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Bhagavad Gita
    #2848447 - 07/01/04 08:48 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I found the scripture of the Bhagavad Gita to be pretty knowledgable, and direct. I was never really interested in any form of Hindu practice (Now I'm interested in yoga and tantra).


Having read the bhagavad gita, I found it has great potential to service humanity. It has a lot of depth and clarity, and it does seem to have been written with purpose and intent, unlike whats usually being written today.


Has anyone else read this scripture, and what did you think about it?


I found similarities to the Bhagavad Gita when I compared it with Christianity and Buddhism.


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Re: Bhagavad Gita [Re: tekramrepus]
    #2848548 - 07/01/04 09:38 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I agree; One of the aspects of the Gita I liked when compared to the only other religious text I'm familiar with (The Christian Bible) was the deeper descriptions of divinity. It is internally consistent as well.


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Re: Bhagavad Gita [Re: tekramrepus]
    #2853368 - 07/03/04 06:42 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I've only read excerpts and references to the Gita in other Hindu and yogic works, but from what I've read it's right on the money. I plan to read it soon, my local library has Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's translation. I also would wanna check out Sri Chinmoy's commentary, as he is one of the wisest and most amazing teachers I've read and I'm sure his exposition will brilliantly and beautifully clarify some of the more profound teachings of the Bhagavad Gita.


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Re: Bhagavad Gita [Re: tekramrepus]
    #2853946 - 07/03/04 02:27 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Essentially giving the teaching of 'Bhakti' or Devotional Yoga, I have an old Hare Krishna cult version. I found long ago that if approached by Krishna cultists, I could quote the following verse about the 'impersonalist approach' to Krishna, and their mouths would drop open in stunned surprise. I would smile and say: "I contemplate the plenary expansion of Vishnu in the Lotus of my Heart." This was no lie really, since I DID contemplate the Divine Personality of the Godhead in the Lotus of my Heart, but I called Him Christ, not Krishna.


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Re: Bhagavad Gita [Re: tekramrepus]
    #2854430 - 07/03/04 06:14 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I read Bhagavad Gita a few days ago, and I must admit it is the most straightforward religious text I ever read. It doesn't moralize, it just expounds on what is the nature of things, of universe, of man's place in the universe and how to attain 'salvation' (not to be incarnated again and become one with God).

The only thing I still don't understand is the following paradox (and it's not unique for Hinduism, but for all religions in which man has somehow 'fallen' from his original position):

The Godhead creates countless universes and worlds, and replicates him/herself into individual beings in order to experience those worlds through senses and personal egos. However, a being (say, a man's soul) is said to be unredemeed until it goes back to Godhead and never again reincarnates in this or any of the future worlds that will be created.

What is the purpose of all created worlds, and why do "parts of Godhead" that take part in creation need salvation in the first place? That's like sending someone to do a certain job for you, and when he gets lost, he needs to be saved. And than you tell him that if he finds his way home, you won't send him to do anything for you anytime again. :wink: Was that person (or a part of you) predestined to be lost? Why does Krishna say that whoever realizes His nature will never be born again in any of the future Universes? In my opinion, that implies that there's something "wrong" with taking part in Creation... and then again the question: why is Godhead making Creation in the first place etc.

I know this is all messed up, but hopefully someone will understand what I wanted to say :smile:

In any case, I rank Gita among the best religious texts ever. I found it much less cryptic than Bible and much more profound in its simplicity. Anyone can understand it even without commentaries.


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Re: Bhagavad Gita [Re: tekramrepus]
    #2854866 - 07/03/04 10:55 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I've started reading it and it's pretty good. If anyone wants a copy, one translation is available at project gutenberg: http://www.gutenberg.net/etext00/bgita10.txt

I'm still partial to the dhammapada, though... it's so simple and so direct, although it is lacking a story to tie its ideas together, unlike the bhagavad gita.

Both are certainly worth a read, anyway.


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Re: Bhagavad Gita [Re: kungfu]
    #2855089 - 07/04/04 01:48 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Well....I think their is still much for us to experience and learn once we leave this physical plane of existance, in any level really.

However, I'd imagine once we reach a certain level, we ascend back to our Creator and join him eternally.....ya know.....after we've accomplished everything else.


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Re: Bhagavad Gita [Re: tekramrepus]
    #2855318 - 07/04/04 03:05 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

The Hindu system is weighed down by the past repression of lower classes...it is unmistakable in this text when it speaks of the "intermingling of castes" as a negative. This has always kept me at arms length with that religion (plus I think Gurus suck). If it is your cultural tradition that is one thing (my brother in law is a Hindu from India...good guy).To embrace this religion as a non-native is naive.


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Re: Bhagavad Gita [Re: tekramrepus]
    #2855332 - 07/04/04 03:10 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I got this book from a travelling monk. He gave it to me for $10, which he claimed to be the cost of the book. From its thickness, I have to say it was the truth.

I'll start reading it sometime and give a good book report on it.


