Because I do not have a solid opinion.


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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: syncro]
    #28579150 - 12/11/23 07:29 PM (1 month, 16 days ago)

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"All the works which depend on them, it is they [...] over the heaven above and over the earth below. On them depend all the works."

This is from the same. There is a lot missing or not legible from the writing, therefore brackets as such. If I am interpreting correctly this is the astral 'water', akasha, many names - implying that from within the 'astral light' is essence of all functioning here, as shadows from light, as the subtle comes before the gross. In the context I believe it is also considered the soul (astral) as distinct from spirit.




Akasha like akashic records?
Any similarity?


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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: loladoreen]
    #28579229 - 12/11/23 08:04 PM (1 month, 16 days ago)

Akasha I understand as meaning space, sky, atmosphere, and akashic would be the same. I'm not sure how the akashic records relate to the implied ocean of life that surrounds and penetrates the earth. Yet it was said of the astral worlds, 'all thought comes here'. Everything manifest here, visible or invisible, is there and remains according to strength and intention behind it. Higher or loving thoughts (acts) have eternal nature as they vibe with the spirit which I loosely equate with the mental or causal natures above in manifestation. Perhaps there is the Will which is emphasized in the particular text - all things elemental, which I without certainty equate with all things astral, subservient to the spirit and higher intelligences.


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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: The Patient]
    #28579234 - 12/11/23 08:06 PM (1 month, 16 days ago)

The Akashic Records are an [energetic] library of information that contain the details of your soul and its journey. They span through past lives, present incarnations, and future possibilities

I copy and pasted that definition. I like that one.
https://www.wellandgood.com/what-are-akashic-records/#:~:text=The%20Akashic%20Records%20are%20an,present%20incarnations%2C%20and%20future%20possibilities.


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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: loladoreen]
    #28579256 - 12/11/23 08:19 PM (1 month, 16 days ago)

In both implications I think of that said, all things hidden will be revealed, are revealed.


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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: loladoreen] * 1
    #28579280 - 12/11/23 08:33 PM (1 month, 16 days ago)

"magic"

from earlier -

I finished Magic, White and Black recently, and was meaning to comment. The choice of the term magic is interesting and confusing to me more broadly, as well the term chaos, hardly mentioned that I've seen in these Theososphical or spiritualist writings, though I'm satisfied chaos in a refined sense is the same as void or mahamudra, samadhis then generally, but why the term chaos? The other terms are of stillness and peace, and the power of such, yet in the wake or sometimes during, we see increasing dynamics of manifestations and other effects.

The book hardly mentioned magic at all in the way it would be assumed - it is a spiritual teaching not unlike reading Vasistha or Hermes perhaps though modernized (early 20th century I think), no spells, charms, no 500 euros.

It did lightly touch on elemental forces being used for goodness (or not) that can have significant influence on men and animals etc. I've gradually entertained the idea that we are nothing here but such 'external' influence. What is (lower) manifestation of spirit but elemental or astral? The joining of the spiritual and elemental I'm not clear on but that elements are subservient to higher intelligences. Across teachings we know is the idea of the higher willing to put monads into the elements for the very purpose of seeking themselves, higher natures through the elements.


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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: syncro]
    #28579303 - 12/11/23 08:54 PM (1 month, 16 days ago)

Why? As for the Gnostics, and I've heard it in the yogas, a popular principle, Shiva recently with the intention to plant his light in jivas into the elemental worlds, there is a warlike or corrective connotation as in the Sophia of Jesus, "I have cut off the work of the robbers", "Tread upon their malicious intent", the authorities.


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    #28579305 - 12/11/23 09:00 PM (1 month, 16 days ago)

Yet, 'fighting' as such is at a lower level. Efficient and of higher will is simply to shine, to be, as is evident with all things mental, for without mistake in the context the human spirit is of that nature and power.


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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: syncro]
    #28579621 - 12/12/23 06:54 AM (1 month, 16 days ago)

Quote:

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In both implications I think of that said, all things hidden will be revealed, are revealed.




What is hidden?


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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28579626 - 12/12/23 06:59 AM (1 month, 16 days ago)

How does magic differ, if it does, from having spiritual gifts ?
Psychic, mediums etc
What is the difference?
How would you use magic?
Is it considered magic I drink moon water? Manifest? Have spirit guides? Use astrology? Tarot?
What is different?
I know some people who mess with dark, their term not mine. And I don't want anything to do with anything negative.
They claim to be able to move things. Put spells on ppl
I don't seek that or understand a purpose of it.
It has a manipulative negative feel to me.


