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Depending on what is your field of vision or means of detection, there are people who I would say give a very clear impression of having guides, who I do not believe are reliable.
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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: loladoreen] 1
#28579921 - 12/12/23 12:34 PM (1 month, 15 days ago) |
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Another difference may be emphasis on Godhead alone whether with various aspects of the same for purposes, vs perhaps, not so much of that. Practices may be similar, but everything, fruits of the actions, are given up. And I picture in the magics similar things may be done, like at some point, it's up to the magic which depending on the mindset may be the same as the surrender. Surrender of fruits is foundational in yogic paths and is their potency according to that which they are surrendered.
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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: syncro]
#28579932 - 12/12/23 12:40 PM (1 month, 15 days ago) |
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You may be working for something, yet in the surrender you may receive something higher in response that addresses it. One may be praying to marry someone, but is that really what they want or what's best for them? We don't know which is the purpose of giving it up. Rarely is something solved on its own level, but is in direction to its source.
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durian_2008 said: Depending on what is your field of vision or means of detection, there are people who I would say give a very clear impression of having guides, who I do not believe are reliable.
Why do you not feel they are reliable?
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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: syncro]
#28580012 - 12/12/23 01:55 PM (1 month, 15 days ago) |
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syncro said: You may be working for something, yet in the surrender you may receive something higher in response that addresses it. One may be praying to marry someone, but is that really what they want or what's best for them? We don't know which is the purpose of giving it up. Rarely is something solved on its own level, but is in direction to its source.
Definitely not praying for marriage LOL You mean like what I manifest? I don't pray.
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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: loladoreen]
#28580064 - 12/12/23 02:20 PM (1 month, 15 days ago) |
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durian_2008 said: Depending on what is your field of vision or means of detection, there are people who I would say give a very clear impression of having guides, who I do not believe are reliable.
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loladoreen said: Why do you not feel they are reliable?
-- Personality conflict in which I just do not care for the person or their clique, due to my own prejudice or dislikes. -- More importantly, bad predictions or failed attempts at miracle working.
In spite of either of these things, I sometimes get clear impressions of taller beings, laying hands upon their shoulders, rear facing chakras, and back of their heads of the psychic medium.
You can be plugged-in, no matter what is my personal opinion of you.
You can get bad help, even though your helpers are presumably bigger than me and exert more spiritual pressure.
And, they are prettier than mother-of-pearl.
As it is written, they can present themselves as angels of light. Test the spirits.
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WOW I had something happen to me not long ago and no one can explain it. What you said just made me think about it again. I was woken up in the middle of the night by a bright white light. I thought someone turned the bathroom light on. But it wasnt that light source. I dont know where it was from. I saw it two more times that day. I only met a spirit guide during meditation. I was told we all have them. My son passed away 7 years ago and I tend to think everything is him. I think I just want it to be him though
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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: loladoreen]
#28580123 - 12/12/23 03:23 PM (1 month, 15 days ago) |
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I am not saying it is a strict way of proving deception, per se.
In some Brazilian and Asian movies, showing deities, they can wear flipflops and primitive clothes.
Sometimes, they seem to be a slightly updated version of present year.
Most everything can be understood, in the normal way, through the channels of the five senses, in crude materiel and trappings familiar to you.
Pop culture shows us alot of fairy things, like glam rock and lisa frank stickers.
But, in my visions, I saw era-appropriate clothes, cards, and plastic chairs, usually.
If McKenna saw machine elves like the weird posters in occult stores, I saw laborers.
It might be a matter of how your brain adjusts to novel situations, as some of my acquaintances, there, seemed to be catatonic or disoriented. I am a fighter, if completely at the end my rope.
But, you're supposed to act normal, in a state of self-control. Adjusting to the intensity of the situation is the hardest part. Then, it becomes mundane.
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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: loladoreen]
#28580238 - 12/12/23 05:05 PM (1 month, 15 days ago) |
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By pray I meant whatever magic one is using, desire they are working toward, yeah manifesting. That would include internal manifestation, beyond form, contentment, power over ourselves...
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#28580335 - 12/12/23 06:23 PM (1 month, 15 days ago) |
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I saw a video explaining manifesting like the matrix All you do is manifest to put your self on the desired frequency.
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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: loladoreen]
#28580387 - 12/12/23 07:16 PM (1 month, 15 days ago) |
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https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=manifestation+frequency
Are these nameable, musical notes, associated with the midline chakras?
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Reading in Gnosticism I've wondered of correlation between the Aeons and the chakras...
Anyway I like this from the Sophia of Jesus, advising of signs to bring.
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Whoever, then, knows the Father in pure knowledge will depart to the Father and repose in Unbegotten Father. But whoever knows him defectively will depart to the defect and the rest of the Eighth. Now whoever knows Immortal Spirit of Light in silence, through reflecting and consent in the truth, let him bring me signs of the Invisible One, and he will become a light in the Spirit of Silence. Whoever knows Son of Man in knowledge and love, let him bring me a sign of Son of Man, that he might depart to the dwelling-places with those in the Eighth.
The Eighth is of a multitude of Aeons part at least known as Assembly and Life.
So the signs are
-pure knowledge -a sign of the Invisible One -a sign of Son of Man
What would be a sign? A memory, a revealing of gifts I venture.
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#28582412 - 12/14/23 09:53 AM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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syncro said: Reading in Gnosticism I've wondered of correlation between the Aeons and the chakras...
Each of the dimensions shown has a guard and a gateway and probably an astrological constellation or star.
In this manner of thinking, the human body contains all of existence.
