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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: BuzzedAlien] * 2
    #28610529 - 01/05/24 01:25 PM (22 days, 18 hours ago)

For sure. Just don't sleep on clean spawn,  your Substrate preparation and your Tub setup, and you'll do better than 99% of beginners. You also won't have to touch the tub at all or really worry about conditions in my experience.


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Way]
    #28625762 - 01/18/24 10:36 AM (9 days, 21 hours ago)

I have a question that may relate here. Do successive flushes increase the chance of mutation? Is this a proven thing or old theory?

Thanks.


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The Entire Beginner Area Is Hazing for Noobs [Re: Stipe-n Cap] * 1
    #28632533 - 01/23/24 07:32 PM (4 days, 12 hours ago)

The absolute very first lesson that I took away from joining this forum as a complete and total infant level noob, was UTSF...search the archives, check all the links, and don't ask stupid questions or you will be shunned.

So I have spent a lot of time going through all the recommended links to Teks, starting with the Getting Started Menu, poring through the Noob Forum, and taking detailed notes. Which is how I stumbled upon the Hitchhiker's Guide, which is how I found this thread. And by page 3 I wanted to cry. Because I have been reading and taking detailed notes on outdated information for DAYS.

And I couldn't help but laugh at the absurdity of it because in almost every Tek post, there is a statement to the effect of "don't worry about why some steps are necessary just trust those that have been doing this a while and follow the steps." Except I'm in Hogwarts and the staircases are moving because I don't even know which steps I'm supposed to know that I'm skipping. This thread was at minimum helpful at giving me a list of things to research that I literally just read to definitely do, but now read not to do.

So yeah, this noob is going to take my ass back to the PF Tek (or one of them??) and try to graduate from there. Wish me luck...I need it :crazy:


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Re: The Entire Beginner Area Is Hazing for Noobs [Re: Tarahkaja]
    #28632645 - 01/23/24 09:08 PM (4 days, 10 hours ago)

I'm old, outdated and obsolete. Do I get a spot on the list? :smile:


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Re: The Entire Beginner Area Is Hazing for Noobs [Re: HelloImBob]
    #28632669 - 01/23/24 09:41 PM (4 days, 10 hours ago)

Im afraid not Bob :sadyes:


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Re: The Entire Beginner Area Is Hazing for Noobs [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #28632677 - 01/23/24 09:48 PM (4 days, 10 hours ago)

Oh bummer well I tried!


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Re: The Entire Beginner Area Is Hazing for Noobs [Re: Tarahkaja]
    #28632694 - 01/23/24 10:15 PM (4 days, 9 hours ago)

Quote:

Tarahkaja said:
The absolute very first lesson that I took away from joining this forum as a complete and total infant level noob, was UTSF...search the archives, check all the links, and don't ask stupid questions or you will be shunned.

So I have spent a lot of time going through all the recommended links to Teks, starting with the Getting Started Menu, poring through the Noob Forum, and taking detailed notes. Which is how I stumbled upon the Hitchhiker's Guide, which is how I found this thread. And by page 3 I wanted to cry. Because I have been reading and taking detailed notes on outdated information for DAYS.

And I couldn't help but laugh at the absurdity of it because in almost every Tek post, there is a statement to the effect of "don't worry about why some steps are necessary just trust those that have been doing this a while and follow the steps." Except I'm in Hogwarts and the staircases are moving because I don't even know which steps I'm supposed to know that I'm skipping. This thread was at minimum helpful at giving me a list of things to research that I literally just read to definitely do, but now read not to do.

So yeah, this noob is going to take my ass back to the PF Tek (or one of them??) and try to graduate from there. Wish me luck...I need it :crazy:




Its perilous here i know. ive done my best to light the way. please let me know if you have trouble finding what you need.


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OfflineBlopblop
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Re: The Entire Beginner Area Is Hazing for Noobs [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
    #28632937 - 01/24/24 07:20 AM (4 days, 37 minutes ago)

I Too, wish I found this thread  when I started. I’ve used( with varying amounts of success) many outdated teks. 🤡Live and learn I guess. Thanks for posting all this.


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Re: The Entire Beginner Area Is Hazing for Noobs [Re: Blopblop]
    #28633083 - 01/24/24 09:26 AM (3 days, 22 hours ago)

Quote:

BeefSupremeJr said:
Quote:

Tarahkaja said:
The absolute very first lesson that I took away from joining this forum as a complete and total infant level noob, was UTSF...search the archives, check all the links, and don't ask stupid questions or you will be shunned.