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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: loladoreen]
    #28579730 - 12/12/23 08:42 AM (1 month, 15 days ago)

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Quote:

syncro said:
In both implications I think of that said, all things hidden will be revealed, are revealed.




What is hidden?



The occult implies hidden, truths and powers. Those in the shadow including us, in ignorance, think our thoughts are hidden, and some of our acts and those of others. The akashic record and associated aspects of the astral and beyond imply nothing is hidden from those who see.

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How does magic differ, if it does, from having spiritual gifts ?
Psychic, mediums etc
What is the difference?
How would you use magic?
Is it considered magic I drink moon water? Manifest? Have spirit guides? Use astrology? Tarot?
What is different?
I know some people who mess with dark, their term not mine. And I don't want anything to do with anything negative.
They claim to be able to move things. Put spells on ppl
I don't seek that or understand a purpose of it.
It has a manipulative negative feel to me.




It's what I found interesting in use of the term magic. The white magic, at least in that work by Hartmann, shows no difference from say, a spiritual disciple. It is knowledge of the source as one and the Good. Practices for specific things apart from, for example, adoration in the highest possible, union, are secondary, as we don't pray for specific healing unless we or someone else is in need, but the things of God are of infinite extension.

So by them, the Theosophists and others, it looks like the works of the yogi and the monk, prayer, liberating practice, attuning to holy work, would be called magic, and the use of tools, elements, practices, oracles...

About the dark, to me there are different meanings, for mahamudra or the meditative samadhis can be dark as the yogas are a closing out of the external senses. But this has nothing to do with darkness in the bad sense. In the sense of peace, it has been called clear light, without obstruction, therefore dark. It is a duality that I experience and wonder about, not a duality of good and evil, but within the graceful works if you will, between the clear light (dark) like space, and that which shines.

Now of course, there is the duality of good and evil in us. The distinctions seem pretty clear. There is love, fearlessness, and the hate, with fear, contraction, selfishness for which magical things may be used, the unappealing visions that reflect our lower natures, ...

Hartmann wrote a little in the work about various levels of dark magics, the worst being in the hateful and destructive for the sake of itself without otherwise selfish motives, money, revenge..., which would be polar opposite of selfless devotion or sublimation of ego in the pure works.


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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: The Patient]
    #28579761 - 12/12/23 09:18 AM (1 month, 15 days ago)

Forgive my ignorance, I honestly do not know and am curious.
Why the divide between spirituality and the occult ?
What you described is exactly the same. What are the differences?


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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: loladoreen]
    #28579793 - 12/12/23 09:58 AM (1 month, 15 days ago)

In one country, where Asians were obsessed with illegal gambling, casino winnings were given in the form of ball bearings.

Said ball bearings were exchanged for cash a couple of doors, away.

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Forgive my ignorance, I honestly do not know and am curious.
Why the divide between spirituality and the occult ?
What you described is exactly the same. What are the differences?




imhblo, occult or occultation or to be be occulted refers to being hidden.

The animal magnetism of animists and authority of spiritual authorities would be hidden behind symbology and ritual.

So many spiritually charged or enchanted objects might be regarded as mediums of exchange.

Or, if you will, you might consider it a form of communication, using pictures and symbols.


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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: loladoreen]
    #28579825 - 12/12/23 10:51 AM (1 month, 15 days ago)

for same question

Just the connotations I think, and Christian programming after early Christianity. Occult teachings are also hidden because according to some they can be dangerous for those not properly guided or educated, things that would be epitomized in the reputations around ouija, getting something undesired which possibly may be difficult to remove.

Hartmann made a strong distinction in that of mediumship which he characterized as passive weakness which can be very dangerous as access points of a sort, as opposed to Will. I don't think he meant that for all mediums, but you can see that one is opening to communication and energies from that not certain to be what it claims.

When considering necromancy, for me, visualized is an ancient dark practice of raising demonic things by beings not much better, but when we look at spiritualism or channeling, it typically seems of higher intentions from better people, yet this I think is considered a form of necromancy, and some strongly advise against it because of said danger, and also because in many cases, to attract a disembodied spirit back to earthly things, us etc, can be a major disservice, even and especially if there is attraction to the ones calling, when they need to adapt and advance in their realm.

