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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #28477079 - 09/20/23 08:19 PM (4 months, 5 days ago)

What does religion entail?

Believing in a diety?

Believing in an afterlife.. bardo thodol..reincarnation..?

Living within a set of contexts/rules..?

Sacraments? Perhaps drug use for religious purposes.

Preaching, praying, meditating?

Faith in miracles..

Believing in the stories of prophets, Messiahs and Saints..?


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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: BrendanFlock] * 1
    #28477308 - 09/21/23 03:03 AM (4 months, 5 days ago)

Daniel Liebert; Jelaluddin Rumi - Rumi: Fragments, Ecstasies - EIGHT;
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love Says, 
“I will deliver you this instant!” 

I groped for excuses 
but love came 
excusing me 

I don’t feel strange anymore 
with my heart here 
my soul there 

I discovered 
He is heart and soul 

It was He, not I 
knocking at the door 
It was He within 

I caress my own breast 
for there He is hidden 

no one else knows you; 
since you are I
I know you

forms become a trifle 
when feeling and intuition 
richly intensify 

in the end 
a man tires of everything 
except heart's desiring; 
soul’s journeying 

sultan, saint, pickpocket; 
love has everyone by the ear 
dragging us to God 
by secret ways 

I never knew 
that God, too, desires us




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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: spinvis] * 1
    #28477316 - 09/21/23 03:39 AM (4 months, 5 days ago)

Peace desires peace..

In the landscape of The Wasteland.

Void comic relief. Blackhole Wyrmhole!

Comic destiny.. comedy design movie meta frames of your own imagination/experience.

Based on beliefs religious robes are sold. Martial arts ghetto gear!

Kick on one lash to the next.

Kick God and pledge your loyalty to him.


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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: BrendanFlock] * 1
    #28477354 - 09/21/23 05:29 AM (4 months, 5 days ago)

Brhad-aranyaka Upanisad - CHAPTER I;
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First Brahmana - THE WORLD AS A SACRIFICIAL HORSE
1. Aum, the dawn, verily, is the head of the sacrificial horse, the sun the eye, the wind the breath, the open mouth the Vaisvanara fire; the year is the body of the sacrificial horse, the sky is the back, the atmosphere is the belly, the earth the hoof, the quarters the sides, the intermediate quarters the ribs, the seasons the limbs, the months and the half-months the joints, days and nights the feet, the stars the bones, the clouds the flesh; the food in the stomach is the sand, the rivers are the blood-vessels, the liver and the lungs are the mountains, the herbs and the trees are the hair. The rising (sun) is the forepart, the setting (sun) the hind part, when he yawns then it lightens, when he shakes himself, it thunders, when he urinates then it rains; voice, indeed, is his voice.

Second Brahmana - CREATION OF THE WORLD
1. There was nothing whatsoever here in the beginning. By death indeed was this covered, or by hunger, for hunger is death. He created the mind, thinking ‘let me have a self’ (mind). Then he moved about, worshipping. From him, thus worshipping, water was produced. ‘Verily,’ he thought, ‘while I was worshipping water appeared, therefore water is called arka (fire). Water surely comes to one who thus knows the reason why water is called arka (fire).’




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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: Asante]
    #28478081 - 09/21/23 08:11 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

How is that definition useful at all. All you are saying is the Universe exists and comes from a single point. That is not god, that is a single point from which the universe was born. We believe in the same thing, you just apply the term god to it.


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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: jack_straw2208]
    #28478087 - 09/21/23 08:16 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

Believing things based on evidence is what we do in every day life and is the best method of understanding reality. You put food in your fridge because you have evidence that it will keep your food preserved for extended periods of time.

You can believe anything based on faith. I can believe that white people are better than black people based on faith, or that if I jump from one side of the river to the other I will survive based on faith. Therefore evidence is a much more reliable and better way to find truth than faith.

The same applies to god. There is nothing wrong with saying I don't know, and our current explanation of how the universe exists and was born only goes so far, guessing anything else is just argument from ignorance.


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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: GeckoMaBoi]
    #28478193 - 09/21/23 10:34 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

You believe in entropy, time, cause, and effect, but not a first cause from a higher order of being. :coffee:


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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: GeckoMaBoi] * 1
    #28478198 - 09/21/23 10:39 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

Understanding that some symbols are still and others are moving.

This is the key to attaining knowledge.

Preceived threats. Illumination and sublime liberty freedom for all people/beings.

A Quest For Glory!

Solving every question.

Responding with more enthusiasm.

Responding to questions with both subjectivity and objectivity. Room for art and prose.

A rainbow of time manipulation-energy source.


