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OfflineTheLiesUnderneath
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Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing
    #28474474 - 09/19/23 12:09 AM (4 months, 7 days ago)

:mushroom2::rasta::mushroom2::rasta::mushroom2::rasta::mushroom2::rasta::mushroom2::rasta::mushroom2::rasta::mushroom2::rasta::mushroom2:

By far the best spawn tek I have EVER come across. Watch this video if you've never heard of it:



What do you think about it?


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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: TheLiesUnderneath] * 1
    #28474482 - 09/19/23 12:22 AM (4 months, 7 days ago)

You came to the shroomery to ask if we know uncle ben?

And fyi, it's not a tek.

Pretty sure you're trolling.


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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: TheLiesUnderneath] * 1
    #28474501 - 09/19/23 01:27 AM (4 months, 7 days ago)

Go home grandpa, you're drunk!


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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #28474513 - 09/19/23 01:56 AM (4 months, 7 days ago)

x2 on the trolling.


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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: Bajazly]
    #28474554 - 09/19/23 03:54 AM (4 months, 7 days ago)

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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: CapSlinger]
    #28474581 - 09/19/23 05:29 AM (4 months, 7 days ago)

:urreallydumb:


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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: Kinoko314]
    #28474624 - 09/19/23 07:02 AM (4 months, 6 days ago)

Wow amazing TEK! I have so much Trichoderma I barely know what to do with it now. Thank you!! :yesnod:


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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: TheLiesUnderneath]
    #28474651 - 09/19/23 07:51 AM (4 months, 6 days ago)

Yo TheLiesUnderneath, that "method" is well known here but not in a good way. People here like to give folks a hard time about using it


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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #28474787 - 09/19/23 10:16 AM (4 months, 6 days ago)

Epic troll :')


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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: ibz] * 3
    #28474825 - 09/19/23 10:43 AM (4 months, 6 days ago)

My jelousy has been activated....


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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: TheLiesUnderneath]
    #28474855 - 09/19/23 11:11 AM (4 months, 6 days ago)

I tried to watch the whole thing but I fell on the floor and couldn't stop laughing. Didn't know you had comedy hour on the shroomery lol.
This forum never ceases to amaze me lol.
Why do people post nonsense like this and why do the mods allow it to stay up? If it is misinformation, I would think the mods would be in the right to remove it.


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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: meta_mmxxii] * 12
    #28474856 - 09/19/23 11:12 AM (4 months, 6 days ago)

I don't know why people ridicule the UB Tek. The overwhelming majority of people who try it, even newbies, are able to produce the loveliest shades of blue without any trouble. That is the psilocybin and psilocin. Same as when you cut a magic mushroom it turns blue, showing you how strong and potent it is. The bags below are almost 100% psilocybin. Try and do that using a PF-Tek, almost impossible.

     

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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: meta_mmxxii] * 3
    #28474861 - 09/19/23 11:14 AM (4 months, 6 days ago)

Nah, we don't limit speech that runs contrary to sound doctrine. You are however free to critique.

Let's keep things civil and on topic, otherwise this thread will be locked.

@veggie:  good point :lol:


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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: veggie]
    #28474876 - 09/19/23 11:21 AM (4 months, 6 days ago)

But didnt you hear him? The bags are literally perfectly safe right now.


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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: Stipe-n Cap] * 3
    #28474901 - 09/19/23 11:31 AM (4 months, 6 days ago)

Thank goodness we have you guys that DO know what you are doing.
When I first started this endeavor I read a lot about this tek and almost tried it until I found this place and read all the horror stories and decided it was not a path I wanted to go down. As I wanted to be successful. Good thing I never tried. The tek looks good on paper to newbies but is seriously flawed way to go about it.
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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: veggie] * 1
    #28475000 - 09/19/23 01:15 PM (4 months, 6 days ago)

Quote:

veggie said:
I don't know why people ridicule the UB Tek. The overwhelming majority of people who try it, even newbies, are able to produce the loveliest shades of blue without any trouble. That is the psilocybin and psilocin. Same as when you cut a magic mushroom it turns blue, showing you how strong and potent it is. The bags below are almost 100% psilocybin. Try and do that using a PF-Tek, almost impossible.

     

/s




I am a Trich collector, this looks amazing!


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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: Tiamo] * 1
    #28475024 - 09/19/23 01:44 PM (4 months, 6 days ago)

We are just hundreds of shroomerites jealous because we work hard with PCs and grain jars and some clever boys figured a better way.
When I see the quality of this video and the scientific proofs about Unclebens it's all clear now.


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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: Traveled] * 2
    #28475043 - 09/19/23 02:09 PM (4 months, 6 days ago)

I opened the video, saw Lysol and a box of uncle bens, on a stainless steel table surrounded by stainless instruments, then turned it off.

You don't know what you don't know, I suppose. Every noob equates any result with success. "I grew mushrooms, therefore it works", appears to be the sentiment. I would like to think that a simple, logical, reasonable explanation as to why this technique is less than desirable would be sufficient; But, I know better, their kool-aid is stronger than reason.

Relatively expensive grain packets inoculated with contaminated spore solution, filtered by micropore tape, over a hole opened by non sterile scissors or blade, may in fact result in mushrooms. However, the gods of probably dictate that "You may reasonably expect a man to walk a tightrope safely for ten minutes; it would be unreasonable to do so without accident for two hundred years."

Volume will reveal the flaws in your technique, inoculum, and your blatant denial of standard, sterile technique and protocol. This technique is simply retarded, designed by and employed by people who do not understand the basic principles which have been handed down to us by the wider scientific disciplines of microbiology, bacteriology, and mycology.

UB tek is the bacteriologists equivalent of inoculating agar with spit, then streaking with an isopropyl soaked fingertip to streak for species identification.

It's asinine....I mean, super jealous.

This is why the wider world of commercial mushroom farming sees us like this:



I'm relieved to know that all of this is garbage:



It can be sold and replaced by these:



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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #28475049 - 09/19/23 02:13 PM (4 months, 6 days ago)

Groundbreaking tek. Very impressed with the lab coat!


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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: JFlowMan]
    #28475137 - 09/19/23 03:22 PM (4 months, 6 days ago)

You mean I can get my grain already in a bag? Why have I been buying them separately!


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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: HumbleDragon] * 2
    #28475232 - 09/19/23 04:38 PM (4 months, 6 days ago)

I think that is why everybody here has fucked this Tek up because they weren't using lab coats, oh and the twist, never heard anything about that so yeah the twist is key, how could all the pros have missed that?


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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: Traveled] * 1
    #28475310 - 09/19/23 05:17 PM (4 months, 6 days ago)

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Traveled said:
We are just hundreds of shroomerites jealous because we work hard with PCs and grain jars and some clever boys figured a better way.
When I see the quality of this video and the scientific proofs about Unclebens it's all clear now.




