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Max yield not achieved at a loss as to why (pics of mid harvest full growth and pins)
    #28477883 - 09/21/23 05:17 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)




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Re: Max yield not achieved at a loss as to why (pics of mid harvest full growth and pins) [Re: Shroomerdoomerloom]
    #28477910 - 09/21/23 05:36 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

I have nothing to tell you based on the information you provided (ie none).

What did you inoculate with? What did you use as spawn? Pics of any of your steps along the way? We don’t read minds, and we can’t tell what happened up to now.

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Re: Max yield not achieved at a loss as to why (pics of mid harvest full growth and pins) [Re: RoscoeReturns]
    #28477920 - 09/21/23 05:43 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

I inoculated with liquid culture grown from a spore syringe I perchased previously, 2 qts of brown rice as my spawn, 50/50 spawn to sub ratio. This is only my second grow so bear with me but I just genuinely don’t know what happened lol, the myc had enough moisture I thought, small droplets on the surface (misted 1x per day if needed) any help would be great :smile:

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Re: Max yield not achieved at a loss as to why (pics of mid harvest full growth and pins) [Re: Shroomerdoomerloom]
    #28477922 - 09/21/23 05:43 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Spore syringe was labeled “Amazonian Cubensis” edit bulk cvg as sub, forgot to mention

Edited by Shroomerdoomerloom (09/21/23 05:45 PM)

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Re: Max yield not achieved at a loss as to why (pics of mid harvest full growth and pins) [Re: Shroomerdoomerloom]
    #28477929 - 09/21/23 05:50 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

How exactly did you make the LC from a spore syringe?
Did you just inject spores into a jar with nutrient-rich water? Or did you first grow spores out on a plate, cleaned it up and then transferred some healthy myc to the nutrient-rich water?

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Re: Max yield not achieved at a loss as to why (pics of mid harvest full growth and pins) [Re: stroopwafelman]
    #28477930 - 09/21/23 05:51 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

The first option, spores directly into jar with 4% honey to water by weight

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Re: Max yield not achieved at a loss as to why (pics of mid harvest full growth and pins) [Re: Shroomerdoomerloom]
    #28477934 - 09/21/23 05:53 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Then it's most likely the spawn being unclean. Based on the pics seems like you had contam in the darker spot (with myc piss on top) that you later cut out. Did it sprout mold in that area?

P.S. Do you have pics of the grain before it was spawned?

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Re: Max yield not achieved at a loss as to why (pics of mid harvest full growth and pins) [Re: Shroomerdoomerloom] * 1
    #28477936 - 09/21/23 05:55 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Well for starters you aren't completely sterile. You performed open heart surgery in the bottom right corner.


If you are on ur second grow only, I think the odds of you creating a clean LC is super low.


I think it's just super bacterial dude.

And remember spore syringe is like the earth. Millions of people in it. Only a select few become billionaires and fly their rocket ships close enough to see them.


You won't ever get that full canopy flush from MSS, or am I mistaken guys


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Re: Max yield not achieved at a loss as to why (pics of mid harvest full growth and pins) [Re: stroopwafelman]
    #28478005 - 09/21/23 06:46 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

I did some open heart surgery yes there was contam in that area I will try and find pics of spawn but I believe it was clean no sour smells or any discoloration 🤷♀️

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Re: Max yield not achieved at a loss as to why (pics of mid harvest full growth and pins) [Re: Psil-y-nat-y]
    #28478011 - 09/21/23 06:51 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Soo what exactly do you recommend in my case just starting over from new or what should I do to help?

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Re: Max yield not achieved at a loss as to why (pics of mid harvest full growth and pins) [Re: Shroomerdoomerloom]
    #28478019 - 09/21/23 06:55 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

You could keep the tub going, might produce a few more shrooms while you work on clean spawn for the next batch. Read up on agar, create some clean culture, perhaps do agar to grain first before making LC.

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Re: Max yield not achieved at a loss as to why (pics of mid harvest full growth and pins) [Re: Shroomerdoomerloom]
    #28478026 - 09/21/23 06:58 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Welcome to Shroomery! :mushroom2:

Spore syringes are always considered contaminated. They can only be used when innoculating PF cakes. For the latest PF-TEK read Updated PF Tek Guide.

Inoculation with LC is considered an advanced technique and it requires agar work(cleanup and testing). Have you tested LC using agar?

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Re: Max yield not achieved at a loss as to why (pics of mid harvest full growth and pins) [Re: fungusul]
    #28478050 - 09/21/23 07:21 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

No I haven’t got into agar, tried once and failed so I just gave up. Will research thanks for the recommendation!

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Re: Max yield not achieved at a loss as to why (pics of mid harvest full growth and pins) [Re: Shroomerdoomerloom] * 1
    #28478056 - 09/21/23 07:27 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

If you just want some fruit from a spore syringe, try the PF tek. Works well with spore syringes. Very new user friendly. Yields are comparatively low, but you don’t need much equipment.

