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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: syncro]
#28579136 - 12/11/23 07:24 PM (1 month, 16 days ago) |
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"All the works which depend on them, it is they [...] over the heaven above and over the earth below. On them depend all the works."
This is from the same. There is a lot missing or not legible from the writing, therefore brackets as such. If I am interpreting correctly this is the astral 'water', akasha, many names - implying that from within the 'astral light' is essence of all functioning here, as shadows from light, as the subtle comes before the gross. In the context I believe it is also considered the soul (astral) as distinct from spirit, or I may be mixing in more directly Theosophical ideas. The Gnostic and Theosophical writings show similarities in this.
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I am loving this thread. As this is something I am unsure about how I feel. I don't understand how magic, demons, witchcraft, etc. fits into my spiritual beliefs. I just don't know... I am so interested in what you guys have to say. Because I do not have a solid opinion.
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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: syncro]
#28579150 - 12/11/23 07:29 PM (1 month, 16 days ago) |
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syncro said: "All the works which depend on them, it is they [...] over the heaven above and over the earth below. On them depend all the works."
This is from the same. There is a lot missing or not legible from the writing, therefore brackets as such. If I am interpreting correctly this is the astral 'water', akasha, many names - implying that from within the 'astral light' is essence of all functioning here, as shadows from light, as the subtle comes before the gross. In the context I believe it is also considered the soul (astral) as distinct from spirit.
Akasha like akashic records? Any similarity?
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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: loladoreen]
#28579229 - 12/11/23 08:04 PM (1 month, 16 days ago) |
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Akasha I understand as meaning space, sky, atmosphere, and akashic would be the same. I'm not sure how the akashic records relate to the implied ocean of life that surrounds and penetrates the earth. Yet it was said of the astral worlds, 'all thought comes here'. Everything manifest here, visible or invisible, is there and remains according to strength and intention behind it. Higher or loving thoughts (acts) have eternal nature as they vibe with the spirit which I loosely equate with the mental or causal natures above in manifestation. Perhaps there is the Will which is emphasized in the particular text - all things elemental, which I without certainty equate with all things astral, subservient to the spirit and higher intelligences.
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The Akashic Records are an [energetic] library of information that contain the details of your soul and its journey. They span through past lives, present incarnations, and future possibilities
I copy and pasted that definition. I like that one. https://www.wellandgood.com/what-are-akashic-records/#:~:text=The%20Akashic%20Records%20are%20an,present%20incarnations%2C%20and%20future%20possibilities.
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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: loladoreen]
#28579256 - 12/11/23 08:19 PM (1 month, 16 days ago) |
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In both implications I think of that said, all things hidden will be revealed, are revealed.
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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: loladoreen] 1
#28579280 - 12/11/23 08:33 PM (1 month, 16 days ago) |
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"magic"
from earlier -
I finished Magic, White and Black recently, and was meaning to comment. The choice of the term magic is interesting and confusing to me more broadly, as well the term chaos, hardly mentioned that I've seen in these Theososphical or spiritualist writings, though I'm satisfied chaos in a refined sense is the same as void or mahamudra, samadhis then generally, but why the term chaos? The other terms are of stillness and peace, and the power of such, yet in the wake or sometimes during, we see increasing dynamics of manifestations and other effects.
The book hardly mentioned magic at all in the way it would be assumed - it is a spiritual teaching not unlike reading Vasistha or Hermes perhaps though modernized (early 20th century I think), no spells, charms, no 500 euros.
It did lightly touch on elemental forces being used for goodness (or not) that can have significant influence on men and animals etc. I've gradually entertained the idea that we are nothing here but such 'external' influence. What is (lower) manifestation of spirit but elemental or astral? The joining of the spiritual and elemental I'm not clear on but that elements are subservient to higher intelligences. Across teachings we know is the idea of the higher willing to put monads into the elements for the very purpose of seeking themselves, higher natures through the elements.
