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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Enlil]
    #28470863 - 09/16/23 09:05 AM (4 months, 9 days ago)

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your perception of his wackiness is just the examples of the suppression of his voice.




Suppression?  I heard him talk.  He was wacky.  Where's the suppression?




and you heard a bunch of people make a zeitgeist about how wacky it was...blah blah blah

again, maybe you have no clue that advertisements on tv are brainwashing you... maybe you think that log cabin corn syrupt IS better than the real thing....

who knows.

im sure you arent brainwashed one bit enlil.... how could you be... you so smart :smile:


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: rxb]
    #28471653 - 09/16/23 08:46 PM (4 months, 9 days ago)

What people, and what did they say?  What evidence do you have that I heard anyone say a single fucking thing about Perot?


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: rxb]
    #28471914 - 09/17/23 05:43 AM (4 months, 8 days ago)

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If a third party gets 30% they will panic. No argument with that. The establishment is also not losing any sleep over it. When did they get 10%?




ross perot got like 18 percent and made both parties panic.




You got me. He got almost 19% which was highest since 1902. He didn't get any electoral votes. The Perot effect did cause Clinton to get well under a majority of the popular vote, although a huge win over H. Bush in the electoral college.

I don't know what you mean by Perot would have won if given fair treatment. He was a billionaire. I'm agreeing with Enlil's two assessments that Perot would have done better in current political conditions with no favorable candidates from the major parties, and that Perot hurt himself with wacky statements. Bill Clinton had tons of charisma and Bush had a quick victory in the first gulf war. Perot said that the Viet Cong hired the Black Panthers to assassinate him in the 60's. There was no supporting evidence. During the campaign he said that Bush and the Republican Party conspired to disrupt his daughter's wedding in Texas. So he dropped out of the race for several weeks and then returned.


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Brian Jones]
    #28471918 - 09/17/23 05:51 AM (4 months, 8 days ago)

If you live in a predominant blue or red state where your vote is already drowned out you really should vote 3rd party just to upset the balance.


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #28471958 - 09/17/23 06:45 AM (4 months, 8 days ago)

I do not understand the big impetus to disrupt?  I would think picking of our choices to make it work as well as possible would be a much better goal.  Disruption might be a bit over rated if it gives no clue of what you end up with.  It seems that was kind of tried with trump and we ended up with the worst president yet.


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: gww] * 1
    #28472016 - 09/17/23 07:48 AM (4 months, 8 days ago)

Around half the population thought we shouldn't disrupt the status quo regarding Parliament and the monarchy. It's always a judgement call and you'll never know until after the fact whether it was a good idea at a given time and place but nibbling around the margins doesn't produce big progress on human lifetime timescales.  Voting unconditionally doesn't hold anyone accountable.  To some degree you have to be willing to take the hit if you want any political entity to represent your interests. Sometimes that will play out in your favor long term and sometimes you'll end up with Trump.


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28472021 - 09/17/23 07:59 AM (4 months, 8 days ago)

Was it a good thing?  We would have socialized healthcare, slavery would have been abolished in 1833 as opposed to 1865. 

Real talk about the revolution, a bunch of rich dudes were pissed that a company got to undercut their illegal tea smuggling operation.  Lot of poor people died so rich people could get richer. :sadyes:


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Ice9] * 1
    #28472033 - 09/17/23 08:08 AM (4 months, 8 days ago)

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Lot of poor people died so rich people could get richer




That's an accurate description of probably every war ever.


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Ice9]
    #28472035 - 09/17/23 08:09 AM (4 months, 8 days ago)

Coffee is better then tea any day.:cool:


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28472047 - 09/17/23 08:20 AM (4 months, 8 days ago)

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Around half the population thought we shouldn't disrupt the status quo regarding Parliament and the monarchy. It's always a judgement call and you'll never know until after the fact whether it was a good idea at a given time and place but nibbling around the margins doesn't produce big progress on human lifetime timescales.  Voting unconditionally doesn't hold anyone accountable.  To some degree you have to be willing to take the hit if you want any political entity to represent your interests. Sometimes that will play out in your favor long term and sometimes you'll end up with Trump.



I agree with everything you said.  The question here is what is currently affecting your life so bad that it is worth the risk of disruption that might effect you in real ways.  Are the problems now able to be addressed playing the margins with out added risk?  Health care?  Is one party making enough incremental improvement to just keep pegging away at it or taking the chance with pure disruption are you really sabotaging your own position.  It is all math.


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Enlil]
    #28472231 - 09/17/23 10:21 AM (4 months, 8 days ago)

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What people, and what did they say?  What evidence do you have that I heard anyone say a single fucking thing about Perot?




i see you trolling. and im ackknowledging it, just so you know im not ignoring YOU... but im ignoring it when you troll senselessly and make the world a much worse place. if you are going to argue from ignorance i not going to engage with you about it... talk like adults do casually.. or just stop responding to me at all. or you'll keep getting nothing from me when you troll. unless THIS reply is what you are after and if so... kodos... you got it


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