The real key is the metal tables and lab coat. Can't believe I've lived in ignorance all these years.


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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: Bajazly] * 2
    #28475318 - 09/19/23 05:20 PM (4 months, 6 days ago)

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Bajazly said:
I think that is why everybody here has fucked this Tek up because they weren't using lab coats, oh and the twist, never heard anything about that so yeah the twist is key, how could all the pros have missed that?




It's all the toxic gate-keeping that happens around here. Say anything that goes against established doctrine, and you immediately get shut down.

Obviously, nobody around here is eating their harvests. Otherwise, this place would be a lot friendlier and more welcoming to total strangers who want free advice on doing the bare minimum. As well as freethinkers who can see outside the confines of the mental prison we've created for ourselves.


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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: JFlowMan] * 1
    #28475435 - 09/19/23 06:21 PM (4 months, 6 days ago)

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JFlowMan said:
Groundbreaking tek. Very impressed with the lab coat!




just wait until I drop my safety spek tek


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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #28475650 - 09/19/23 08:35 PM (4 months, 6 days ago)

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Stipe-n Cap said:





I love the syringes of multi-colored liquids, cuz you know, SCIENCE.


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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: Kinoko314] * 2
    #28475764 - 09/19/23 10:29 PM (4 months, 6 days ago)

Not going to lie, I was honestly going to try uncle bens until I made this thread. The lab coat was extremely convincing


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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: TheLiesUnderneath]
    #28475767 - 09/19/23 10:34 PM (4 months, 6 days ago)

Does anyone here know of any way to make the uncle ben's tek work? One would imagine that there's some way to sterilize the contents of the bag


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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: TheLiesUnderneath] * 3
    #28475770 - 09/19/23 10:39 PM (4 months, 6 days ago)

It's not that it doesn't work. It's just that the results are awful, inconsistent, and near-impossible to improve upon in any meaningful way.

I don't know if those bags could withstand a pressure cooker cycle or not. I'm guessing maybe they could, as they're designed to be microwaved. But now you've got a pressure cooker, so you might as well save a ton of money and just cook up your own grain at that point.

The entire thing rests on the assumption that precooked rice has already been sterilized, so UBtek acolytes also wouldn't have much interest in going that route. But it is a fundamentally flawed assumption, as aseptic packaging is not the same as the sterilization cycles we run when prepping grain.


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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: TheLiesUnderneath] * 1
    #28475780 - 09/19/23 11:00 PM (4 months, 6 days ago)

Why trying to sterilize expensive bags of rice when you can sterilize very cheap grain in whatever pp5 or glass containers?

But give it a try real science is based on experiences.

I did try UB in the same time that a few grain jars and PF cakes, same day same procedure same innoculent, and ended up with trich on all UB bags but loose only one grain jar and none of the cakes.


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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: Traveled] * 9
    #28475902 - 09/20/23 05:34 AM (4 months, 6 days ago)

Even if the bags were immaculately sterile, spore solution isn't. Syringes are not sterile, some are cleaner than others. Even if you inoculated an UB bag with clean LC or an agar wedge without having first cross contaminated the bag while opening it, you're still left with a bag filtered by micropore tape.

It can work, but why would you bother? Let's remember that this "tek" is used to produce spawn, unlike PF tek. Contaminated spawn becomes exponentially worse when introduced to bulk substrate, bacteria and mold love warm humid environments.

PF tek on the otherhand is designed for septic spore solution, it's designed with failure in mind. The nature of the PF recipe/tek is to fruit directly from the inoculated substrate, the granular rice flour keeps bacteria locked in place, allowing for the possibility of a small flush even when contaminated. Noobs do not appreciate the sheer simplistic genius of the PF tek. PF tek can be inoculated without a SAB or any consideration for aseptic technique, or previous experience.

PF tek doesn't require a pressure cooker; PF tek is inexpensive; PF tek is noob friendly; PF tek is designed for use with spore syringes; PF tek is designed to be run cheaply in volume, and is the only acceptable, reasonable introduction tek for new growers exploring the cultivation of many active species without the requirement for obtaining expensive equipment.

PF is a mush cult legend, who the fuck even started this nonsense? WillyMyco? :rofl:

I remember this emerging on the boards many moons ago as a novelty grow, and that's exactly what this is: Novelty.

Pssh!


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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: Stipe-n Cap] * 1
    #28475922 - 09/20/23 06:08 AM (4 months, 6 days ago)

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Even if the bags were immaculately sterile, spore solution isn't. Syringes are not sterile, some are cleaner than others. Even if you inoculated an UB bag with clean LC or an agar wedge without having first cross contaminated the bag while opening it, you're still left with a bag filtered by micropore tape.

It can work, but why would you bother? Let's remember that this "tek" is used to produce spawn, unlike PF tek. Contaminated spawn becomes exponentially worse when introduced to bulk substrate, bacteria and mold love warm humid environments.

PF tek on the otherhand is designed for septic spore solution, it's designed with failure in mind. The nature of the PF recipe/tek is to fruit directly from the inoculated substrate, the granular rice flour keeps bacteria locked in place, allowing for the possibility of a small flush even when contaminated. Noobs do not appreciate the sheer simplistic genius of the PF tek.

PF tek doesn't require a pressure cooker.




Thank you for this clear description of the process going under those teks.
It's always pleasant to know why rather than just reading "do this" and "don't do that" .


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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: Traveled] * 4
    #28475939 - 09/20/23 06:29 AM (4 months, 6 days ago)

Ah Uncle Ben, my oldest friend. You never age and you never change. May God shine his blessing down on your oily grains.


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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: TheLiesUnderneath] * 3
    #28476744 - 09/20/23 04:57 PM (4 months, 5 days ago)

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Does anyone here know of any way to make the uncle ben's tek work?



It does work, in a way, just very poorly, with an extremely high failure rate. Many people have tried to improve it or 'make it work', as you say, over the past 18-20 years on here, and still getting similar results to what folks on reddit and youtube are getting now. That is why this so called 'tek' was abandoned ages ago on the Shroomery, although we do still get questions about it.

I think what you are actually wanting an answer to; Are there easy ways to grow mushrooms at home with a high success rate?

Yes, of course there is. There are thousands of cultivation posts on here that contain the word 'tek'. That doesn't mean there are thousands of ways to grow cubes. In my opinion, there are just three main* ways:

Agar to grain: The traditional method, high success rate. Needs a pressure cooker, SAB (or flowhood/FFU).

PF-Tek (BRF): The 'Psilocybe Fanaticus' method, High success rate, easy, foolproof, lower yield. Needs a spore syringe, SAB preferred, PC optional.