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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: syncro]
#28579303 - 12/11/23 08:54 PM (1 month, 16 days ago) |
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Why? As for the Gnostics, and I've heard it in the yogas, a popular principle, Shiva recently with the intention to plant his light in jivas into the elemental worlds, there is a warlike or corrective connotation as in the Sophia of Jesus, "I have cut off the work of the robbers", "Tread upon their malicious intent", the authorities.
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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: syncro]
#28579305 - 12/11/23 09:00 PM (1 month, 16 days ago) |
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Yet, 'fighting' as such is at a lower level. Efficient and of higher will is simply to shine, to be, as is evident with all things mental, for without mistake in the context the human spirit is of that nature and power.
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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: syncro]
#28579621 - 12/12/23 06:54 AM (1 month, 16 days ago) |
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syncro said: In both implications I think of that said, all things hidden will be revealed, are revealed.
What is hidden?
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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: syncro] 1
#28579626 - 12/12/23 06:59 AM (1 month, 16 days ago) |
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How does magic differ, if it does, from having spiritual gifts ? Psychic, mediums etc What is the difference? How would you use magic? Is it considered magic I drink moon water? Manifest? Have spirit guides? Use astrology? Tarot? What is different? I know some people who mess with dark, their term not mine. And I don't want anything to do with anything negative. They claim to be able to move things. Put spells on ppl I don't seek that or understand a purpose of it. It has a manipulative negative feel to me.
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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: loladoreen]
#28579730 - 12/12/23 08:42 AM (1 month, 15 days ago) |
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syncro said: In both implications I think of that said, all things hidden will be revealed, are revealed.
What is hidden?
The occult implies hidden, truths and powers. Those in the shadow including us, in ignorance, think our thoughts are hidden, and some of our acts and those of others. The akashic record and associated aspects of the astral and beyond imply nothing is hidden from those who see.
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How does magic differ, if it does, from having spiritual gifts ? Psychic, mediums etc What is the difference? How would you use magic? Is it considered magic I drink moon water? Manifest? Have spirit guides? Use astrology? Tarot? What is different? I know some people who mess with dark, their term not mine. And I don't want anything to do with anything negative. They claim to be able to move things. Put spells on ppl I don't seek that or understand a purpose of it. It has a manipulative negative feel to me.
It's what I found interesting in use of the term magic. The white magic, at least in that work by Hartmann, shows no difference from say, a spiritual disciple. It is knowledge of the source as one and the Good. Practices for specific things apart from, for example, adoration in the highest possible, union, are secondary, as we don't pray for specific healing unless we or someone else is in need, but the things of God are of infinite extension.
So by them, the Theosophists and others, it looks like the works of the yogi and the monk, prayer, liberating practice, attuning to holy work, would be called magic, and the use of tools, elements, practices, oracles...
About the dark, to me there are different meanings, for mahamudra or the meditative samadhis can be dark as the yogas are a closing out of the external senses. But this has nothing to do with darkness in the bad sense. In the sense of peace, it has been called clear light, without obstruction, therefore dark. It is a duality that I experience and wonder about, not a duality of good and evil, but within the graceful works if you will, between the clear light (dark) like space, and that which shines.
Now of course, there is the duality of good and evil in us. The distinctions seem pretty clear. There is love, fearlessness, and the hate, with fear, contraction, selfishness for which magical things may be used, the unappealing visions that reflect our lower natures, ...
Hartmann wrote a little in the work about various levels of dark magics, the worst being in the hateful and destructive for the sake of itself without otherwise selfish motives, money, revenge..., which would be polar opposite of selfless devotion or sublimation of ego in the pure works.
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Forgive my ignorance, I honestly do not know and am curious. Why the divide between spirituality and the occult ? What you described is exactly the same. What are the differences?
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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: loladoreen]
#28579793 - 12/12/23 09:58 AM (1 month, 15 days ago) |
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In one country, where Asians were obsessed with illegal gambling, casino winnings were given in the form of ball bearings.