That sucks to me because I have wanted to talk sometimes with my parents and others who have passed. I guess a little of that is ok, in taking liberty, if in uplifting intent. In other words if you want to see them, are thinking of them, send to them the highest you can, and seeing them will be of that will, or ask the higher will if you can see them, the response to which seems reluctant but it doesn't mean you won't be answered, informed according to that wisdom.


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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: syncro]
    #28579858 - 12/12/23 11:19 AM (1 month, 15 days ago)

It has been my experience, when dealing with ESL, hearing impaired, learning issues, or literal animals, that coherence is the issue.

Most everyone has their own kind of language or value system.

If two unfamiliar peoples or species were to establish communications, they may start by polite or generous gestures, or with pantomime.

So, in practice, many of these thought experiments intended as telepathy begin as a game of Pictionary.

You start on the level of one of those early-educated babies being shown flashcards or hand-signing gorillas.

Only once you have started this way, will you find an inflection point, in which :alert: you are the one with the impediment.

Except, you cannot flinch or look away.

You will have brought something into your realm of attention which makes you feel like the smaller dog or bullfighter or bear baiter, that requires your full attention, without blinking. Think of someone with a dangerous, exotic pet, or who walks a tightrope.


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    #28579865 - 12/12/23 11:29 AM (1 month, 15 days ago)

tfw when--
that dog who chases after cars successfully catches one
catching a tiger by the tail
fire as the faithful servant or cruelest taskmaster

There are rules of protocol, also, as when dealing with high voltage.

Anyone with common discernment, on the level of the primitive, can detect adrenaline, schizos, or meth in that section of the bookstore.


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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: The Patient]
    #28579877 - 12/12/23 11:45 AM (1 month, 15 days ago)

I have seen mediums and psychics.
Some accurate
Others not
I've seen stuff on my own. Nothing ever negative.
I spoke to a lady i see about it. She told me to protect my home and self. I did as she instructed.
But one still stayed but not as apparent as before

So really its the same thing?
But more rituals?


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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: loladoreen]
    #28579885 - 12/12/23 11:53 AM (1 month, 15 days ago)

If you think of it in terms of Men in Black (movie) with a port of entry for migrants, or the market from Hellboy, or the alien social institutions from Rick and Morty, it is the same idea as dealing with ordinary humans only with a wider variety of races and cultures.


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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: durian_2008]
    #28579887 - 12/12/23 11:55 AM (1 month, 15 days ago)

It is possible to take on a bad life coach or scam artists, out for personal gain.

Although, we are not necessarily the most strong or sophisticated culture.


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    #28579889 - 12/12/23 11:57 AM (1 month, 15 days ago)

Depending on what is your field of vision or means of detection, there are people who I would say give a very clear impression of having guides, who I do not believe are reliable.


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    #28579921 - 12/12/23 12:34 PM (1 month, 15 days ago)

Another difference may be emphasis on Godhead alone whether with various aspects of the same for purposes, vs perhaps, not so much of that. Practices may be similar, but everything, fruits of the actions, are given up. And I picture in the magics similar things may be done, like at some point, it's up to the magic which depending on the mindset may be the same as the surrender. Surrender of fruits is foundational in yogic paths and is their potency according to that which they are surrendered.


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    #28579932 - 12/12/23 12:40 PM (1 month, 15 days ago)

You may be working for something, yet in the surrender you may receive something higher in response that addresses it. One may be praying to marry someone, but is that really what they want or what's best for them? We don't know which is the purpose of giving it up. Rarely is something solved on its own level, but is in direction to its source.


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    #28580007 - 12/12/23 01:54 PM (1 month, 15 days ago)

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Depending on what is your field of vision or means of detection, there are people who I would say give a very clear impression of having guides, who I do not believe are reliable.



Why do you not feel they are reliable?


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    #28580012 - 12/12/23 01:55 PM (1 month, 15 days ago)

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You may be working for something, yet in the surrender you may receive something higher in response that addresses it. One may be praying to marry someone, but is that really what they want or what's best for them? We don't know which is the purpose of giving it up. Rarely is something solved on its own level, but is in direction to its source.



Definitely not praying for marriage LOL
You mean like what I manifest?
I don't pray.


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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: loladoreen]
    #28580064 - 12/12/23 02:20 PM (1 month, 15 days ago)

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Depending on what is your field of vision or means of detection, there are people who I would say give a very clear impression of having guides, who I do not believe are reliable.