Or a combination of those two utilizing both BRF and agar.

* There are also bottle teks and ziploc bag teks that will work great as well.

Pick a popular, highly rated, successful tek and follow it. You'll end up with plenty of mushrooms!

When choosing a tek, use common sense. Don't go with one that is highly controversial or has fallen out of favor, or doesn't work. Use the same logic that you use when buying off Amazon or Ebay, check the ratings, so to speak.

The only times a newbie fails usually, using proven teks, is they don't use sterile technique, don't follow the directions, or improvise and take shortcuts.

Some common improvs I've seen: Couldn't find 8oz wide mouth jars for PF, so used a quart jar. Instead of oats, used oatmeal. Instead of vermiculite, used perlite (they rhyme), Didn't have ffu, so taped t-shirt to box fan, etc. Little things like that will ruin a grow.

Just pick a proven tek and follow it.


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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: veggie] * 7
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    #28476824 - 09/20/23 06:12 PM (4 months, 5 days ago)

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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: TheLiesUnderneath] * 1
    #28476828 - 09/20/23 06:14 PM (4 months, 5 days ago)

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Does anyone here know of any way to make the uncle ben's tek work?



can you link exactly what you are talking about when you say "uncle ben's tek". Just like the supposed "pf tek" I see lots of variations, with stuff I would totally discourage in some.

I have previous posts showing successful grows with pouched rice, I recommend re-heat treating it and various other things to reduce risk.

e.g. in this video he seems to use a full syringe in 4 bags, pure madness. In other videos I am pretty sure I saw 1cc/1ml, still crazy. If you search my posts you may find advice, with full explanations, e.g. I get 25 drops per ml, so his 2.5ml would do 62bags if it was 1 drop per bag, hugely decreasing the risk of contams if you presume a syringe has a finite number of contams. If you dilute your syringe properly it is reduced far more again.

I have posted a lot about various aspects, e.g. how naysayers are often UScentric, (semi)big growers, or have actually even tripped before! and so may bizarrely presume everybody is similar to themselves. I am in various cooking groups and nobody scoffs in utter disbelief/disdain/disgust at the thought of people buying pouches of precooked rice. My supermarket has a huge shelf space dedicated to sterile rice pouches, people value convenience, is this so hard to understand? many want 1 mild trip per year max! many are hopeless at cooking rice/grains or anything, are people really this ignorant/stupid not to realise this?! the mind boggles...


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    #28476844 - 09/20/23 06:26 PM (4 months, 5 days ago)

Funny, I mainly picture Americans trying to get everything they need at Wal-Mart so they can go home and noc up some drugs.

I really don't know what to say about the rest of it, except I don't give a shit about supporting peoples' slide into justification for being lazy and incompetent. Especially when the outcome is more single-use plastic waste. And yes, I'm referring to eating those stupid pouches, too. If someone can't be assed to figure out how to make rice, then I can't be assed to humor them and answer their questions.

I'm perfectly fine with there being somewhat of a barrier to entry. And not entirely comfortable with the idea of someone growing "just a little bit" of completely unknown potency, with no hope of ever achieving a calibration.

It's not at all hard to understand, but it's also something I have no interest in encouraging.


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    #28476846 - 09/20/23 06:27 PM (4 months, 5 days ago)

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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: BeefSupremeJr] * 2
    #28476920 - 09/20/23 07:09 PM (4 months, 5 days ago)

my UB experience helped teach how to use an SAB, but was otherwise pretty worthless.  Even the bags inoc'd with an LC syringe came out smelling like sour ass. The difference between UB and proper teks has been really satisfying. Kind of like crashing a bicycle before learning to ride a sport bike


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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: BeefSupremeJr] * 1
    #28477019 - 09/20/23 07:49 PM (4 months, 5 days ago)

Its not even called uncle ben's brown rice anymore, it's "ben's original" now. BO, yo!.. They jacked the price up almost an extra dollar per pouch over the last 1-2 years, because so many people on foodstamps were stripping the shelves clear in every store, as "UB" tek gained popularity. My best guess anyway, lol.

I think the whole "having more moisture content in "BO" pouches" compared to the other cheaper store owned brands is a myth. I noticed water pool up in the bottom of pouches that are more compressed(like the BO bags are from the factory compared to all the others btw), and depending on how they are stored, includingthe temps, but as soon as you fluff the rice around it reabsorbs. Someone probably seen the pooled up water and spread rumors, lol. The store brands do the same but not as bad because they aren't as packed in the pouch.

I just wouldn't buy that brand for $2-3, or expect people to pay that much for rice per pouch either when the store brands are 1.25 each, or sometimes even cheaper on sale.


I'm not even gonna bring up how people inject too much, because that's what gave the pre sterilized grain bags (the proper way to refer to them, not UB) their bad name in the first place. Injecting with spore solution. Some don't care though, and willing to gamble on a few bucks worth of MSS and cheap rice packs. I almost did too. Some people buy all the stuff to prepare their own grains, and end still end up growing shitloads of contams too. IMO, its more about proper technique than what your working with. It's not that hard to treat the bags with care when shaking them up, and making sure the vacuum seal doesn't suck in bad air by using a SAB, and also clipping the bags off first, and only use a small bit of any solutions. 

Seriously, if the 90 second rice bags had no label (all clear would be nice, and the bigger family size packs (1 qt worth) that have brown rice instead of basmati too) and were simply referred to as grains like any other jar or  grain bag, then I really don't see the difference from most other teks where you inoculate the grains much in the same way. I see micropore tape on their jar lids\bottles too.

I think if someone simply renamed it to BO tek.. or something else lol.. and advise whoever to buy a few premade agar dishes online somewhere for a few extra bux to get a clean culture(or only use guaranteed or your money back sterile LC syringes), and a block of coir, and construct a SAB to work the rice bags in.. that it couldn't be beat as far as someone that just wants a small decent sized batch or 2 with little overhead cost, but not as tiny as the flushes little pf cakes put out in the same time frame.

How can you beat paying $2.50 per quart (2 pouches worth, unless they come out with brown rice variety in the family 120 second size :wink: ) of nutritious perfect every time brown rice in the bag ready to go, that came from the most sophisticated rice cooker machine ever?

1 cardboard case of 90 second rice pouches has 8 of them, and cost $10 at my local store. For their own brand which is supposedly better anyway. That's 4 quarts of human grade grains minus possible endospores almost ready to go, which could get you a qp dried fruits if done right when bulking it out per case of pouches. Will pf tek get you anywhere near that much?


You would have to do a couple hours work to prepare that same 4 qts of whatever else, and baby sit a big enough pressure cooker that cost more money,plus buy all the jars or even plastic autoclaveable "mushroom bags" that cost almost half as much as a bag of pre sterilized rice as is..