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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: GeckoMaBoi] * 1
    #28478313 - 09/22/23 04:55 AM (4 months, 4 days ago)

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GeckoMaBoi said:
Believing things based on evidence is what we do in every day life and is the best method of understanding reality. You put food in your fridge because you have evidence that it will keep your food preserved for extended periods of time.

You can believe anything based on faith. I can believe that white people are better than black people based on faith, or that if I jump from one side of the river to the other I will survive based on faith. Therefore evidence is a much more reliable and better way to find truth than faith.

The same applies to god. There is nothing wrong with saying I don't know, and our current explanation of how the universe exists and was born only goes so far, guessing anything else is just argument from ignorance.





Must be nice being so hard to fool


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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: durian_2008]
    #28480513 - 09/23/23 11:56 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

I do not have sufficient evidence to warrant belief in a god


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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #28480516 - 09/24/23 12:02 AM (4 months, 2 days ago)

Quote:

BrendanFlock said:
Understanding that some symbols are still and others are moving.

This is the key to attaining knowledge.

Preceived threats. Illumination and sublime liberty freedom for all people/beings.

A Quest For Glory!

Solving every question.

Responding with more enthusiasm.

Responding to questions with both subjectivity and objectivity. Room for art and prose.

A rainbow of time manipulation-energy source.




Maybe I am stupid but I really don't understand any of this


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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: jack_straw2208]
    #28480517 - 09/24/23 12:03 AM (4 months, 2 days ago)

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jack_straw2208 said:

Must be nice being so hard to fool




I have been fooled plenty of times and expect to be fooled many times again, such is life


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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: GeckoMaBoi]
    #28480566 - 09/24/23 04:15 AM (4 months, 2 days ago)

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GeckoMaBoi said:
I do not have sufficient evidence to warrant belief in a god





So here you are, Godless as a sentient conscious being in a universe that therefore has consciousness and sentience among its properties.


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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: Asante] * 1
    #28480774 - 09/24/23 09:53 AM (4 months, 1 day ago)

Wes "Scoop" Nisker - Trance-Personal Conference - Prague - 1992;
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Anyway, we are all made of the same stuff. As you can see you know, there's grass here and trees. And if you go inside of those grass and trees, you'll find subatomic particles that are the same as the subatomic particles inside of me. What else is there to say? I mean we are all one. And you can have this cosmic perspective. The big bang and everything expanding away from everything else. And it all eventually coming back again into this one little particle that it all came out of. And you can have the great perspective of the Buddha, sits there with his little smile watching empires rise and fall, and individuals rise and fall, and even universes rise and fall. Everything's born and transforming into something else, and nothing remains as it is. And the Buddha knows this and yet he's got this little smile on his face. Sort of a little smaller than that of Alfred E. Neumans, who once said; "What, me worry?". The Buddha's sort of like that, but a little bit smaller of a smile. But no matter how big a cosmic perspective you are, you got, sometimes, you get the blues. Because everybody gets the blues. And life is tough. You know it's just that way. You know the Hasidic rabbis used to say; "If God lives on earth, people would break out all his windows".




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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: spinvis]
    #28481009 - 09/24/23 01:05 PM (4 months, 1 day ago)

that's great.
ty for sharing.  :lol::thumbup:


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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: The Blind Ass] * 1
    #28481470 - 09/24/23 07:27 PM (4 months, 1 day ago)



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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: Asante]
    #28481474 - 09/24/23 07:31 PM (4 months, 1 day ago)

:awesomenod:


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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: Asante]
    #28481963 - 09/25/23 01:28 AM (4 months, 1 day ago)

Yes, I exist in a universe with 'sentient' creatures. That does not mean these sentient creatures exist for an objective purpose or were designed by a sentient creator


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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: GeckoMaBoi] * 1
    #28481975 - 09/25/23 03:33 AM (4 months, 1 day ago)

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Yes, I exist in a universe with 'sentient' creatures. That does not mean these sentient creatures exist for an objective purpose or were designed by a sentient creator





i'm not saying that, i'm saying that because sentience exists in the universe, it thereby is a property of that universe.


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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: GeckoMaBoi]
    #28482408 - 09/25/23 02:03 PM (4 months, 18 hours ago)

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durian_2008 said:
You believe in entropy, time, cause, and effect, but not a first cause from a higher order of being. :coffee:



Quote:

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I do not have sufficient evidence to warrant belief in a god




Many philosophers used the analogy of the watchmaker and the Anthropic Principle and the appearances of intelligent design to prove there is a god, by observing the physical world.

Except, every form of order tends toward degradation, over time.


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