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Why do you not feel they are reliable?




-- Personality conflict in which I just do not care for the person or their clique, due to my own prejudice or dislikes.
-- More importantly, bad predictions or failed attempts at miracle working.

In spite of either of these things, I sometimes get clear impressions of taller beings, laying hands upon their shoulders, rear facing chakras, and back of their heads of the psychic medium.

You can be plugged-in, no matter what is my personal opinion of you.

You can get bad help, even though your helpers are presumably bigger than me and exert more spiritual pressure.

And, they are prettier than mother-of-pearl.

As it is written, they can present themselves as angels of light. Test the spirits.


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    #28580094 - 12/12/23 02:47 PM (1 month, 15 days ago)

WOW
I had something happen to me not long ago and no one can explain it.
What you said just made me think about it again.
I was woken up in the middle of the night by a bright white light. I thought someone turned the bathroom light on. But it wasnt that light source. I dont know where it was from.
I saw it two more times that day.
I only met a spirit guide during meditation. I was told we all have them.
My son passed away 7 years ago and I tend to think everything is him. I think I just want it to be him though :smile:


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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: loladoreen]
    #28580123 - 12/12/23 03:23 PM (1 month, 15 days ago)

I am not saying it is a strict way of proving deception, per se.

In some Brazilian and Asian movies, showing deities, they can wear flipflops and primitive clothes.

Sometimes, they seem to be a slightly updated version of present year.

Most everything can be understood, in the normal way, through the channels of the five senses, in crude materiel and trappings familiar to you.

Pop culture shows us alot of fairy things, like glam rock and lisa frank stickers.

But, in my visions, I saw era-appropriate clothes, cards, and plastic chairs, usually.

If McKenna saw machine elves like the weird posters in occult stores, I saw laborers.

It might be a matter of how your brain adjusts to novel situations, as some of my acquaintances, there, seemed to be catatonic or disoriented. I am a fighter, if completely at the end my rope.

But, you're supposed to act normal, in a state of self-control. Adjusting to the intensity of the situation is the hardest part. Then, it becomes mundane.


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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: loladoreen]
    #28580238 - 12/12/23 05:05 PM (1 month, 15 days ago)

By pray I meant whatever magic one is using, desire they are working toward, yeah manifesting. That would include internal manifestation, beyond form, contentment, power over ourselves...


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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: The Patient] * 1
    #28580335 - 12/12/23 06:23 PM (1 month, 15 days ago)

I saw a video explaining manifesting like the matrix
All you do is manifest to put your self on the desired frequency.


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    #28580387 - 12/12/23 07:16 PM (1 month, 15 days ago)

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=manifestation+frequency

Are these nameable, musical notes, associated with the midline chakras?


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    #28581962 - 12/13/23 10:15 PM (1 month, 14 days ago)

Reading in Gnosticism I've wondered of correlation between the Aeons and the chakras...

Anyway I like this from the Sophia of Jesus, advising of signs to bring.

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Whoever, then, knows the Father in pure knowledge will depart to the Father and repose in Unbegotten Father. But whoever knows him defectively will depart to the defect and the rest of the Eighth. Now whoever knows Immortal Spirit of Light in silence, through reflecting and consent in the truth, let him bring me signs of the Invisible One, and he will become a light in the Spirit of Silence. Whoever knows Son of Man in knowledge and love, let him bring me a sign of Son of Man, that he might depart to the dwelling-places with those in the Eighth.




The Eighth is of a multitude of Aeons part at least known as Assembly and Life.

So the signs are

-pure knowledge
-a sign of the Invisible One
-a sign of Son of Man

What would be a sign? A memory, a revealing of gifts I venture.


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    #28582412 - 12/14/23 09:53 AM (1 month, 13 days ago)



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Reading in Gnosticism I've wondered of correlation between the Aeons and the chakras...





Each of the dimensions shown has a guard and a gateway and probably an astrological constellation or star.

In this manner of thinking, the human body contains all of existence.

Sounds like the Biblical angels of the Bible, fallen when they have left their first estate:

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The role of aeons in Gnosticism is significant, as they are seen as intermediaries between the ultimate divine reality (often called the Monad) and the material world (also known as the cosmos or the realm of ignorance and illusion). Each aeon embodies a specific attribute, such as wisdom, power, and mercy. They collectively constitute a structured hierarchy of divine powers...