Or, just conveniently grab a case for 10 bucks. Time is money right?

It seems like the perfect middle ground between going all out and preparing your own grains.. on top of buying the equipment to do it consistently enough to be worth it, and also just using pf tek instead to grow a few small bags worth which probably takes up the same amount of time over all.. 

That's how I see it anyway, and i'm sure there is a way to invent some kind of reusable gas exchange ports you can glue right to the bags before peircing them open.. instead of cutting them up with the bag clips trying not to suck in open air before you get the tape on. Treat them like any other grow bags that have built in ports too right?..

I don't like the waste though, which Is probably the only reason why I wouldn't continue using the pouches for any long period of time.


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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: blackout]
    #28477043 - 09/20/23 08:02 PM (4 months, 5 days ago)

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many are hopeless at cooking rice/grains or anything, are people really this ignorant/stupid not to realise this?! the mind boggles...




"Are people so stupid they don't realize people are too stupid to cook rice?"

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    #28477062 - 09/20/23 08:12 PM (4 months, 5 days ago)

using rice for a grain to noc up seems fine i guess but uncle bens isnt even really cheap.  i see it at walmart for like $2.50 for a half pound bag.  for 50 lbs of it, youd be looking at $125 plus tax.  i can get 50lbs of wheat for 12$. so even then it doesnt make sense.  Ive seen 50lb bags of rice bulk for around 40$ which is hell of a lot cheaper than UB if you insist on rice.  Youre paying for the packaging I guess which seems convenient yet wasteful.  I dont know.  anyway i try to be understanding, it just seems like a wasteful way to have a very risky grow.  Im trying to understand what draws so many people to it.  is it just that you dont need a pc?


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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: PsillySeeEms] * 2
    #28477082 - 09/20/23 08:21 PM (4 months, 5 days ago)

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You would have to do a couple hours work to prepare that same 4 qts of whatever else, and baby sit a big enough pressure cooker that cost more money,plus buy all the jars or even plastic autoclaveable "mushroom bags" that cost almost half as much as a bag of pre sterilized rice as is..

Or, just conveniently grab a case for 10 bucks. Time is money right?



Instant pots are common. Mine fits 3qt jars. Each batch takes about 10 mins of active work using yoshi's low-prep tek. No need to babysit.

Jars can be found relatively easily from good-will, flea markets, older relatives, etc

Agar and sauce cups can be found locally for cheap, or as you suggested premade petris aren't too costly

Coir and SAB costs are shared equally between the teks, so no gain or loss there

ime all of that ended up being cheaper, and faster, than failing with UB

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    #28477083 - 09/20/23 08:22 PM (4 months, 5 days ago)

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Im trying to understand what draws so many people to it.  is it just that you dont need a pc?




Yup, that's it. I think most people are inoculating in open-air, too. So really, you don't need any equipment at all. And there are only 2 steps. That's incredibly attractive, and can make just about any alternative look daunting.

Sometimes it's just what people are exposed to, as well.

The first information I found on growing mushrooms was in the MMGG (Oss and Oeric).That laid out scraping spores on agar, inoculating grain jars, and then top-fruiting them. I got as far as growing some lovely penicillin in my petri dishes.

The next time I encountered anything new was when I ordered syringes and instructions from PF. It blew my mind that I didn't have to mess around with agar, and could just use a spore syringe. I followed his instructions to a T (and some were pretty wonky, by today's standards).

In both those cases, I would have followed pretty much any instructions I was given. If either manual had said "go buy microwaveable rice," I would have done it.

But we all know what's truly daunting: the prospect of staring down a sea of bacterial spawn, and trying to decide whether it's already too far gone or not. Or having months of anticipation dissolve into nothing more than a sea of green.


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    #28477086 - 09/20/23 08:23 PM (4 months, 5 days ago)

The refried bean packs though, now were talking! 90 seconds in the nuker, and then you can squeeze perfect stripes of hot mooshy beans across your taco or burritos. Then, simply (not for me though, I kinda hate waste!) toss the empty  used package in the trash, instead of scrubbing a pan. Trying to spoon it out over your nachos? With the pouch, its squirt squirt squirt!... perfect bite size servings over every chip with ease! It's too good to be true, so ya don't do it! Please buy tin cans that are hard to remove the contents (unless you know the trick of pocking a hole on the other side first), then scrub those out along with the pan and the drops on the floor and stove.. and recycle them, thanks! :wink:


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    #28477092 - 09/20/23 08:26 PM (4 months, 5 days ago)

I used to go hard with the dehydrated refried beans. Boiling water, mix, immediately add a giant chunk of cheddar. I'd just eat it like that.

That's also how they prepare them at Taco Bell (minus the cheese part).


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    #28477123 - 09/20/23 08:38 PM (4 months, 5 days ago)

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Instant pots are common. Mine fits 3qt jars. Each batch takes about 10 mins of active work using yoshi's low-prep tek. No need to babysit.

Jars can be found relatively easily from good-will, flea markets, older relatives, etc

Agar and sauce cups can be found locally for cheap, or as you suggested premade petris aren't too costly

Coir and SAB costs are shared equally between the teks, so no gain or loss there

ime all of that ended up being cheaper, and faster, than failing with UB

time is indeed money. wasted time is wasted money




Yep, IP are awesome. I find them at goodwill, just like the last brand new cases of jars (small mouth, but 5 fit perfect in a 6qt IP, so thats like 5 rice pouches) for like 5 bucks a flat. 6qt IPs are $25-40 for practically new ones used all day long by the dozens, and so I keep looking to buy them all up.

I'm not even gonna waste time,  because I'm gonna have like 5 IPs running on timers all day (with proper circuits), and try dropping agar pucks right down through the steam vents after its all cool off, using the cheap 25-50lb bags of rice I been seeing and finding the perfect amount of water to add.. I hide IPs behind greasy junk so I can come back on 50% off day, but some asshole keeps putting them back out on display, lol. 25 a piece! For automated PCs that I think I can just use the pot as the main jar as is, before cracking the lids and spawning to bulk. Easy to lowball FB marketplace sellers too, for ones that have only cooked a roast or 2, haha.

Is it possible to just cook the batch of rice, and noc up the whole pot, especially if you have a fleet of 6-8qt IPs? Might turn into my new plan!


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    #28477138 - 09/20/23 08:45 PM (4 months, 5 days ago)

Just talked a friend out of trying UB for his first ever grow. Gonna give him some T3s and prints and he will start with agar instead.
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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: PsillySeeEms]
    #28477151 - 09/20/23 08:51 PM (4 months, 5 days ago)

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Is it possible to just cook the batch of rice, and noc up the whole pot, especially if you have a fleet of 6-8qt IPs? Might turn into my new plan!



