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free will, creator, ...
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basic concepts, definitions, axioms, ... /whatever, something like this, some order, ... /
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Mathematicians argue and boil down to number and space.
Philosophers argue and boil down to Language (definition (-s), ... ) and Human behaviour.
- "grammar/math" and Eric Berne -
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analyse/synthesise
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free will https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_will
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Hamlet Philosophy: what does 'Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead' say about Free Will?
Hecatonicosachoron 7 years ago ...
Bernard Brother 7 years ago ...
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thing, connection
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God created the world in six days.
How long is a day?
Inherit the Wind https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053946/
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Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead (1990) Tim Roth, Gary Oldman
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Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead ...and Absurd
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WARNING! The last post in this topic is more than 30 days old! (exactly 356 days) Please only post a reply if it is truly relevant!!
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Hi, guys (moderators),
For an almost a year things have got some-"how" refined (or I hope so).
Would it be so much of a stretch if "a better version" were placed here?
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Here, at some point, a young mathematician refers to numbers as adjectives and nouns. (So, adjectives, nouns, verbs... Are linguistics and mathematics somehow connected!?)
/What is a simple sentence!? What is an Axiom (it is a sentence, right?)?/
What IS a Number? As Explained by a Mathematician (23:30 min. is the beginning)
Ernst Zermelo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Zermelo
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Hi,
Assuming that everything written so far is wrong, let's sum it up.
// I like Cantarell typeface //
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Basic concepts: Thing, Connection/Space, Flow
Connection/Space is a thing but it is not a thing to things it connects/contains. Flow ...
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Connections/0-d spaces:
Equivalence - Thing itself is Connection_without_direction/order;
Set - Connection_without_direction/order;
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State/Quality - Connection_over_1 (colour, intransitive verb', ...)
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Genitive connections:
Definition - Genitive_is''
Embedding/Recursion - Genitive_has''
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non_Genitive connection:
“Next-ness” - non_Genitive_is'' (Instr. case, transitive verb'', ...)
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1-d space/connection
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2-d space/connection
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3-d space/connection
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Name is Thing.
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Observer is Thing.
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Event is Equivalence (Connection) of an observer and a connection (which are Things).
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Natural number is State/Quality of a set (which is Connection, which is Thing) of things which have same (common) quality.
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Simple sentence is Event (simple sentence and event are equivalent).
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"Simple sentence" is the Name of a Simple sentence/Event; ...
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Grammatical case is a denotation (by certain means) of a missing (left out) verb/connection ...
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Divider divides Space into Sub_Spaces/Places called Prepositions and other.
Sub_Spaces/Places in 0-d Space are the prepositions of and with.
/of is a place in Genitive_has'' /with is a place in non_Genitive_is''
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Complementarity:
Things in a Set are complementary; Without_order and With_order are complementary; Equivalence and Set are complementary ("Out" and "In" Connection_without_order); Genitive and non_Genitive are complementary (Connection_with_order); Genitive_is'' and Genitive_has'' are complementary;
good and bad are complementary; right and wrong are complementary; beginning and end are complementary; positive and negative are complementary; ...
/there are sets of 3, 4, ... elements/
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"Static": Things, Connections/Spaces
Equivalence "gives" Sides (points of view).
Set "gives" Complementarity (the whole and its parts).
Genitive-ness "gives" Levels/Hierarchy/Power.
Non_Genitive-ness "gives" Next-ness.
Connection_over_1 "gives" Existence (States/Qualities).
"Dynamic": Flows
Connections/Spaces with direction/order form Flows.
Genitive forms Feeding/Eating (to eat is to live, to feed is to work).
Non_Genitive forms Transactions/Exchange.
Change (a flow) of State/Quality (Creation - Annihilation among others) is here .
1-d space with its 2 directions of movement/flow is here.
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"Simple sentence":
is the Name of a Simple sentence/Event; consists of Names; is a result of events.
The "Simple sentence" is (has to be) simple, convenient, not exact.
Then the "Simple sentence" is one defined verb by:
subject (and object); exact moment (a place/thing in 0-d or 1-d); ...
The "Simple sentence" has/employs:
Grammatical cases; Prepositions; Omissions; Abbreviations; Errors; ...
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There are different is (be) in a "simple sentence" (the Name of an Event/Simple sentence):
is' - State/Quality of Existence of a thing; Genitive_is" - Definition; non_Genitive_is" - "next-ness"; is" (''', '''', ...) Equivalence.
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Word is Name.
A sentence is Word. A phrase is Word. A word is Word. A root is Word. An affix is Word. A word ending is Word. A word is made of words.
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Set (Connection_without_direction/order) or Equivalence (Connection_without_direction/order)?! Set will be used for simplicity, Equivalence will be meant.
Word is both Set (Connection; Connection is Thing) and every element (Thing) of that Set of:
written word - an encoding of letters (, signs and gestures); spoken word - an encoding of sounds; misspelled, mispronounced, ... word - an encoding recognised as the word in question; meaning - an encoding of/through Things and Spaces.