This is relatable to beliefs of whitebread Christianity.

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These aeons are believed to form a spiritual chain, progressively descending from the highest aeons closest to the Monad to the lower aeons that eventually connect to the material world.




Reminded me of Jacob's ladder, in which they descend up and down, to Heaven.

Also, of the Christian fiction, Pilgrim's Progress, in which said pilgrim is trying to ascend.

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However, in some Gnostic systems, a tragic event occurs where one of the aeons falls from the Pleroma due to ignorance or desire to know the ultimate divine reality. This event leads to the emergence of an imperfect material world, created by an inferior deity known as the Demiurge.




The Biblical Lucifer is said to have wanted to be like the Abrahamic God, so was cast out of Heaven.

In one of Echols' narrations, he is beheld as lightning falling from Heaven. (Luke 10:18)

Echols then shows you the zigzagged path, through the chakra system. (Descending from the upmost center of divine wisdom, downward, in a lightning shaped path.)

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In the Kabbalistic tradition, the Tree of Life is a mystical symbol representing the divine structure of the universe and the spiritual journey of humanity. The points on the Tree of Life are associated with divine emanations known as Sephiroth (singular: Sephirah), which are different aspects or attributes of divinity. These Sephiroth are connected by paths that represent the flow of divine energy.




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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: The Patient]
    #28591517 - 12/20/23 02:58 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

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Anyone here have experiences/opinions they would like to share about this subject.



The relationship of the psychedelic experience to the perception of things that may be considered supernatural or at least not otherwise naturally perceivable is a huge part of ancient traditions in the Americas. I think there is a lot that can be, and a lot that has been, written and discussed in relation to this.

I have a form of testimony about such matters, but it isn't the type of thing I discuss with strangers in public. Still, the connection is well known in many circles as historically accurate and many people have experiences that appear to indicate that the connection may be more than just a matter of history and tradition.


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    #28591558 - 12/20/23 03:44 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)


Here is an image from a certain codex.

It can be read a certain way.

The seated man has taken some mushrooms and is viewing the fire before him. In it he perceives things that are revealed by the God of the Dead,  who is depicted as coming out of the box, holding the sacred mushrooms in his hand.

One can see that the dead man holding the mushrooms has the scepter of authority, it has the triple feather. This signifies he is lord of the dead. The box shows that normally this material is concealed from people, it is opened but can be seen to normally be sealed, or tied shut with the cord. The figure holds the fungi because they are of him, in fact the name for them in this culture can be interpreted as the flesh of the Gods.

It is interesting that the divination method uses the fire, not merely something like closed eyes.

Of course, this is not the translation the Vatican gives.

Also the image is holophrastic, which is a type of representation we don't use in our culture, except perhaps for a few artists and people who are familiar with it and who employ it today in their own works of art. I am not able to translate all of it, it contains the name of the person who is seated and the location where they did this in the image but I am not able to interpret those from the image without a type of key, which does not exist anymore.

The occult traditions often thought of as European are often New World in origin, the use of magic potions, aka psychedelic and psychoactive brews. The use of magic mirrors for scrying and the obsidian mirror. The scrying method using a bowl of water. The idea of taking a potion and conjuring a spirit to reveal things, the idea of shape shifting familiars etc. The cycle of the moon from virgin to crone as well, it mirrors the history of the Earth and the restoration of it by fire in the ancient mysteries, the lunar cycle just symbolizes the greater longer cycle where the maiden is the Earth herself, who is depicted wearing leaves and vines, like the Earth itself has etc. Most of this stuff was introduced conceptually to Europe after the 1500s and heavily influenced the mythology of occult traditions there, as well as numerous so called fairy tales. Much of it is New World in origin and didn't appear to exist in Europe before the New World was rediscovered in the late 1400s.

There is a tremendous connection between psychedelics and other psychoactive agents and the occult mysteries. I'm hesitant to discuss it with others, but it is an area of study for me.


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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: Nillion] * 1
    #28591583 - 12/20/23 04:04 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

Are they the same person?


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    #28591621 - 12/20/23 04:38 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

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Are they the same person?



The God of the Dead who is out of the box and the seated man?

The blue man who is lord of the dead is an ancient and well known occult figure, to the best of my understanding.

I fear I have a potent discomfort when it comes to public discussion of the subject matter, but I believe he has many names and a few forms or methods of depiction. Of course, in the ancient world blue and green are not always differentiated, so some might know him as the green man or by other names and via other depictions, such as him in youthful forms.

