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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: DharmaForKarma] 3
#28474984 - 09/19/23 12:46 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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My mind can always be changed by satisactory data.
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JXAllen
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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28475033 - 09/19/23 01:56 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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BeefSupremeJr said:
SGFC still used for pans? I thought the water tub pretty much replaced the sgfc because its just better at doing the same job.
Pan Cakes are a specific tek for growing pans and other exotics. They're cased and top fruited rather than being birthed like standard BRF cakes. Instead of placing them on the perlite, you make a hole and set the dish into it so that the surface of the cake is just above the perlite. If anyone knows a better method of fruiting them, I'd love to know.
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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: JXAllen] 2
#28475050 - 09/19/23 02:13 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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sure sure, i had a sgfc im not pretending like they dont work I just fail to see how they offer a different climate than a water tub but im not a pan man. (yet) water tub just seems like its a little more forgiving in terms of neglect-ability and again, im kindof limiting this discussion to cubes because noobs dont tend to attempt exotics.
im just chillin and waitin on that sweet, sweet abort potency data.
Edited by BeefSupremeJr (09/19/23 02:20 PM)
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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: JXAllen] 3
#28475082 - 09/19/23 02:34 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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Use a regular tub, don't use a sgfc. They're notoriously difficult to regulate. Here's a better option:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26601054/fpart/all
Here's another option:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26565367
Standard PF tek performs better when top fruited, imo. SGFC seems like hazing noobs, it's like asking the new guy at work to go find the "fill in the blank task that's stupid but sounds reasonable to an outsider", just so that everyone at the break table can get a good chuckle. 
"Hey noob, go drill 10,000 evenly spaced holes in a tub, be careful not to crack it"
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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Stipe-n Cap] 1
#28475095 - 09/19/23 02:46 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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BeefSupremeJr said: im kindof limiting this discussion to cubes because noobs dont tend to attempt exotics.
Gotcha, was just following up with the previous comment.
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Stipe-n Cap said: Use a regular tub, don't use a sgfc. They're notoriously difficult to regulate.
I've used water chambers when I was fruiting cube BRF cakes.
I wasn't planning on making a full on SGFC, more of an easy dial, but with perlite instead of sub. But after taking a look at that second link you shared, I'm changing my plans in my head. This looks like what I'm looking for. Thank you!
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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: JXAllen] 3
#28475115 - 09/19/23 03:01 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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Ive always had a shit time when i tried to reinvent wheels. ymmv but my feeling is, you gotta know the rules before you break em.
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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Stipe-n Cap] 2
#28475121 - 09/19/23 03:07 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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I still boil my coir and throw the bucket into a cooler for a couple days. I also shred it first.
I absolutely hate working with over-hydrated coir, so I push the envelope for how little water I can add. The boiling water settles into the material better, as does the warm condensation that occurs later. I also treat my coir like shit and sometimes let it sit around for months, so I like the extra insurance.
I'd totally go the manure route if I had easy access to it, and/or lived in an environment more conducive to working with it. I used manure in my very first grow on grains, and I actually think it did help make up for my atrocious technique (spores to quarts, among other sins). I think the idea that's outdated here is that it really makes any difference at all what your substrate is (as long as it's processed correctly).
Most of my shoeboxes are modified, a few aren't. I still tape the holes with masking tape at spawning, and then switch to micropore tape later. I'm still running the unmodded tubs, too, so I know it doesn't make much of a difference, but it helps me keep track of where all my tubs are in the process. I'm also heavy-handed with my supplemental lighting. I like to slow evaporation a bit at the outset, and then ramp it up a bit later. I know I could be more "efficient" and "dialed-in," but I don't care and don't want to think about it.
When it comes to cubes, I think the most outdated thing of all is any prescriptions or recipes once you get to the spawning stage. Pretty much everyone would do well to just focus on clean spawn. And to wrap their heads around the idea that all the spawning terms we throw around are just deck chairs on a ship. And the cleanliness of our spawn is what determines whether that ship is the Titanic.
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Edited by B Traven (09/19/23 03:08 PM)
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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: B Traven] 4
#28475124 - 09/19/23 03:11 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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Pretty much everyone would do well to just focus on clean spawn. And to wrap their heads around the idea that all the spawning terms we throw around are just deck chairs on a ship. And the cleanliness of our spawn is what determines whether that ship is the Titanic.
Absolutely perfect. Clean spawn is king.
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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: DharmaForKarma]
#28475125 - 09/19/23 03:11 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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DharmaForKarma said: So far they are finding aborts are in fact more potent.
more potent than pins/small shrooms of the same size? i.e. pins that likely would have gone on to be regular shrooms, or more potent than fully grown out mature shrooms?