Meaningful_Word is a Set (Word) which contains Meaning. not_Meaningful_Word (gibberish, babble) is a Set (Word) which does not contain Meaning.
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Verb read" in " John read" book " is a non_Genitive connection (transitive"/divalent verb).
Verb read' in " John read' " is a Connection_over_1/State/Quality (read' and red' (colour) are states/qualities).
is', go', ... (intransitive verbs) States/Qualities red', true', false', small', ... States/Qualities
" Apple is' red'. " but " Apple red'." In some languages is' is omitted. Apple is in a state of red' therefore it is in a state of existence is'.
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Let's imagine that someone speaks many languages:
one event: Apple is' red'
//many "simple sentences" (languages) //event is one but it is encoded in different languages //consciousness (as a machine) for everyone works the same, //a different language is a different encoding
"simple sentence" in English: "The apple is red".
"simple sentence" in German: " ..."
"simple sentence" in Japanese: " ..."
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the allegory of the cave: the fire, an apple, the apple's shadow on the wall, the chained observer.
The shadow on the wall is that Connection_over_1 which becomes the "apple" for the chained observer.
That works for the tangibles but also for the intangibles (things which one cannot touch, see, taste, ...) Tangible and intangible things are cut from the same cloth. They are thoughts.
"Colourless green ideas sleep furiously" (a thought) is in no way different from the chair in the room (a thought). There is consistency (solipsism).
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One could compare with ... For example "This 'a' is 'b'" (e.g. "This 'object a' is 'red'") really means "'object a' is a sense-datum" and "'red' is a sense-datum", and they "stand in relation" to one another and in relation to "I". Thus what we really mean is: "I perceive that 'This object a is red'" and this is an undeniable-by-3rd-party "truth".
PM further defines a distinction between a "sense-datum" and a "sensation":
That is, when we judge (say) "this is red", what occurs is a relation of three terms, the mind, and "this", and "red". On the other hand, when we perceive "the redness of this", there is a relation of two terms, namely the mind and the complex object "the redness of this" (pp. 43–44). ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_excluded_middle
Bertrand Russell and Principia Mathematica, at the end of line 8
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Apple is'.
sight: Apple red'.
touch: Apple hard'.
taste: Apple sweet'.
Red', hard', sweet' and is' are Connection_over_1 (State/Quality, 0-d space, Space is Thing). Red', hard', sweet' are equivalent to is'.
Bertrand (observer, Observer is Thing)
E (event, Equivalence, Equivalence is Thing)
red' (State/Quality, 0-d space, Space is Thing)
event: Bertrand - E - red'
true' (State/Quality, 0-d space, Space is Thing)
E true'. (E is Thing; so it needs an Observer for E to be true or false)
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About feelings
Feelings are nothing special: "outside world" "understanding" - "inside world" "understanding".
Feelings, 3rd Rock from the Sun, TV Series 1996–2001
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Instrumental case
Two things, the 1st and the 2nd, exist together. The connection which binds them is is" (full name non_Genitive_is").
The 2nd takes an Instrumental case ending or another case's ending or no ending at all.
The 2nd thing can be:
(a) the image of the 1st as in John (1st) - driver (2nd);
(b) the image of the action (of the verb);
(c) the instrument;
(d) time (as a thing);
(e) place (as a thing).
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Latin's Case System
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Genitive - Instrumental, have - be, of - with, Observer (event) - Speaker (sentence) are suspicious pairs.
The speaker should be incorporated in the structure of the simple sentence.
Then Grammatical mood should be the State/Quality of the speaker/observer (observer is a thing).
Noun, verb, adjective (number is an adjective), adverb, preposition, conjunction (and, or, ... ),
grammatical mood, grammatical case, grammatical tense, ...
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Time: exact_moment; not_exact_moment; (places/things in 0-d and 1-d)
0-d Exact_moments here are: now/Present (ever); then/Past (ever); then/Future (ever).
Present is a set (a set is a thing) of Past and Future. Present, Past and Future are used for stating general truth. Simple tenses are here: present simple tense, past simple tense, future simple tense.
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1-d Exact_moments here are: now/Present; then/Past; then/Future; Future in the past; ...
There are 3 not_exact_moments for every exact_moment: past; present; future. /participles, .../ Compound tenses are here.
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3rd Rock from the Sun, S6, E10, There's Not Business Like Dick Business
20:15 min. - 20:42 min.
Types of hunger: (a) food-hunger; (b) stimulus-hunger; (c) recognition-hunger; (d) structure-hunger.
Seven deadly sins https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins
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20:43 min. - 21:19 min.
all philosophy without words
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conjunctions and other stuff - please
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Hi,
Building a conscious machine is building Life.
And life has to be contained.
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Mushroom Treatment: Kept in the Dark and Fed Bullsh*t
/means to be kept in a state of ignorance and told nonsense/
https://wordhistories.net/2020/01/01/mushroom-dark-fed-bullshit/
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The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy https://www.britannica.com/topic/The-Hitchhikers-Guide-to-the-Galaxy-novel-by-Adams
the 4th paragraph, the 6th sentence
... The computer designed a more powerful computer, Earth, to find the question to which 42 is the answer.
