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Bajazly
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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: HumbleDragon] 2
#28475232 - 09/19/23 04:38 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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I think that is why everybody here has fucked this Tek up because they weren't using lab coats, oh and the twist, never heard anything about that so yeah the twist is key, how could all the pros have missed that?
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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: Traveled] 1
#28475310 - 09/19/23 05:17 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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Traveled said: We are just hundreds of shroomerites jealous because we work hard with PCs and grain jars and some clever boys figured a better way. When I see the quality of this video and the scientific proofs about Unclebens it's all clear now.
The real key is the metal tables and lab coat. Can't believe I've lived in ignorance all these years.
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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: Bajazly] 2
#28475318 - 09/19/23 05:20 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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Bajazly said: I think that is why everybody here has fucked this Tek up because they weren't using lab coats, oh and the twist, never heard anything about that so yeah the twist is key, how could all the pros have missed that?
It's all the toxic gate-keeping that happens around here. Say anything that goes against established doctrine, and you immediately get shut down.
Obviously, nobody around here is eating their harvests. Otherwise, this place would be a lot friendlier and more welcoming to total strangers who want free advice on doing the bare minimum. As well as freethinkers who can see outside the confines of the mental prison we've created for ourselves.
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Edited by B Traven (09/19/23 05:20 PM)
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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: JFlowMan] 1
#28475435 - 09/19/23 06:21 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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JFlowMan said: Groundbreaking tek. Very impressed with the lab coat!
just wait until I drop my safety spek tek
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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#28475650 - 09/19/23 08:35 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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Stipe-n Cap said:

I love the syringes of multi-colored liquids, cuz you know, SCIENCE.
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TheLiesUnderneath
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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: Kinoko314] 2
#28475764 - 09/19/23 10:29 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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Not going to lie, I was honestly going to try uncle bens until I made this thread. The lab coat was extremely convincing
Edited by TheLiesUnderneath (09/19/23 10:29 PM)
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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: TheLiesUnderneath]
#28475767 - 09/19/23 10:34 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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Does anyone here know of any way to make the uncle ben's tek work? One would imagine that there's some way to sterilize the contents of the bag
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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: TheLiesUnderneath] 3
#28475770 - 09/19/23 10:39 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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It's not that it doesn't work. It's just that the results are awful, inconsistent, and near-impossible to improve upon in any meaningful way.
I don't know if those bags could withstand a pressure cooker cycle or not. I'm guessing maybe they could, as they're designed to be microwaved. But now you've got a pressure cooker, so you might as well save a ton of money and just cook up your own grain at that point.
The entire thing rests on the assumption that precooked rice has already been sterilized, so UBtek acolytes also wouldn't have much interest in going that route. But it is a fundamentally flawed assumption, as aseptic packaging is not the same as the sterilization cycles we run when prepping grain.
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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: TheLiesUnderneath] 1
#28475780 - 09/19/23 11:00 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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Why trying to sterilize expensive bags of rice when you can sterilize very cheap grain in whatever pp5 or glass containers?
But give it a try real science is based on experiences.
I did try UB in the same time that a few grain jars and PF cakes, same day same procedure same innoculent, and ended up with trich on all UB bags but loose only one grain jar and none of the cakes.
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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: Traveled] 9
#28475902 - 09/20/23 05:34 AM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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Even if the bags were immaculately sterile, spore solution isn't. Syringes are not sterile, some are cleaner than others. Even if you inoculated an UB bag with clean LC or an agar wedge without having first cross contaminated the bag while opening it, you're still left with a bag filtered by micropore tape.
It can work, but why would you bother? Let's remember that this "tek" is used to produce spawn, unlike PF tek. Contaminated spawn becomes exponentially worse when introduced to bulk substrate, bacteria and mold love warm humid environments.
PF tek on the otherhand is designed for septic spore solution, it's designed with failure in mind. The nature of the PF recipe/tek is to fruit directly from the inoculated substrate, the granular rice flour keeps bacteria locked in place, allowing for the possibility of a small flush even when contaminated. Noobs do not appreciate the sheer simplistic genius of the PF tek. PF tek can be inoculated without a SAB or any consideration for aseptic technique, or previous experience.
PF tek doesn't require a pressure cooker; PF tek is inexpensive; PF tek is noob friendly; PF tek is designed for use with spore syringes; PF tek is designed to be run cheaply in volume, and is the only acceptable, reasonable introduction tek for new growers exploring the cultivation of many active species without the requirement for obtaining expensive equipment.
PF is a mush cult legend, who the fuck even started this nonsense? WillyMyco? 
I remember this emerging on the boards many moons ago as a novelty grow, and that's exactly what this is: Novelty.
Pssh!
Edited by Stipe-n Cap (09/20/23 07:52 AM)
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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: Stipe-n Cap] 1
#28475922 - 09/20/23 06:08 AM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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Stipe-n Cap said: Even if the bags were immaculately sterile, spore solution isn't. Syringes are not sterile, some are cleaner than others. Even if you inoculated an UB bag with clean LC or an agar wedge without having first cross contaminated the bag while opening it, you're still left with a bag filtered by micropore tape.