The theory I heard was that very small mushrooms would be more potent, be they aborts or not.
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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: blackout]
#28475130 - 09/19/23 03:14 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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inquiring minds would love some answers. maggots, anyone?
Edited by BeefSupremeJr (09/19/23 03:15 PM)
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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: B Traven]
#28475143 - 09/19/23 03:27 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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I'm not into aborts. I don't like trying to decide whether a fruit is too rotten to eat or not.
But really, I think people are just talking about pins.
I personally believe that the concentration of actives does tend to go down as fruits mature and put on weight. But I also think the shape of that curve is genetically determined. Some varieties might put on a ton of weight and retain their potency (ie., produce more actives in direct proportionto the added weight). Others might not. But I have no empirical evidence, just beliefs built on anecdotes. The only thing I know for sure is that I've gotten high as fuck on small amounts of pins on multiple occasions. But, again, this all begs for the application of the newer analysis techniques.
Another utterly unproven belief I have is that longer consolidation times and slower growth lead to higher potency (also begging for some multi-factorial analysis) Also, I hate the pace of growth in warmer conditions. I like growing on the cold side, for both of those reasons, regardless of how bacterial my spawn may be."They thrive at tropical temperatures" is hippie pseudoscience. They also grow wild at higher latitudes.
But, again, the outdated part is thinking that growing temperatures, within reason, amount to anything other than personal preference.
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Edited by B Traven (09/19/23 03:53 PM)
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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#28475159 - 09/19/23 03:44 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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"Hey noob, go drill 10,000 evenly spaced holes in a tub, be careful not to crack it"
Got me with this one - did it twice before my palm made it to my face.
How about - you must/must not seal bags before PCing them.
I don't ever seal my bags and haven't had an issue yet - The heat from the PC forms a nice seal in the folds
Though when I did, they never popped
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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: HumbleDragon]
#28475162 - 09/19/23 03:46 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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I've never once pre-sealed. They're designed to seal on cool down.
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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#28475192 - 09/19/23 04:13 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#28475225 - 09/19/23 04:31 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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Stipe-n Cap said: "Hey noob, go drill 10,000 evenly spaced holes in a tub, be careful not to crack it"
I didn't crack mine, but I started the holes with a soldering iron.
I wish the water tub was fully accepted as the FC of choice when I started. Bod was arguing with Mateja about SGFC vs water tub at the time. Given Bod's rep, I made an SGFC. Then I moved on to grain, so my SGFC just keeps other tubs off the floor.
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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Kinoko314] 1
#28475229 - 09/19/23 04:34 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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This is a great example of why you shouldn't accept arguments to authority.
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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#28475235 - 09/19/23 04:38 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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bod. i fondly remember him. he was like the doctor house of mycology. Fucking brilliant but didn't play well with others.
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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: DharmaForKarma] 1
#28475415 - 09/19/23 06:05 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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DharmaForKarma said:
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Stipe-n Cap said: Aborts are more potent than other fruit;
Funny thing about this one. Iβve had some chats with the folks who operate a local testing service. Theyβve been testing cannabis for several years (growers/dispensaries are required by law) and now are testing the State-legal psychedelics psilocybin, mescaline, and dmt. Theyβve published a bit of research and are collecting data on many things including aborts. So far they are finding aborts are in fact more potent.
Stay tuned. Iβll post when they publish.
It's not just aborts that are more potent, generally within a flush the smaller the fruit the higher the potency comparatively to their larger counter parts. This has been proven, and has always made sense. There is a point in the mushrooms life cycle where exponential growth is peaked, meaning the cell division becomes so great it out paces potency development. Once a mushroom reaches full/over maturity the potency will be less than that same mushroom before the veil tore so to speak, this is also due to water absorption, alkaloids are further dispersed within the fruiting body.
This test can be done at home nowadays with a Miraculix Psilo-Q potency test kit, they are very accurate vs HPLC.
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Edited by Eclipse3130 (09/19/23 06:31 PM)
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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Eclipse3130]
#28476201 - 09/20/23 10:28 AM (4 months, 5 days ago) |
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How about this one?
Fork tek, bullshit or no?
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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: chikn fingaz]
#28476211 - 09/20/23 10:35 AM (4 months, 5 days ago) |
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ive never tried but it seems counterintuitive to beat the shit out of your sub for no reason? ive often thought about perforating a sub with a chopstick to try to rehydrate better, but that also seems counterintuitive and probably does more harm than good in terms of hydration.
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