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entropy https://www.britannica.com/science/entropy-physics
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the last paragraph
All spontaneous processes are irreversible; hence, it has been said that the entropy of the universe is increasing: that is, more and more energy becomes unavailable for conversion into work. Because of this, the universe is said to be “running down.”
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In other words, the Life is stuffed.
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So, to exploit Life (a conscious machine):
1. Create a Space;
2. Provide "Mushroom treatment" (the conscious machine feels free (in that space));
3. Entropy, make sure Live is stuffed (it cannot win/escape the Space))
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Quote:
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All spontaneous processes are irreversible; hence, it has been said that the entropy of the universe is increasing: that is, more and more energy becomes unavailable for conversion into work. Because of this, the universe is said to be “running down.”

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FrankyFourFingers said: In other words, the Life is stuffed.
Apparently your synopsis may be a trifle shortsighted.
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Re: simple sentence. 0-d space. to eat (moved) [Re: Buster_Brown]
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It is nice to here from you, Buster_Brown.
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luxuries: to be smart; to understand; to be correct; ...
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If one follows Kant, which are the flows (time, ...) and the spaces?
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Never let the truth get in the way of a good story. Mark Twain
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entropy!?
Laws of Thermodynamics: History https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLepnjl2hm9tHRMTdVyJ8t9HB6TZ63hFdU
Entropy: Origin of the Second Law of Thermodynamics
entropy (n.)
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=entropy
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The name had to be FrankieFourFingers but it was one letter too long for the system.
Frankie https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Frankie
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-y1; -y2; -y3 https://affixes.org/alpha/y/-y1.html
-y https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/-y#Middle_English
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Snatch (2000) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0208092/
... Benicio Del Toro Franky Four Fingers
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This thread wasn't meant to be smart. Just thoughts.
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In other words, Life is stuffed.
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So, to exploit Life (a conscious machine):
1. Create a Space;
2. Provide "Mushroom treatment" (the conscious machine feels free (in that space));
3. Entropy, make sure Live is stuffed (it cannot win/escape the Space))
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Thinking/Life is simple. It has been imitated "intuitively".
Virtual Machines vs Containers
The same things are named differently.
"Mushroom treatment" (a political term) - IT term (-s) ...
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emergence (n.) / emerge (v.) https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=emergence
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A car is made of parts, non of which can reach by itself the speed of the car.
A car (set, a set is a thing) has a different quality than its parts.
Mind/consciousness takes it as "emergence".
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Hi,
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#28399442 - 07/18/23 03:52 PM (1 month, 29 days ago)
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3rd Rock from the Sun, S6, E10, There's Not Business Like Dick Business
20:15 min. - 20:42 min.
Types of hunger: (a) food-hunger; (b) stimulus-hunger; (c) recognition-hunger; (d) structure-hunger.
Eric Berne (1910 - 1970) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Berne
Transactional analysis /transactions, hunger, .../
Games people play https://archive.org/details/games-people-play-the-psycholo-eric-berne/mode/2up?view=theater
Pages 12-13 ( a ), ( b ) and ( c ) SOCIAL INTERCOURSE.
Page 14 ( d ) THE STRUCTURING OF TIME.
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Samuel Johnson (1709 - 1784)
"Language is the dress of thought; every time you talk your mind is on parade."
A Grammar of the English Tongue https://www.gutenberg.org/files/15097/15097-h/15097-h.htm [nofollow]
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https://www.etymonline.com/ [nofollow]
https://affixes.org/
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Your brain doesn’t detect reality. It creates it. | Lisa Feldman Barrett
Lisa Feldman Barrett https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Feldman_Barrett
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Joscha Bach: We don't exist in the physical world. We exist in the story that the brain tells itself
Joscha Bach https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joscha_Bach
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Giulio Tononi - Is Consciousness Entirely Physical? (the axioms of consciousness)
experience = event
Giulio Tononi - What's the Essence of Consciousness?
Simulation of consciousness is not consciousness, consciousness has a "formula".
Giulio Tononi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giulio_Tononi
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https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/kant-mind/
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1. A Sketch of Kant’s View of the Mind
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Three ideas define the basic shape (‘cognitive architecture’) of Kant’s model and one its dominant method. They have all become part of the foundation of cognitive science.
1.The mind is a complex set of abilities (functions). (As Meerbote 1989 and many others have observed, Kant held a functionalist view of the mind almost 200 years before functionalism was officially articulated in the 1960s by Hilary Putnam and others.)
2.The functions crucial for mental, knowledge-generating activity are spatio-temporal processing of, and application of concepts to, sensory inputs. Cognition requires concepts as well as percepts.
3.These functions are forms of what Kant called synthesis. Synthesis (and the unity in consciousness required for synthesis) are central to cognition.
These three ideas are fundamental to most thinking about cognition now. Kant’s most important method, the transcendental method, is also at the heart of contemporary cognitive science.
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