It can work, but why would you bother? Let's remember that this "tek" is used to produce spawn, unlike PF tek. Contaminated spawn becomes exponentially worse when introduced to bulk substrate, bacteria and mold love warm humid environments.
PF tek on the otherhand is designed for septic spore solution, it's designed with failure in mind. The nature of the PF recipe/tek is to fruit directly from the inoculated substrate, the granular rice flour keeps bacteria locked in place, allowing for the possibility of a small flush even when contaminated. Noobs do not appreciate the sheer simplistic genius of the PF tek.
PF tek doesn't require a pressure cooker.
Thank you for this clear description of the process going under those teks. It's always pleasant to know why rather than just reading "do this" and "don't do that" .
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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: Traveled] 4
#28475939 - 09/20/23 06:29 AM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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Ah Uncle Ben, my oldest friend. You never age and you never change. May God shine his blessing down on your oily grains.
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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: TheLiesUnderneath] 3
#28476744 - 09/20/23 04:57 PM (4 months, 5 days ago) |
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TheLiesUnderneath said: Does anyone here know of any way to make the uncle ben's tek work?
It does work, in a way, just very poorly, with an extremely high failure rate. Many people have tried to improve it or 'make it work', as you say, over the past 18-20 years on here, and still getting similar results to what folks on reddit and youtube are getting now. That is why this so called 'tek' was abandoned ages ago on the Shroomery, although we do still get questions about it.
I think what you are actually wanting an answer to; Are there easy ways to grow mushrooms at home with a high success rate?
Yes, of course there is. There are thousands of cultivation posts on here that contain the word 'tek'. That doesn't mean there are thousands of ways to grow cubes. In my opinion, there are just three main* ways:
Agar to grain: The traditional method, high success rate. Needs a pressure cooker, SAB (or flowhood/FFU).
PF-Tek (BRF): The 'Psilocybe Fanaticus' method, High success rate, easy, foolproof, lower yield. Needs a spore syringe, SAB preferred, PC optional.
Or a combination of those two utilizing both BRF and agar.
* There are also bottle teks and ziploc bag teks that will work great as well.
Pick a popular, highly rated, successful tek and follow it. You'll end up with plenty of mushrooms!
When choosing a tek, use common sense. Don't go with one that is highly controversial or has fallen out of favor, or doesn't work. Use the same logic that you use when buying off Amazon or Ebay, check the ratings, so to speak.
The only times a newbie fails usually, using proven teks, is they don't use sterile technique, don't follow the directions, or improvise and take shortcuts.
Some common improvs I've seen: Couldn't find 8oz wide mouth jars for PF, so used a quart jar. Instead of oats, used oatmeal. Instead of vermiculite, used perlite (they rhyme), Didn't have ffu, so taped t-shirt to box fan, etc. Little things like that will ruin a grow.
Just pick a proven tek and follow it.
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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: veggie] 7
#28476822 - 09/20/23 06:10 PM (4 months, 5 days ago) |
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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: Baba Yaga]
#28476824 - 09/20/23 06:12 PM (4 months, 5 days ago) |
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Addababa!
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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: TheLiesUnderneath] 1
#28476828 - 09/20/23 06:14 PM (4 months, 5 days ago) |
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TheLiesUnderneath said: Does anyone here know of any way to make the uncle ben's tek work?
can you link exactly what you are talking about when you say "uncle ben's tek". Just like the supposed "pf tek" I see lots of variations, with stuff I would totally discourage in some.
I have previous posts showing successful grows with pouched rice, I recommend re-heat treating it and various other things to reduce risk.
e.g. in this video he seems to use a full syringe in 4 bags, pure madness. In other videos I am pretty sure I saw 1cc/1ml, still crazy. If you search my posts you may find advice, with full explanations, e.g. I get 25 drops per ml, so his 2.5ml would do 62bags if it was 1 drop per bag, hugely decreasing the risk of contams if you presume a syringe has a finite number of contams. If you dilute your syringe properly it is reduced far more again.
I have posted a lot about various aspects, e.g. how naysayers are often UScentric, (semi)big growers, or have actually even tripped before! and so may bizarrely presume everybody is similar to themselves. I am in various cooking groups and nobody scoffs in utter disbelief/disdain/disgust at the thought of people buying pouches of precooked rice. My supermarket has a huge shelf space dedicated to sterile rice pouches, people value convenience, is this so hard to understand? many want 1 mild trip per year max! many are hopeless at cooking rice/grains or anything, are people really this ignorant/stupid not to realise this?! the mind boggles...
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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: blackout] 3
#28476844 - 09/20/23 06:26 PM (4 months, 5 days ago) |
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Funny, I mainly picture Americans trying to get everything they need at Wal-Mart so they can go home and noc up some drugs.