So I have spent a lot of time going through all the recommended links to Teks, starting with the Getting Started Menu, poring through the Noob Forum, and taking detailed notes. Which is how I stumbled upon the Hitchhiker's Guide, which is how I found this thread. And by page 3 I wanted to cry. Because I have been reading and taking detailed notes on outdated information for DAYS.

And I couldn't help but laugh at the absurdity of it because in almost every Tek post, there is a statement to the effect of "don't worry about why some steps are necessary just trust those that have been doing this a while and follow the steps." Except I'm in Hogwarts and the staircases are moving because I don't even know which steps I'm supposed to know that I'm skipping. This thread was at minimum helpful at giving me a list of things to research that I literally just read to definitely do, but now read not to do.

So yeah, this noob is going to take my ass back to the PF Tek (or one of them??) and try to graduate from there. Wish me luck...I need it :crazy:




Its perilous here i know. ive done my best to light the way. please let me know if you have trouble finding what you need.



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Blopblop said:
I Too, wish I found this thread  when I started. I’ve used( with varying amounts of success) many outdated teks. 🤡Live and learn I guess. Thanks for posting all this.



I feel like this is part of the journey for MOST of us. And will continue to be for new users in the future.

I spent months and months myself on the non-forum side, before ever posting my first question in the forum. Ultimately, I have come to understand that this is a resource of free information and because of the overwhelming quantity of data, it is impossible to expect it to be perfectly curated... very much like the internet itself, eh?

Anyway, I appreciate all of you contributors especially the TC! You all have unselfishly taken countless hours your precious time to document what you have learned on your own journeys. You are instruments of the universe and this myco peon thanks you.

:seriousthankyou:


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
    #28633138 - 01/24/24 10:20 AM (3 days, 21 hours ago)

title fix


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: ReverendMyc]
    #28633241 - 01/24/24 12:14 PM (3 days, 19 hours ago)

Thx rev.  thanks everyone for the acknowledgement.


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Re: The Entire Beginner Area Is Hazing for Noobs [Re: Blopblop] * 1
    #28633304 - 01/24/24 01:00 PM (3 days, 18 hours ago)

Upon re-reading my post in the light of day, I realized that I did not adequately express my gratitude for this post of outdated tek AND for all of the people here that take the time to share their knowledge, and to care enough to let people know that they are operating on old information. Very much appreciated!!

And to mycosispeon's point, it IS sort of incredible that this forum of organically shared knowledge has been around for over 20 years and is still going strong. Without which all of us would either be forever operating off of old tek or not any tek at all!

Thank you kindly for your offer of assistance. I will absolutely take you up on that at some point I am certain.


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Re: The Entire Beginner Area Is Hazing for Noobs [Re: Tarahkaja]
    #28633317 - 01/24/24 01:12 PM (3 days, 18 hours ago)

Using grow lights caught my eye. Recently picked up a 6500K led strip based on my research. Is this not sufficient or is this point referencing needing proper lumen output?


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Re: The Entire Beginner Area Is Hazing for Noobs [Re: AdmiralDrew]
    #28633336 - 01/24/24 01:34 PM (3 days, 18 hours ago)

Quote:

AdmiralDrew said:
Using grow lights caught my eye. Recently picked up a 6500K led strip based on my research. Is this not sufficient or is this point referencing needing proper lumen output?



6500k is perfect as long as it puts out at least 500lux at your substrate. Run it 14h per day. If it’s less than 500lux, it’ll still be fine, but perhaps lower yield.


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Re: The Entire Beginner Area Is Hazing for Noobs [Re: San Pedro Girl] * 1
    #28633352 - 01/24/24 01:42 PM (3 days, 18 hours ago)

I spent a year failing and almost giving up entirely thanks to youtube and random, outdated sites online. Don't exactly remember when I stumbled onto the Shroomery, but it was almost instant turnaround to having successful flushes.

My second biggest pitfall was trying to reinvent the wheel. It's hilarious to me now how the less and less I do, the more mushrooms I end up with.

All thanks to the decades of dedication from the TC's and others. Truly standing on the shoulders of giants.


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: ReverendMyc]
    #28633391 - 01/24/24 02:11 PM (3 days, 17 hours ago)

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ReverendMyc said:
title fix




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I thought mods could fix this. [Re: Baba Yaga]
    #28633394 - 01/24/24 02:17 PM (3 days, 17 hours ago)

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Baba Yaga said:
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ReverendMyc said:
title fix




:whathesaid:



I thought mods could lock the title so it can’t be edited if the OP requests it.