Certainly I could be wrong and am open to other interpretations.
In fact, I'd prefer people dismiss the topic of the identity of the figure or at least forgive me if I fail to discuss it further than this comment.


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    #28592479 - 12/21/23 08:28 AM (1 month, 6 days ago)

What is the spiral-like figure, in the upper right hand corner?


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    #28593691 - 12/22/23 06:42 AM (1 month, 6 days ago)

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What is the spiral-like figure, in the upper right hand corner?



No idea.
It appears to have elements of wind, smoke and speech combined with the animal. I think it is related to the date or season but it should also have a phonetic translation that is part of the way the image is formally pronounced by whomever created it.

http://www.famsi.org/research/loubat/index.html
http://www.famsi.org/research/graz/index.html#Aztec

It can be interesting to look at the images.
I can identify instances where the Vatican translation seems entirely made up.


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    #28593695 - 12/22/23 06:46 AM (1 month, 6 days ago)

I just purchased 3 books
Almost 500 years old
Are you familiar with
Any good? $1.99


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    #28593782 - 12/22/23 07:53 AM (1 month, 5 days ago)

Incidentally, the image I posted is from Codex Vaticanus B, page66.
http://www.famsi.org/research/graz/vaticanus3773/thumbs_4.html

The content of this and other material like it is not nearly so explored or discussed as it might be, particularly in relation to the entheogenic harvest, preparation and use that relates to them. I studied this privately on my own for awhile and I have my own thoughts and observations. I'd be interested in seeing what others think, but it is time consuming and trivial when it all comes down to it.


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    #28593836 - 12/22/23 09:01 AM (1 month, 5 days ago)

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I just purchased 3 books
Almost 500 years old
Are you familiar with
Any good? $1.99




Looks interesting scanning the contents. How does it read, laborious?


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    #28593890 - 12/22/23 10:10 AM (1 month, 5 days ago)

I found a pdf someone found on the wayback machine. It seems to read ok. There should be current pdf around...


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    #28593957 - 12/22/23 10:58 AM (1 month, 5 days ago)

I bought it last night and I won't be able to read it for a few days. I'm reading another book and super busy the next few days.
It's very old.
Im especially interested in the astrology part.


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    #28597319 - 12/25/23 05:52 AM (1 month, 3 days ago)

The exoteric implies the esoteric, but - Merry Christmas, love one another. Esoterically we see that is all that is needed, but given exoterically it seems not enough sometimes, only because perhaps it is not integrated. So then exoterism just means we are not paying enough attention.

I tend to resist Christmas in the material sense, not that it isn't fun and we're enjoying the festivities, nevertheless, the esoteric Christmas is happening, the joy and gratitude of spirit.

We might say that it's astrotheological, inaccurate concerning Jesus, etc., but does it matter? Not within. The stories, the programming, by the free will be used for the purpose of freedom. So, to that which would deceive, (the 'authorities'), it can be then, my will, not thy will, be done.


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    #28599475 - 12/27/23 07:18 AM (1 month, 23 hours ago)

I found some Agrippa online again and tried to read it.
It's not for me, evidently.

My versions of many of the things he mentions are radically distinct from his own.

Still, for those looking at his material:
https://archive.lib.msu.edu/DMC/Arts%20&%20Humanities/threebooksoccult.pdf


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    #28599552 - 12/27/23 08:18 AM (1 month, 22 hours ago)

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And although these Authors seem to thwart one the other, yet none of them, if they be rightly understood, goes beside the truth: since all their sayings are the same in effect in most things.




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    #28599588 - 12/27/23 08:47 AM (1 month, 22 hours ago)

Here he's primarily talking about "Vertues of Stones, Hearbs [herbs], Metals" and I think it is seen that in any particular 'magic' one can reveal, external tools or even one's own intention is not necessary when the source itself is engaged, or one clears themselves of distraction, as in 'seek ye first'. So any action only needs the one thing, sometimes with a little steering if being presumptuous.

"For God in the first place is the end, and begining of all Vertues, he gives the seal of the Idea's to his servants the Intelligencies..."


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    #28600859 - 12/28/23 12:38 PM (30 days, 18 hours ago)

Having delved into the concept of physical mediumship, I keep envisioning this Tyler Durden moment, when you and this otherworldly entity are in-tune and handing the artifact to yourself.


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