The rice won't get completely sterilized. The bottom will burn, and the top won't stay heated enough to kill everything. IP heating cycles aren't like a normal PC. Putting wet grain in jars helps even it all out.

And besides, no idea how you'd inoc without contaminating. The vents aren't straight through the lid.

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    #28477314 - 09/21/23 03:34 AM (4 months, 5 days ago)

This is one of the best discussions of UB Tek I've seen. One good point gets raised, in my opinion, and one that is often overlooked on this forum. Not everyone wants to grow mushrooms as a hobby. Some want to grow mushrooms as a means to an end. Not everyone needs huge harvests. For some, an ounce or two will last them years. And finally, not everyone has an amount of disposable income to buy supplies to get a good harvest. There is something to be said about UB that appeals to this group. At first sight it looks like it could accomplish this goal. If you analyse it further you will realise that PF Tek is much superior for this and even cheaper considering the failure rate of UB, but most won't.

One of the things that held me back when first starting to grow was exactly this: I did not want to buy a lot of cultivation specific things considering I did not see growing mushrooms as a long term thing and did not want to deal with the hassle of disposing things afterwards that would go unused. On top of that, the budget was limited.

In a way I still don't really enjoy this hobby. I dread sterile work. I hate fussing about in a SAB. I don't have a lot of space to store cultivation supplies and they take over my bedroom. I grow to supply my friends and I with mushrooms. And I don't need to grow a lot to do that.


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    #28477329 - 09/21/23 04:29 AM (4 months, 5 days ago)

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    #28477417 - 09/21/23 07:58 AM (4 months, 4 days ago)

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The refried bean packs though, now were talking! 90 seconds in the nuker, and then you can squeeze perfect stripes of hot mooshy beans across your taco or burritos. Then, simply (not for me though, I kinda hate waste!) toss the empty  used package in the trash, instead of scrubbing a pan. Trying to spoon it out over your nachos? With the pouch, its squirt squirt squirt!... perfect bite size servings over every chip with ease! It's too good to be true, so ya don't do it! Please buy tin cans that are hard to remove the contents (unless you know the trick of pocking a hole on the other side first), then scrub those out along with the pan and the drops on the floor and stove.. and recycle them, thanks! :wink:




I've always hated beans.  I must say, "squirt squirt squirt" doesn't give it any more appeal.  Just gross.


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    #28477423 - 09/21/23 08:12 AM (4 months, 4 days ago)

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PF tek doesn't require a pressure cooker; PF tek is inexpensive; PF tek is noob friendly; PF tek is designed for use with spore syringes; PF tek is designed to be run cheaply in volume, and is the only acceptable, reasonable introduction tek for new growers exploring the cultivation of many active species without the requirement for obtaining expensive equipment.

PF is a mush cult legend, who the fuck even started this nonsense? WillyMyco? :rofl:

I remember this emerging on the boards many moons ago as a novelty grow, and that's exactly what this is: Novelty.

Pssh!




PF tek is the only appropriate entry level tek. There is no comparison, there's no contention, there's no competition.

Uncle bens, or whatever you want to call those rice packs, fails on every single point of analysis; Failing to see this is either the result of incompetence, or intellectual dishonesty, probably both simultaneously.

The use of spawn is by definition more advanced than fruiting from PF jars, therefore PF is far less complicated, and far more noob friendly. Failure will be higher with UB when compared to PF, making PF the obvious choice for folks who want a hassle free, simplistic, inexpensive introduction to mush cult.

If you're the sort of person who views grinding brown rice into flour as a "hassle", you're a lazy fuck and should stop breathing out of your mouth, it's unhealthy. :lol:

If producing your own BRF with a coffee grinder is too much of a pita, pre-milled brown rice flour is widely available and very inexpensive. Hydrated brown rice flour mixed with vermiculite is the superior comparative media.


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    #28477465 - 09/21/23 09:24 AM (4 months, 4 days ago)

my nose has been broken so many times it's really hard for me to breathe through.  The moment I have a job with benefits I'm going to have it fixed but until then please bear with me.


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    #28477498 - 09/21/23 09:56 AM (4 months, 4 days ago)

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    #28478302 - 09/22/23 04:26 AM (4 months, 4 days ago)

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If you're the sort of person who views grinding brown rice into flour as a "hassle", you're a lazy fuck and should stop breathing out of your mouth, it's unhealthy. :lol:





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    #28478303 - 09/22/23 04:30 AM (4 months, 4 days ago)

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    #28478348 - 09/22/23 06:12 AM (4 months, 4 days ago)



Great value brown rice is $3.98 per 5 lb bag (@ 5 cents per oz). That isn't really a bad deal now is it? $40 per 50 lbs, but you don't even have to buy it all at once either. Just what you need, maybe 10 lbs at a time for $8, and still getting a deal. Plus, you can eat it for dinners too, but walmart brand rice isn't really that good IMO. Perfect for mushrooms grains though.

Why wouldn't you want to use brown rice over any other grains, that might cost 10-15 bucks cheaper for a big sack? How can you beat the quality, knowing that its just nice clean rice grains with nothing else..?

Then get an 8qt instant pot that can fit 4x 1qt jars and your in business. Pop out a $10 case of 90s rice pouches worth every few 2-3 hours. They really are super efficient too, and save big on electricity compared to PCs. You still need to prepare the rice and spend a little time, even though the IP does most of the work. Use it to precook the rice too.. You need to spend a half a day on and off to get 16 qts if you have only one IP though. You could just buy 32 rice packs for $40 on the way home from work and grow a lb if you actually start them off right with a clean culture and use proper work procedures handling the pouches.. It's not like the 90 second mycologist dudes don't promote using agar and even g2g the rice bags in front of flow hoods, etc. Its not like it isn't a viable alternative to growing mushrooms, if you can handle keeping 32 taped up bags sterile somehow.

Then re clean & sterilize the empty plastic pouches, and stuff all 32 of them with half ounces of dried product, after printing a cool label back over it, making them double use plastic :wink:

Melt all the plastic rice pouches down and form them into badass new mono tubs, lol.

I dunno.

Maybe that is why it's so appealing?


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    #28478385 - 09/22/23 07:08 AM (4 months, 3 days ago)

Rice packs = spawn. Spawn is at least an intermediate level cultivation practice.

Rice packs = high rate of failure. This failure is largely due to the use of septic spore solution being introduced to a moist environment. Spawn is mixed at some point, whether it's directly after inoculation, during spawn run, or at very least just prior to spawning.

Bacteria has limited motility without the presence of sufficient moisture. Using too much spore solution will exacerbate bacterial infections due to increased bacterial motility throughout the medium; however, even when a single drop of MS-solution is used, the agitation of the rice prior to spawning blends the bacteria (or any other contaminant) globally throughout the packet, and then homogeneously throughout the bulk substrate at spawning. Bulk substrate is a water reservoir, contaminants love moist environments.