If you want to use grain spawn then you need to get clean LC from somewhere, or use agar to clean up your culture after you germinate spores. Also there are better performing and cheaper grains out there than rice. Save LC for later, it really is a highly contam prone technique if you don’t have your sterile tek down.

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Re: Max yield not achieved at a loss as to why (pics of mid harvest full growth and pins) [Re: RoscoeReturns]
    #28478062 - 09/21/23 07:38 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the help could i pm you? I have more questions lol you seem pretty knowledgeable

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Re: Max yield not achieved at a loss as to why (pics of mid harvest full growth and pins) [Re: Shroomerdoomerloom] * 1
    #28478281 - 09/22/23 03:28 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Please ask your questions here. Others will read them and learn from them, and you’ll benefit from the advice of those more knowledgeable than me.

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Re: Max yield not achieved at a loss as to why (pics of mid harvest full growth and pins) [Re: RoscoeReturns]
    #28478424 - 09/22/23 07:54 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

There's a dedicated thread for pf tek as well. If you don't want to do agar that's the way to go.

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Re: Max yield not achieved at a loss as to why (pics of mid harvest full growth and pins) [Re: caphynehy]
    #28478580 - 09/22/23 10:51 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the help, agar is kind of hard to source near me for cheap, I could but I’m broke so I’ll probably just try the pf tek

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Re: Max yield not achieved at a loss as to why (pics of mid harvest full growth and pins) [Re: RoscoeReturns]
    #28478586 - 09/22/23 10:57 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

So what you guys are getting at is that I’ve got a messed up starting point? Could I buy a liquid culture syringe? I’m not looking for canopies (I am but) I just want more then like 6 grams out of my tub, what should I do? Or what would you do?
I don’t really think I can get into cloning yet so new syringes?

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Re: Max yield not achieved at a loss as to why (pics of mid harvest full growth and pins) [Re: Shroomerdoomerloom] * 1
    #28478592 - 09/22/23 11:05 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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No I haven’t got into agar, tried once and failed so I just gave up. Will research thanks for the recommendation!




If you can't get agar down, either grow something besides mushrooms or stick with PF TEK

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Re: Max yield not achieved at a loss as to why (pics of mid harvest full growth and pins) [Re: RockinRobot]
    #28478654 - 09/22/23 12:05 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Why pf tek? Does it fruit better or something all I have read says it yields less? Not saying y’all are wrong but curious.

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Re: Max yield not achieved at a loss as to why (pics of mid harvest full growth and pins) [Re: Shroomerdoomerloom]
    #28478660 - 09/22/23 12:12 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

If you're still getting fruits and you have a SAB you can try Bod's syringe tek. If it's in the budget you could just order a spore syringe and follow the PF tek.

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Re: Max yield not achieved at a loss as to why (pics of mid harvest full growth and pins) [Re: Shroomerdoomerloom]
    #28478662 - 09/22/23 12:13 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

PF tek because it's designed for dealing with dirty cultures. If you don't grow the culture on agar you can't be sure it isn't contaminated. Following the PF tek can easily get you more mushrooms than you could ever eat.

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Re: Max yield not achieved at a loss as to why (pics of mid harvest full growth and pins) [Re: caphynehy]
    #28478668 - 09/22/23 12:17 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the help just a broke guy trying to grow mushrooms so I don’t have to pay someone else for them!

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Re: Max yield not achieved at a loss as to why (pics of mid harvest full growth and pins) [Re: caphynehy]
    #28478693 - 09/22/23 01:06 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Another question, would I need to clone to get more shrooms with pf? Or would it fruit better than my tub with the same genetics? Does that make sense? I only got 4 g dried out of my tub

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Re: Max yield not achieved at a loss as to why (pics of mid harvest full growth and pins) [Re: Shroomerdoomerloom]
    #28478707 - 09/22/23 01:34 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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Shroomerdoomerloom said:
No I haven’t got into agar, tried once and failed so I just gave up. Will research thanks for the recommendation!




If you can't get agar down, either grow something besides mushrooms or stick with PF TEK




That's not very constructive...maybe some helpful tips on how to successfully do agar rather than shutting down newbies...


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Re: Max yield not achieved at a loss as to why (pics of mid harvest full growth and pins) [Re: ibz]
    #28478723 - 09/22/23 01:44 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

I mean, op did say he gave up on agar, so, pf tek would be a good option.  If he wants to learn agar, there’s plenty of info/help to be had here.

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Re: Max yield not achieved at a loss as to why (pics of mid harvest full growth and pins) [Re: Shroomerdoomerloom]
    #28478908 - 09/22/23 04:49 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

I recently grew some B+ and golden teacher from spore syringes from a vendor (14 half pint cakes in total) that yielded about 50g dry on the first flush. That was my 3rd try at PF tek, first time went about how yours went, second time I got a decent amount but didn't keep track. The timeline was probably 40 days inoculation to harvest. I lost maybe 5 jars to contam. I buried those in my garden though and actually had a few mushrooms pop up there after a big rain.

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