Said ball bearings were exchanged for cash a couple of doors, away.
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loladoreen said: Forgive my ignorance, I honestly do not know and am curious. Why the divide between spirituality and the occult ? What you described is exactly the same. What are the differences?
imhblo, occult or occultation or to be be occulted refers to being hidden.
The animal magnetism of animists and authority of spiritual authorities would be hidden behind symbology and ritual.
So many spiritually charged or enchanted objects might be regarded as mediums of exchange.
Or, if you will, you might consider it a form of communication, using pictures and symbols.
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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: loladoreen]
#28579825 - 12/12/23 10:51 AM (1 month, 15 days ago) |
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for same question
Just the connotations I think, and Christian programming after early Christianity. Occult teachings are also hidden because according to some they can be dangerous for those not properly guided or educated, things that would be epitomized in the reputations around ouija, getting something undesired which possibly may be difficult to remove.
Hartmann made a strong distinction in that of mediumship which he characterized as passive weakness which can be very dangerous as access points of a sort, as opposed to Will. I don't think he meant that for all mediums, but you can see that one is opening to communication and energies from that not certain to be what it claims.
When considering necromancy, for me, visualized is an ancient dark practice of raising demonic things by beings not much better, but when we look at spiritualism or channeling, it typically seems of higher intentions from better people, yet this I think is considered a form of necromancy, and some strongly advise against it because of said danger, and also because in many cases, to attract a disembodied spirit back to earthly things, us etc, can be a major disservice, even and especially if there is attraction to the ones calling, when they need to adapt and advance in their realm.
That sucks to me because I have wanted to talk sometimes with my parents and others who have passed. I guess a little of that is ok, in taking liberty, if in uplifting intent. In other words if you want to see them, are thinking of them, send to them the highest you can, and seeing them will be of that will, or ask the higher will if you can see them, the response to which seems reluctant but it doesn't mean you won't be answered, informed according to that wisdom.
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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: syncro]
#28579858 - 12/12/23 11:19 AM (1 month, 15 days ago) |
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It has been my experience, when dealing with ESL, hearing impaired, learning issues, or literal animals, that coherence is the issue.
Most everyone has their own kind of language or value system.
If two unfamiliar peoples or species were to establish communications, they may start by polite or generous gestures, or with pantomime.
So, in practice, many of these thought experiments intended as telepathy begin as a game of Pictionary.
You start on the level of one of those early-educated babies being shown flashcards or hand-signing gorillas.
Only once you have started this way, will you find an inflection point, in which you are the one with the impediment.
Except, you cannot flinch or look away.
You will have brought something into your realm of attention which makes you feel like the smaller dog or bullfighter or bear baiter, that requires your full attention, without blinking. Think of someone with a dangerous, exotic pet, or who walks a tightrope.
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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: durian_2008] 1
#28579865 - 12/12/23 11:29 AM (1 month, 15 days ago) |
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tfw when-- that dog who chases after cars successfully catches one catching a tiger by the tail fire as the faithful servant or cruelest taskmaster
There are rules of protocol, also, as when dealing with high voltage.
Anyone with common discernment, on the level of the primitive, can detect adrenaline, schizos, or meth in that section of the bookstore.
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I have seen mediums and psychics. Some accurate Others not I've seen stuff on my own. Nothing ever negative. I spoke to a lady i see about it. She told me to protect my home and self. I did as she instructed. But one still stayed but not as apparent as before
So really its the same thing? But more rituals?
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Re: Tripping and the Occult [Re: loladoreen]
#28579885 - 12/12/23 11:53 AM (1 month, 15 days ago) |
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If you think of it in terms of Men in Black (movie) with a port of entry for migrants, or the market from Hellboy, or the alien social institutions from Rick and Morty, it is the same idea as dealing with ordinary humans only with a wider variety of races and cultures.
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It is possible to take on a bad life coach or scam artists, out for personal gain.
Although, we are not necessarily the most strong or sophisticated culture.
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