It's worth mentioning that any disruption of the mycelial colony via breakage will weaken the organisms ability to stave off infections, this is why spawn can stall out post shake. Stalling = contamination which has taken advantage of the weakened host. This also applies to the bulk substrate post spawning. Infected spawn will grow slowly, produce metabolites, Trichoderma, molds, and aggressive bacterial blooms.

It's at this stage when the new grower must decide which tubs to purchase, what hole configuration, what brand of coir to use, how much water is required, do I need to pasteurize? Etc, etc, etc, up to and including never ending threads asking the same questions ad nauseum. This is when I say: have you ever heard of PF tek?

UB produces failure on a biblical scale. Loss should be factored into your pricing analysis, failure means: more spore solution, more packets, time wasted, etc.

PF Tek is not spawn, it's a type of "all in one" fruiting substrate. The entire life cycle is played out in one sterile container. The design prevents cross contamination, provides adequate filtration; The substrate remains intact throughout, limiting the scope of inevitable infections. By maintaining the integrity of your media your colony will have a greater chance of producing fruit even while threatened by aggressive bacteria. This is simply not the case with UB. The granular structure of the BRF/vermiculite combo further restricts bacterial motility.

You don't know what you don't know. This is basic and self evident to anyone with an understanding of cultivation practices, the mushroom life cycle, and a basic understanding of contamination.

PF requires a pot, water, brown rice flour, and vermiculite. The one time purchase of jars is just that, one time.
These jars can be truly sterilized, can be reused hundreds of times, they're capable of maintaining sterility, and are nearly fool proof.

New growers lack the requisite experience to identify problems with spawn. Spore solution to spawn will produce contamination, the same contamination will present itself in pf jars. UB packs restrict visibility, which makes identifying contamination difficult unless absolutely obvious, Trichoderma or some other mold would be an obvious indicator to some, while others confuce with bluing.

Contamination identification is an intermediate to advanced level cultivation skill. Even when bacterial, yeast, or mold contaminations are apparent to more advanced growers, the noob will ague as though their personal identity has been violated, then proceed to expand their rekt spawn.

PF is designed to allow maximum visibility when injecting spore solution down the face of your glass jars. This visibility allows the new grower to correlate outcome with growth patterns. They quickly learn which visual identifiers correlate to either outright failure or reduced fruiting performance without sacrificing downstream resources.

No shaking, no spawning, no requirement for ninja eyes. Even a highly infected cake can push a fruit or two.

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If you want to do UB, do it.  You're not convincing anyone, Psillyseeems.


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    #28478444 - 09/22/23 08:17 AM (4 months, 3 days ago)

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Great value brown rice is $3.98 per 5 lb bag (@ 5 cents per oz). That isn't really a bad deal now is it? $40 per 50 lbs, but you don't even have to buy it all at once either. Just what you need, maybe 10 lbs at a time for $8, and still getting a deal. Plus, you can eat it for dinners too, but walmart brand rice isn't really that good IMO. Perfect for mushrooms grains though.

Why wouldn't you want to use brown rice over any other grains, that might cost 10-15 bucks cheaper for a big sack? How can you beat the quality, knowing that its just nice clean rice grains with nothing else..?

Then get an 8qt instant pot that can fit 4x 1qt jars and your in business. Pop out a $10 case of 90s rice pouches worth every few 2-3 hours. They really are super efficient too, and save big on electricity compared to PCs. You still need to prepare the rice and spend a little time, even though the IP does most of the work. Use it to precook the rice too.. You need to spend a half a day on and off to get 16 qts if you have only one IP though. You could just buy 32 rice packs for $40 on the way home from work and grow a lb if you actually start them off right with a clean culture and use proper work procedures handling the pouches.. It's not like the 90 second mycologist dudes don't promote using agar and even g2g the rice bags in front of flow hoods, etc. Its not like it isn't a viable alternative to growing mushrooms, if you can handle keeping 32 taped up bags sterile somehow.

Then re clean & sterilize the empty plastic pouches, and stuff all 32 of them with half ounces of dried product, after printing a cool label back over it, making them double use plastic :wink:

Melt all the plastic rice pouches down and form them into badass new mono tubs, lol.

I dunno.

Maybe that is why it's so appealing?




i fail to see how this is better than wheat.

i get wheat at 12$/50lbs.  you can eat it too.


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many are hopeless at cooking rice/grains or anything, are people really this ignorant/stupid not to realise this?! the mind boggles...




"Are people so stupid they don't realize people are too stupid to cook rice?"




have you a question for me? need some clarification or something? I pretty much agree with YOUR comment though, or is that quote from someone else?

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I tried UB with 4 bags early on while waiting for pf-tek to colonize, and it was nothing but contamination.



Can you post the guide you followed? in hindsight is there anything you would do differently? hopefully you have the intelligence to figure out what I mean by this question, rather than some all too predictable cringeworthy reply like "do PF tek".

People are talking about UB teks, but I see none posted, just the video in the first post.


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    #28478915 - 09/22/23 05:01 PM (4 months, 3 days ago)

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It's not that it doesn't work. It's just that the results are awful, inconsistent, and near-impossible to improve upon in any meaningful way.



what is "it", have you a link to this "UB tek" that you are talking about? When/if you do can you be a bit more clear about what you mean when you say it is near impossible to improve, surely there will be improvements you could suggest to it, i.e. very easy alterations which would likely increase the potential for success by say 20% (which I would consider a meaningful improvement).

I asked the other poster for a link to the guide they considered but heard nothing. I do not believe there is a definitive one.

e.g. in the video they are injecting 2.5ml, I gave advice on this. Maybe I am completely misunderstanding this "near-impossible to improve" comment.

The other crazy thing I see is people massaging bags, which is working them like bagpipes forcing air in and out at a very fast rate, far faster than many filters will cope with.


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    #28478925 - 09/22/23 05:10 PM (4 months, 3 days ago)

Holy shit this whole time I was operating under the impression that this whole thread was posted as an elaborate troll. This guy is actually serious? he really came here to tell us to stop what we are doing to inoculate bags of shitty fucking rice that's desiccated with Roundup? Say it ain't so.


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    #28478928 - 09/22/23 05:12 PM (4 months, 3 days ago)

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It's not that it doesn't work. It's just that the results are awful, inconsistent, and near-impossible to improve upon in any meaningful way.



what is "it", have you a link to this "UB tek" that you are talking about? When/if you do can you be a bit more clear about what you mean when you say it is near impossible to improve, surely there will be improvements you could suggest to it, i.e. very easy alterations which would likely increase the potential for success by say 20% (which I would consider a meaningful improvement).