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Re: Bhagavad Gita [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #2855400 - 07/04/04 03:41 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

The Hindu system is weighed down by the past repression of lower classes...it is unmistakable in this text

Where in the Gita does it say anything about a caste system?


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Re: Bhagavad Gita [Re: zorbman]
    #2855408 - 07/04/04 03:49 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

"Its women grow unwomaned, whence there spring
Mad passions, and the mingling-up of castes,"

for one, but there are many more. It was in fashion to have a caste system then and the Hindu system modified Buddhism to enforce their social order.


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Re: Bhagavad Gita [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #2855418 - 07/04/04 03:54 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Chapter? Verse? I have a copy of the Gita and wanted to look it up.


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Re: Bhagavad Gita [Re: zorbman]
    #2855424 - 07/04/04 03:58 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Chapter One verse: I dont know check this and find it.

The rule of all Three Worlds; then, how much less
To seize an earthly kingdom! Killing these
Must breed but anguish, Krishna! If they be
Guilty, we shall grow guilty by their deaths;
Their sins will light on us, if we shall slay
Those sons of Dhritirashtra, and our kin;
What peace could come of that, O Madhava?
For if indeed, blinded by lust and wrath,
These cannot see, or will not see, the sin
Of kingly lines o'erthrown and kinsmen slain,
How should not we, who see, shun such a crime--
We who perceive the guilt and feel the shame--
O thou Delight of Men, Janardana?
By overthrow of houses perisheth
Their sweet continuous household piety,
And-rites neglected, piety extinct--
Enters impiety upon that home;
Its women grow unwomaned, whence there spring
Mad passions, and the mingling-up of castes,
Sending a Hell-ward road that family,
And whoso wrought its doom by wicked wrath.
Nay, and the souls of honoured ancestors
Fall from their place of peace, being bereft
Of funeral-cakes and the wan death-water.[FN#1]
So teach our holy hymns. Thus, if we slay
Kinsfolk and friends for love of earthly power,
Ahovat! what an evil fault it were!
Better I deem it, if my kinsmen strike,
To face them weaponless, and bare my breast
To shaft and spear, than answer blow with blow.


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Re: Bhagavad Gita [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #2855433 - 07/04/04 04:17 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I am not criticising it as I realize it was written in the context for it's time and is an important book to the world as a religious text. The modern Hindu system has a tough job to readress this issue in the context of our times.


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Re: Bhagavad Gita [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #2855479 - 07/04/04 04:50 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I still can't find it. My copy of the Gita consists of a dialogue between Arjuna and Krishna, and there is nothing like that in there.


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Re: Bhagavad Gita [Re: zorbman]
    #2855525 - 07/04/04 05:12 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

http://www.gutenberg.net/etext00/bgita10.txt this seems legit. Published year 1900


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    #2855547 - 07/04/04 05:34 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Okay, thanks. My translation is worded a little differently, but it does have that about castes. It doesn't focus on it though- you might say it is a throwaway line or caste-away line.


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Re: Bhagavad Gita [Re: zorbman]
    #2855557 - 07/04/04 05:41 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

It has been a while for me, but to my recollection there is much more about it in the book, of course new translations have been cleaned up and reworded to be more politically correct. This 1900 translation seems like (or similar to) the one I read 20 years ago. There is no denying, though, that the Hindu system's primary job was to maintain caste divisions in ancient India...keep the rich rich...keep the poor poor. Until the early 1980s untouchables were being used to clean public toilets...with their bare hands. Things have changed, though. If I wanted Buddhism I would choose Zen as it is less encumbered with dogma...more streamlined and aerodynamic.


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    #2855566 - 07/04/04 05:49 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Don't percieve that I am insulting India...all countries have negative baggage...just look at the U.S. or Germany.


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Re: Bhagavad Gita [Re: tekramrepus]
    #2874094 - 07/09/04 08:56 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

i read the bhagavad gita and it inspired me to share the word.So i made a copy of the text on a cd,along with mp3s of a man reading the gita word for word so if they're one of the lazy people of the world and find reading hard they'll listen.I lonly listend to like an hour,then i was so inspired i read and listened at the same time.lol.anyways at nightitme,i walked to the next town and back (thats almost 20 miles,maybe its like 17 or something)and i put the cds in some random mail boxes,if i dind't feel right aobut the house,i didn't put it in.I also made a package of it kinda.I folded up a piece of paper,and put a message of peace on it,what the book was about and all that good stuff.I have many more cds,and i might walk to another town,or when i go out of state,i'm gonna carry my book bag around,hand out the cds or put them in mail boxes.On the ppaper it also please do not waste this,pass it on to a friend,nieghbor,etc.Thats how much that text meant to me.The message of self-realization is incredible.I however knew of that(not bragging,just stating lol.)and many people don't so its like if i got to one person,i did good as far as i think.Many more years to come to do good.Another good read is the Tao.LOTS AND LOTS of wisome in there.


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