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Re: Tulpamancy vs Deity Yoga and Omnicyclion [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #28470084 - 09/15/23 01:50 PM (4 months, 10 days ago)

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What are the role of demons in the shaping of man?

The gnostic text Hypostasis of the Archons talks about this.



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I felt that it's the Bible, retold with sympathy for the Devil.




To me, this implies that he's the revolutionary who tells us how to say 'no'.

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Interview with the vampire then?




:peace: I've seen the movie but don't understand your intended meaning.


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Re: Tulpamancy vs Deity Yoga and Omnicyclion [Re: durian_2008]
    #28470190 - 09/15/23 03:16 PM (4 months, 10 days ago)

I think of the different personas we see, in consciousness experiments, in terms of a graphical user interface, with humanoid features.



I feel that tulpamancers, incorporating the sensitivities of modernism and the Enlightenment, are playing the role of Lucifer.

They are not creating some inconsiderate form of life, that barely moves, not creating some labor post to fill by a servitor, but they intend to create a conscious mind, with a will of it's own.


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    #28472508 - 09/17/23 12:41 PM (4 months, 8 days ago)

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BrendanFlock said:
What are the role of demons in the shaping of man?

The gnostic text Hypostasis of the Archons talks about this.



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Hypostasis
shared existence of spiritual or corporal entities



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The substance, essence, or underlying reality.
Any of the persons of the Trinity.
The essential person of Jesus in which his human and divine natures are united.





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The most famous of all Zhuangzi stories—"Zhuang Zhou Dreams of Being a Butterfly"—appears at the end of the second chapter, "On the Equality of Things".

        Once, Zhuang Zhou dreamed he was a butterfly, a butterfly flitting and fluttering about, happy with himself and doing as he pleased. He didn't know that he was Zhuang Zhou.

        Suddenly he woke up and there he was, solid and unmistakable Zhuang Zhou. But he didn't know if he was Zhuang Zhou who had dreamt he was a butterfly, or a butterfly dreaming that he was Zhuang Zhou. Between Zhuang Zhou and the butterfly there must be some distinction! This is called the Transformation of Things.
    — Zhuangzi, chapter 2 (Watson translation)




A solution is offered to what appears to be a cyclical paradox.

It is argued that there are different orders of life in the netherworld.

This solution places Zhuang Zhou (aka Zhuangzi) in the role of caterpillar, in the nascent role, and the butterfly as emergent. He is hinting at distinction and transformation.

A comparable paradox is said in relation to mankind with elementals and fallen angels, in which it is asked, who made who.

Did it make humankind, or did humankind make it --


Some of the characters in my dreams are definitely taking on the appearance of things I had thought about during the daytime. But, it is argued by some philosophers that intellegences like our own are only embodied by the trappings of outward appearances. For instance, anything with any kind of body, anywhere, the caterpillar, butterfly, man, tulpa, alien, or silly cartoon character is assumed by some to have a preexistent, immortal soul, mainly defined by whatever it is feeling at the present moment.

In some interpretations of Zhuangzi, all that actually existed was his happiness.

This implies that such beings should be made and developed with a happy purpose.

Except, in what appear to be parallel dimensions, there is a very broad range of utilitarian things to do, no more or less than in our sciences and industries, like in ordinary reality.


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