I asked the other poster for a link to the guide they considered but heard nothing. I do not believe there is a definitive one.

e.g. in the video they are injecting 2.5ml, I gave advice on this. Maybe I am completely misunderstanding this "near-impossible to improve" comment.

The other crazy thing I see is people massaging bags, which is working them like bagpipes forcing air in and out at a very fast rate, far faster than many filters will cope with.



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    #28478935 - 09/22/23 05:18 PM (4 months, 3 days ago)

yeah I guess when you can't beat them join them.  Why fuck around with a nearly 100% success rate when you can just buy expensive shitty rice and turn it into slime most of the time?


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    #28478938 - 09/22/23 05:22 PM (4 months, 3 days ago)

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It's not that it doesn't work. It's just that the results are awful, inconsistent, and near-impossible to improve upon in any meaningful way.



what is "it", have you a link to this "UB tek" that you are talking about? When/if you do can you be a bit more clear about what you mean when you say it is near impossible to improve, surely there will be improvements you could suggest to it, i.e. very easy alterations which would likely increase the potential for success by say 20% (which I would consider a meaningful improvement).

I asked the other poster for a link to the guide they considered but heard nothing. I do not believe there is a definitive one.

e.g. in the video they are injecting 2.5ml, I gave advice on this. Maybe I am completely misunderstanding this "near-impossible to improve" comment.

The other crazy thing I see is people massaging bags, which is working them like bagpipes forcing air in and out at a very fast rate, far faster than many filters will cope with.




1.Squirting spore solution directly into any grain vessel that you intend to spawn.

2. Trying to circumvent prepping and sterilizing your own grain by buying bags of microwaveable rice.

3. Working in open air, without proper sterile technique.

4. Trying to inoculate by cutting a corner off a bag of microwaveable rice.

5. Trying to add gas exchange by making a hole in a bag of microwaveable rice and then putting micropore tape over it.

You can ask "what TEK specifically," but it doesn't matter. These are the central elements to UBtek. Could you increase your chances a bit by not hitting all of them? Sure, maybe. But the more you deviate from that formula, the more pointless it all becomes. You lose the main draw of a simple one-step process as you add elements that involve more work and equipment, while retaining most of the risk.

But the fundamental issue, to me, is that there's no learning curve, or ability to do any real troubleshooting. You're just stepping back up to the craps table every time.


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    #28478940 - 09/22/23 05:25 PM (4 months, 3 days ago)

Wait until I inoculate a microwavable vegetarian burrito. You're all going to be eating crow.


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    #28478941 - 09/22/23 05:25 PM (4 months, 3 days ago)

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yeah I guess when you can't beat them join them.  Why fuck around with a nearly 100% success rate when you can just buy expensive shitty rice and turn it into slime most of the time?




Here's the angle: start a YouTube channel where you disavow all the elitist shit that you were involved in at the Shroomery, call this place a cult, and then promote a "hybrid" UB method. Maybe add a sketchy LC prep step, and encourage people to buy Wal-Mart brand rice. Rebrand it as "Great Value TEK." Rake in the cash with affiliate links to crappy overpriced equipment.


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    #28478943 - 09/22/23 05:27 PM (4 months, 3 days ago)

Holy shit.  um.  Do you want to be my business partner?  Dude trust me I have so many bad ideas that will kind of work.


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    #28478945 - 09/22/23 05:29 PM (4 months, 3 days ago)

Why not frozen corn?  It already has the moisture in it.  omg. smelly, I think it's time for a new challenge!!


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Why not frozen corn?  It already has the moisture in it.  omg. smelly, I think it's time for a new challenge!!



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    #28478949 - 09/22/23 05:34 PM (4 months, 3 days ago)

Frozen corn and it must be successfully inoculated with LC made in a hydroflask. Good luck.


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yeah I guess when you can't beat them join them.  Why fuck around with a nearly 100% success rate when you can just buy expensive shitty rice and turn it into slime most of the time?




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    #28478957 - 09/22/23 05:40 PM (4 months, 3 days ago)

lc is waaay too reliable.  No motherfucker, SPORES


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    #28478962 - 09/22/23 05:43 PM (4 months, 3 days ago)

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Why not frozen corn?  It already has the moisture in it.  omg. smelly, I think it's time for a new challenge!!




You musta missed my canned corn adventures… rinsed with boiling water… pc’ed for 45 minutes.  Worked but only in small jars.  It was still too wet.  Qts had waaay too much water after the pc but I grew mush with it


Edit: grew some mak 118 with Cc too lol


This was the qt after the pc


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    #28478968 - 09/22/23 05:47 PM (4 months, 3 days ago)

oh my God I can't breathe hahhaha.  and yet, I think I would try this before I did uncle Ben bullshit. 
that's amazing man.  I'm going to try a MorningStar corn dog.  Direct fruiting it. Nobody can stop me and only God may judge me


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oh my God I can't breathe hahhaha.  and yet, I think I would try this before I did uncle Ben bullshit. 
that's amazing man.  I'm going to try a MorningStar corn dog.  Direct fruiting it. Nobody can stop me and only God may judge me






Pro-tip...just fry that corn dog, slice it long ways and top with chili cheese....you're welcome.


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omfg you brought receipts :heart:

this post and the novelty thread are great examples of 'what's possible when you know what you're doing'

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oh my God I can't breathe hahhaha.  and yet, I think I would try this before I did uncle Ben bullshit. 
that's amazing man.  I'm going to try a MorningStar corn dog.  Direct fruiting it. Nobody can stop me and only God may judge me






Pro-tip...just fry that corn dog, slice it long ways and top with chili cheese....you're welcome.




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oh my God I can't breathe hahhaha.  and yet, I think I would try this before I did uncle Ben bullshit. 
that's amazing man.  I'm going to try a MorningStar corn dog.  Direct fruiting it. Nobody can stop me and only God may judge me








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    #28479280 - 09/22/23 09:45 PM (4 months, 3 days ago)

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yeah I guess when you can't beat them join them.  Why fuck around with a nearly 100% success rate when you can just buy expensive shitty rice and turn it into slime most of the time?




Here's the angle: start a YouTube channel where you disavow all the elitist shit that you were involved in at the Shroomery, call this place a cult, and then promote a "hybrid" UB method. Maybe add a sketchy LC prep step, and encourage people to buy Wal-Mart brand rice. Rebrand it as "Great Value TEK." Rake in the cash with affiliate links to crappy overpriced equipment.




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    #28479397 - 09/23/23 01:34 AM (4 months, 3 days ago)

Pfft, uncle bens is old news, just wait until you learn about Aunt Jemima tek!


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You musta missed my canned corn adventures… rinsed with boiling water… pc’ed for 45 minutes.



The water content of stuff like this can be estimated by looking at the nutritional content, or by weighing a small amount and heating it until bone dry.