I really don't know what to say about the rest of it, except I don't give a shit about supporting peoples' slide into justification for being lazy and incompetent. Especially when the outcome is more single-use plastic waste. And yes, I'm referring to eating those stupid pouches, too. If someone can't be assed to figure out how to make rice, then I can't be assed to humor them and answer their questions.
I'm perfectly fine with there being somewhat of a barrier to entry. And not entirely comfortable with the idea of someone growing "just a little bit" of completely unknown potency, with no hope of ever achieving a calibration.
It's not at all hard to understand, but it's also something I have no interest in encouraging.
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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: blackout] 2
#28476846 - 09/20/23 06:27 PM (4 months, 5 days ago) |
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"your trich is contaminated with myc"
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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 2
#28476920 - 09/20/23 07:09 PM (4 months, 5 days ago) |
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my UB experience helped teach how to use an SAB, but was otherwise pretty worthless. Even the bags inoc'd with an LC syringe came out smelling like sour ass. The difference between UB and proper teks has been really satisfying. Kind of like crashing a bicycle before learning to ride a sport bike
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Re: Uncle Ben's Tek-If you ==-+ haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 1
#28477019 - 09/20/23 07:49 PM (4 months, 5 days ago) |
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Its not even called uncle ben's brown rice anymore, it's "ben's original" now. BO, yo!.. They jacked the price up almost an extra dollar per pouch over the last 1-2 years, because so many people on foodstamps were stripping the shelves clear in every store, as "UB" tek gained popularity. My best guess anyway, lol.
I think the whole "having more moisture content in "BO" pouches" compared to the other cheaper store owned brands is a myth. I noticed water pool up in the bottom of pouches that are more compressed(like the BO bags are from the factory compared to all the others btw), and depending on how they are stored, includingthe temps, but as soon as you fluff the rice around it reabsorbs. Someone probably seen the pooled up water and spread rumors, lol. The store brands do the same but not as bad because they aren't as packed in the pouch.
I just wouldn't buy that brand for $2-3, or expect people to pay that much for rice per pouch either when the store brands are 1.25 each, or sometimes even cheaper on sale.
I'm not even gonna bring up how people inject too much, because that's what gave the pre sterilized grain bags (the proper way to refer to them, not UB) their bad name in the first place. Injecting with spore solution. Some don't care though, and willing to gamble on a few bucks worth of MSS and cheap rice packs. I almost did too. Some people buy all the stuff to prepare their own grains, and end still end up growing shitloads of contams too. IMO, its more about proper technique than what your working with. It's not that hard to treat the bags with care when shaking them up, and making sure the vacuum seal doesn't suck in bad air by using a SAB, and also clipping the bags off first, and only use a small bit of any solutions.
Seriously, if the 90 second rice bags had no label (all clear would be nice, and the bigger family size packs (1 qt worth) that have brown rice instead of basmati too) and were simply referred to as grains like any other jar or grain bag, then I really don't see the difference from most other teks where you inoculate the grains much in the same way. I see micropore tape on their jar lids\bottles too.
I think if someone simply renamed it to BO tek.. or something else lol.. and advise whoever to buy a few premade agar dishes online somewhere for a few extra bux to get a clean culture(or only use guaranteed or your money back sterile LC syringes), and a block of coir, and construct a SAB to work the rice bags in.. that it couldn't be beat as far as someone that just wants a small decent sized batch or 2 with little overhead cost, but not as tiny as the flushes little pf cakes put out in the same time frame.
How can you beat paying $2.50 per quart (2 pouches worth, unless they come out with brown rice variety in the family 120 second size ) of nutritious perfect every time brown rice in the bag ready to go, that came from the most sophisticated rice cooker machine ever?
1 cardboard case of 90 second rice pouches has 8 of them, and cost $10 at my local store. For their own brand which is supposedly better anyway. That's 4 quarts of human grade grains minus possible endospores almost ready to go, which could get you a qp dried fruits if done right when bulking it out per case of pouches. Will pf tek get you anywhere near that much?
You would have to do a couple hours work to prepare that same 4 qts of whatever else, and baby sit a big enough pressure cooker that cost more money,plus buy all the jars or even plastic autoclaveable "mushroom bags" that cost almost half as much as a bag of pre sterilized rice as is..
Or, just conveniently grab a case for 10 bucks. Time is money right?
It seems like the perfect middle ground between going all out and preparing your own grains.. on top of buying the equipment to do it consistently enough to be worth it, and also just using pf tek instead to grow a few small bags worth which probably takes up the same amount of time over all..
That's how I see it anyway, and i'm sure there is a way to invent some kind of reusable gas exchange ports you can glue right to the bags before peircing them open.. instead of cutting them up with the bag clips trying not to suck in open air before you get the tape on. Treat them like any other grow bags that have built in ports too right?..
I don't like the waste though, which Is probably the only reason why I wouldn't continue using the pouches for any long period of time.
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