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Re: I thought mods could fix this. [Re: BeefSupremeJr] * 1
    #28633502 - 01/24/24 04:24 PM (3 days, 15 hours ago)

I'm hesitant to add to the various contradictory instructions floating around, but whatever:

I think two things to keep in mind when doing research-  by incorporating them into searches, and/or just considering them while reading- are the age of a post, and the person who wrote it. I think it's best to identify people who you think you trust. Not just look for a TC tag or lack thereof, but get a sense of who the poster is any time you're reading something. And then gradually, over time, know who you're gonna pay a little more attention to when they pop up in a conversation. As for the date of posts, it's important to keep in mind that things have evolved QUICKLY in the past few years. But also,that there are old heads who have at least tried pretty much everything you could see here. And never mistake seeing something mentioned a lot for it being necessary or common practice. Urban legends die hard sometimes.

The thing about light is that musrooms don't need it for energy the way plants do. So there's never gonna be established light requirements the way there are for something like indoor weed. Because the requirements are far lower and much more nebulous, the amount of ambient sunlight and other artificial light sources in a space is also going to play a role. Lights also generate heat and evaporation, so it's not hard to see things like faster growth and early pinning, and then incorrectly attribute them. It's just one of those things that's super hard to nail down definitively, and also just not a worthwhile thing to obsess over. Go with what feels right or is most convenient, and then tweak it as you go.


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Re: The Entire Beginner Area Is Hazing for Noobs [Re: Haste] * 1
    #28633577 - 01/24/24 05:16 PM (3 days, 14 hours ago)

Quote:

Haste said:
I spent a year failing and almost giving up entirely thanks to youtube and random, outdated sites online. Don't exactly remember when I stumbled onto the Shroomery, but it was almost instant turnaround to having successful flushes.

My second biggest pitfall was trying to reinvent the wheel. It's hilarious to me now how the less and less I do, the more mushrooms I end up with.

All thanks to the decades of dedication from the TC's and others. Truly standing on the shoulders of giants.




Not trying to be an ass and not directed specifically at this post because it's true shroomery is the place to learn. I can't be thankful enough for this place, I was able to learn so much from so many people before this stuff was common place, before youtube and reddit.

Shroomery holds a special place in my heart/life that wouldn't be the same without it.

Makes me wonder how us old timers ever had any success back in the day before all these new changes came to be.

I do find it kind of funny that people act like a decade ago people didn't grow huge tubs with giant flushes started from their own spore prints without the aid of agar using random ass ultrasonic humidifiers modified to connect to PVC pipes into fruiting tubs.

Obviously it's great to improve on methods and help newbies from making small mistakes that can be frustrating and cost a lot of time.

Sure simple is better and easier overall but we had some revolutionary people blazing trails into uncharted territory all trying to figure out the best ways to make their grows unique and special to them while also posting it for others benefit or glory.

I guess it's just kind of sad that it feels like a cookie cutter shroomery where everybody just follows the few basic new teks instead of trying to be original and experimenting like a science lab, but how original can you be after so many years of progress at the same time...Simpsons did it....simpsons did it! (south park)

I know times have changed around here but I still feel a lot if this stuff is just a joke for the people that don't know any better.

Maybe I'm just behind in the times and still love RRs let's grow mushrooms videos and professor fanticus for bringing us pf-tek, without all of the outdated stuff today we wouldn't be where we are today.

It just gets old to see so many posts say that's outdated like it didn't work in the past instead of being not the most efficient or reliable way to do things.

Sorry about my rant it's just hard to catch up after being gone for so long it's a little overwhelming at first. That's not anybody's fault but my own, life leads us in different directions at times. You can plan any way you want but it doesn't mean it will do any good. Sometimes it's your own mistakes that get in the way other times it's things out of your control.

I feel like the main character from Idiotocracy still (not sure) if this for real.

I probably need to find president Comacho for a pardon because I'm sure I'm gonna upset some people being behind in the times lol...

Love you guys, don't think that I'm not glad for progress and steps in the right direction. I just feel lost at the moment.


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Re: The Entire Beginner Area Is Hazing for Noobs [Re: San Pedro Girl]
    #28633579 - 01/24/24 05:18 PM (3 days, 14 hours ago)

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San Pedro Girl said:
Quote:

AdmiralDrew said:
Using grow lights caught my eye. Recently picked up a 6500K led strip based on my research. Is this not sufficient or is this point referencing needing proper lumen output?



6500k is perfect as long as it puts out at least 500lux at your substrate. Run it 14h per day. If it’s less than 500lux, it’ll still be fine, but perhaps lower yield.




Mines advertised at 800 lumens which we all know may or may not be close but thanks for the confirmation. Puts my mind at ease.


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