I did canned sweetcorn, I put it in containers and microwaved it to both reduce the water content and steam the container itself.  https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4039905
Stephen L. Peele claimed to just use canned corn with no adjustment.


Loads of stuff like this was done before, people still seem to think it is a relatively new idea to use retort rice pouches.

this thread is over 18 years old using trader joe pouches, in it I was saying I tried UB a while before.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4177651

Here are some kidney beans and peas I did just experimenting, again microwaving to drive moisture off.


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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: blackout] * 1
    #28479486 - 09/23/23 06:03 AM (4 months, 3 days ago)

Definitely didn’t think I was the first one to try it.  There’s nothing new under the Sun, as they say. 

Just one of those things I’ve always wanted to try to see if I could grow mush with it.  It’s pretty low hanging fruit as it’s already hydrated sterile grain you can buy at the grocery store.

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    #28479499 - 09/23/23 06:14 AM (4 months, 3 days ago)

Yeah, it's cool to experiment and see what's possible, but being a pioneer with microwaveable rice bags is kind of like being those Berkeley students who developed the recipe for making crack lol


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    #28479669 - 09/23/23 09:38 AM (4 months, 2 days ago)

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Not sure I’d want to put claim to UBtek tho :lol:  jk



I am not claiming anything either, I imagine Peele and others were growing on persterilized grain back in the 70s, nothing new about it as you say too. There are several versions of UB, just like several PF teks. I am not sure if any are considered the definitive UB.  I was asking a previous poster for a link as I have absolutely no doubt I could offer increased chances of it working, -some people are going to try it regardless, so they should at least make some attempt to increase chances.

I remember when sporeworks were selling presterilized bags, some especially formulated with sclerotia in mind.

I was saying before it would be good if some vendors offered "extra clean" spores, people presume to know how they all do it. I have grown out shrooms in sealed heat treated bags without them even been opened, manipulating them and printing on the inside of the bags then injecting water and sucking out spores.

A 250g retort pouch of rice is 48cent for me. Wholegrains are typically quite expensive for me, many only in overpriced health shops. The idea of driving to some remote animal feed store and getting 20kg sacks of grain would not make sense to many, some people only want 1 dose every few years. Canned corn and pasta are also cheap where I live, sometimes down to supemarket "price wars". If somebody lived in a country where alcohol was illegal and just wanted to get drunk once a year they can buy apple juice and bread yeast in a supermarket and have it in a week, I expect a few big into brewing and/or distillation would probably be sneering, looking at all the fancy equipment they own, and remarking how expensive apple juice is since they press whole apples they get from some farmer by the half ton!

I microwaved to drive moisture off, verm or coir could be added to out of the can grains to soak up the excess


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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: blackout]
    #28479697 - 09/23/23 10:07 AM (4 months, 2 days ago)

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I have grown out shrooms in sealed heat treated bags without them even been opened, manipulating them and printing on the inside of the bags then injecting water and sucking out spores.




Haha.. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7656684

Damn things came out sterile… so close :lol:  not something I’d try again

But I have a pretty effective way to get clean (enough) prints that I use today… works very well https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27278816


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    #28479704 - 09/23/23 10:13 AM (4 months, 2 days ago)

Blackout, the most referenced UB Tek is hosted on Reddit. If you're interested it can be found here: https://www.reddit.com/r/unclebens/comments/el1da3/part_1_how_mushrooms_and_mycelium_grow/

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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: Tiamo] * 1
    #28479713 - 09/23/23 10:19 AM (4 months, 2 days ago)

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I would like to see how you would improve it, even if it was just a thought experiment. Cheers.




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    #28479750 - 09/23/23 10:37 AM (4 months, 2 days ago)

I'm not going to do UB Tek, but blackout said that he could improve it. I would like to learn from him, that's all.


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    #28479817 - 09/23/23 11:26 AM (4 months, 2 days ago)

I think you could reasonably improve on the “established tek” by using a good LC and using a red hot needle to penetrate the bag.

But if you can make clean LC you’re already so far past the point of UB that it would be a waste of your time in every way.


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    #28480943 - 09/24/23 12:12 PM (4 months, 1 day ago)

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Funny, I mainly picture Americans trying to get everything they need at Wal-Mart so they can go home and noc up some drugs.




Back in the growing days, it was Home Depot.  We didn't call it "Casa de Pot" for nothing.:smile:


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    #28480947 - 09/24/23 12:15 PM (4 months, 1 day ago)

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You mean like caprisun tek? Where you inject the spores into a caprisun pacific cooler pouch to make LC?




I heard this term in passing on a YT video and haven't ventured to look it up yet.  I'll bet its a doozy.


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    #28481135 - 09/24/23 02:45 PM (4 months, 1 day ago)

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this thread is over 18 years old using trader joe pouches, in it I was saying I tried UB a while before.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4177651




That was the exact post I was thinking of, I couldn't find it anywhere. Dope.


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    #28481163 - 09/24/23 03:17 PM (4 months, 1 day ago)

Don't do it. I think they changed the ingredients in capri-sun juice pouches to have monk fruit with less sugar since last year, in the US anyway... Just use apple or coconut water for the juice or something. Or, just make your own LC broth, lol.


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    #28484317 - 09/26/23 11:24 PM (3 months, 30 days ago)

No worries here.  I'll take my agar plates to a legit LC.  I am trying agar for the first time and it's kind of fun so far.  Thank you.


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    #28504546 - 10/14/23 04:58 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

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Blackout, the most referenced UB Tek is hosted on Reddit. If you're interested it can be found here: https://www.reddit.com/r/unclebens/comments/el1da3/part_1_how_mushrooms_and_mycelium_grow/

I would like to see how you would improve it, even if it was just a thought experiment. Cheers.



there are loads of changes I would make, but if somebody said they do not want any additional steps then 2 simple changes.

Instead of 0.5-0.75cc I would use 0.04cc -a single drop.

"Once bags are 20-30% colonized, break up the mycelium and shake vigorously." if shaken and massaged a lot it will draw in air through the filter, it will be like a bellows. If you insist on breaking it up it should not be shaken vigorously. There are other steps I would do but that is additional things needed, e.g. you would not just do it in open air if possible.


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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: TheLiesUnderneath]
    #28504605 - 10/14/23 04:58 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

This thread has been closed.

Reason:

The "Uncle Ben's Tek" is not a viable tek. The Shroomery would like to encourage new mushroom cultivators to adopt beginner friendly teks with proven track records; Bottom line, we want everyone to grow and harvest mushrooms with the highest possible rate of success.

If you insist upon using UB Tek, you can find plenty of amateur growers willing to help you over at Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/unclebens/

You can find more info here:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28500223

Or use the search function to access previously discussed grows.


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