Sounds like the Biblical angels of the Bible, fallen when they have left their first estate:
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The role of aeons in Gnosticism is significant, as they are seen as intermediaries between the ultimate divine reality (often called the Monad) and the material world (also known as the cosmos or the realm of ignorance and illusion). Each aeon embodies a specific attribute, such as wisdom, power, and mercy. They collectively constitute a structured hierarchy of divine powers...
This is relatable to beliefs of whitebread Christianity.
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These aeons are believed to form a spiritual chain, progressively descending from the highest aeons closest to the Monad to the lower aeons that eventually connect to the material world.
Reminded me of Jacob's ladder, in which they descend up and down, to Heaven.
Also, of the Christian fiction, Pilgrim's Progress, in which said pilgrim is trying to ascend.
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However, in some Gnostic systems, a tragic event occurs where one of the aeons falls from the Pleroma due to ignorance or desire to know the ultimate divine reality. This event leads to the emergence of an imperfect material world, created by an inferior deity known as the Demiurge.
The Biblical Lucifer is said to have wanted to be like the Abrahamic God, so was cast out of Heaven.
In one of Echols' narrations, he is beheld as lightning falling from Heaven. (Luke 10:18)
Echols then shows you the zigzagged path, through the chakra system. (Descending from the upmost center of divine wisdom, downward, in a lightning shaped path.)
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In the Kabbalistic tradition, the Tree of Life is a mystical symbol representing the divine structure of the universe and the spiritual journey of humanity. The points on the Tree of Life are associated with divine emanations known as Sephiroth (singular: Sephirah), which are different aspects or attributes of divinity. These Sephiroth are connected by paths that represent the flow of divine energy.
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The Patient said: Anyone here have experiences/opinions they would like to share about this subject.
The relationship of the psychedelic experience to the perception of things that may be considered supernatural or at least not otherwise naturally perceivable is a huge part of ancient traditions in the Americas. I think there is a lot that can be, and a lot that has been, written and discussed in relation to this.
I have a form of testimony about such matters, but it isn't the type of thing I discuss with strangers in public. Still, the connection is well known in many circles as historically accurate and many people have experiences that appear to indicate that the connection may be more than just a matter of history and tradition.
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 Here is an image from a certain codex.
It can be read a certain way.
The seated man has taken some mushrooms and is viewing the fire before him. In it he perceives things that are revealed by the God of the Dead, who is depicted as coming out of the box, holding the sacred mushrooms in his hand.
One can see that the dead man holding the mushrooms has the scepter of authority, it has the triple feather. This signifies he is lord of the dead. The box shows that normally this material is concealed from people, it is opened but can be seen to normally be sealed, or tied shut with the cord. The figure holds the fungi because they are of him, in fact the name for them in this culture can be interpreted as the flesh of the Gods.
It is interesting that the divination method uses the fire, not merely something like closed eyes.
Of course, this is not the translation the Vatican gives.
Also the image is holophrastic, which is a type of representation we don't use in our culture, except perhaps for a few artists and people who are familiar with it and who employ it today in their own works of art. I am not able to translate all of it, it contains the name of the person who is seated and the location where they did this in the image but I am not able to interpret those from the image without a type of key, which does not exist anymore.
The occult traditions often thought of as European are often New World in origin, the use of magic potions, aka psychedelic and psychoactive brews. The use of magic mirrors for scrying and the obsidian mirror. The scrying method using a bowl of water. The idea of taking a potion and conjuring a spirit to reveal things, the idea of shape shifting familiars etc. The cycle of the moon from virgin to crone as well, it mirrors the history of the Earth and the restoration of it by fire in the ancient mysteries, the lunar cycle just symbolizes the greater longer cycle where the maiden is the Earth herself, who is depicted wearing leaves and vines, like the Earth itself has etc. Most of this stuff was introduced conceptually to Europe after the 1500s and heavily influenced the mythology of occult traditions there, as well as numerous so called fairy tales. Much of it is New World in origin and didn't appear to exist in Europe before the New World was rediscovered in the late 1400s.
There is a tremendous connection between psychedelics and other psychoactive agents and the occult mysteries. I'm hesitant to discuss it with others, but it is an area of study for me.
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#28591583 - 12/20/23 04:04 PM (1 month, 7 days ago) |
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Are they the same person?
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durian_2008 said: Are they the same person?
The God of the Dead who is out of the box and the seated man?
The blue man who is lord of the dead is an ancient and well known occult figure, to the best of my understanding.
I fear I have a potent discomfort when it comes to public discussion of the subject matter, but I believe he has many names and a few forms or methods of depiction. Of course, in the ancient world blue and green are not always differentiated, so some might know him as the green man or by other names and via other depictions, such as him in youthful forms.
Certainly I could be wrong and am open to other interpretations. In fact, I'd prefer people dismiss the topic of the identity of the figure or at least forgive me if I fail to discuss it further than this comment.
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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: Nillion]
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What is the spiral-like figure, in the upper right hand corner?
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durian_2008 said: What is the spiral-like figure, in the upper right hand corner?
No idea. It appears to have elements of wind, smoke and speech combined with the animal. I think it is related to the date or season but it should also have a phonetic translation that is part of the way the image is formally pronounced by whomever created it.
http://www.famsi.org/research/loubat/index.html http://www.famsi.org/research/graz/index.html#Aztec
It can be interesting to look at the images. I can identify instances where the Vatican translation seems entirely made up.
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I just purchased 3 books Almost 500 years old Are you familiar with  Any good? $1.99
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