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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: xVadisx]
    #28474224 - 09/18/23 08:26 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Lol good one

I keep thinking about going bigger again, but it hasn't happened yet.

Going through all the random crap I'm storing in my larger tubs would probably help.


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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #28474246 - 09/18/23 08:38 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Okay you guys have to chill. This isn't contam. I mean if that's your opinion then fine. Since you guys are experts. I mean I can't really tell you otherwise. I saw it grow from the isolate and colonize the grain slowly. I have a negative control with no growth. There's no way this is bacterial contamination when the myc is growing forward and looks healthy. It's white, the same color as the myc. It's not little pockets that are isolated. Of course the only way I can prove you guys wrong is if I isolate it after I open the thing. Point out the contam and I'll isolate it in a nutrient agar once I open it.

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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: Zav3r] * 2
    #28474262 - 09/18/23 08:50 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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This isn't contam.



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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: NotFromGeorgia]
    #28474274 - 09/18/23 08:59 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Okay I admit this is kinda a weird jar.

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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: Zav3r]
    #28474278 - 09/18/23 09:01 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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Yeah I guess not 100%. but they look pretty clean to me. I mean it's just clean white mycelium growing all around.




Do yourself a huge favor and read Stipe's Clean Spawn Checklist.  Then, read it at least 13 more times.  You'll eventually come away with an understanding about how gnarly your jars are.  I learned more from that thread than I did in my first month trying mushcult. 

As you say "the jars look clean to me", ask yourself what you're basing your assessment on.  No one here is trying to give you a hard time; we're simply trying to explain that your assumptions are incorrect.  Listen to these people.  Everyone here wants to see you succeed, I promise you that.

I said it before on this thread and I still say it to myself on the reg: "Just because it's white doesn't mean it's right."


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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: Zav3r] * 1
    #28474291 - 09/18/23 09:07 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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Okay you guys have to chill. This isn't contam. I mean if that's your opinion then fine. Since you guys are experts. I mean I can't really tell you otherwise. I saw it grow from the isolate and colonize the grain slowly. I have a negative control with no growth. There's no way this is bacterial contamination when the myc is growing forward and looks healthy. It's white, the same color as the myc. It's not little pockets that are isolated. Of course the only way I can prove you guys wrong is if I isolate it after I open the thing. Point out the contam and I'll isolate it in a nutrient agar once I open it.




You don't have to prove anything to us.

Also, bear in mind that while people have offered you their advice, half the point here is that a bunch of other people will read this. We don't have a compelling need to prove you wrong and make you eat crow. But if you post a picture of something people deem to be infected, and you claim that it's perfect, then that does need to be addressed. Otherwise, future readers may be led astray.

This whole conversation has played out so many times. We harp on this shit because we've lived the difference between clean spawn and iffy spawn, and truly clean spawn is 1000 times less painful to work with.


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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: B Traven]
    #28474304 - 09/18/23 09:16 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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This whole conversation has played out so many times. We harp on this shit because we've lived the difference between clean spawn and iffy spawn, and truly clean spawn is 1000 times less painful to work with.




This might be the thruthiest of true truths ever typed.

Edit: is anyone gonna take the time to circle the contams or should we just walk on this one...


Edited by starvinghooker (09/18/23 09:23 PM)

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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: Zav3r] * 1
    #28474487 - 09/19/23 12:43 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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Okay you guys have to chill.




Classic, walk into any situation where you're dealing with knowledgeable members, get blasted for not having a clue and then saying "chill guys".

How do people get by in life with this attitude?

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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: DERRAYLD] * 2
    #28474489 - 09/19/23 12:52 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Well, I like to read these kind of threads, I just learned something else new to me. I especially like when noobs argue with the TCs because the Tcs explain how it is and how it should be. Thanks for the knowledge guys!


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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #28474508 - 09/19/23 01:44 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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How do people get by in life with this attitude?



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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: JXAllen]
    #28474616 - 09/19/23 06:45 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

So first off, none of you can be absolutely sure. I can’t be sure either. Im trying to learn as well. If you guys are absolutely certain, then you and me are no different with the level of stubbornness and inability to accept one being wrong.

Second, I think proving your or my claim’s validity is a good educational exercise. This may allow us to say “hey, maybe this guy is on to something” or maybe “I guess not everything here is correct because so much of the info here changes, or even contradicts itself at times.” And of course, “yeah this guy is a total idiot.”

I read the clean spawn checklist. Yes one of my jars seem off. but honestly the rest seem okay.

I’ll still try to take small chunks of the allegedly contaminated spawns and culture it. I wish I can use an anti fungal to check if there is indeed bacterial contamination but I can’t. Then ill post it here as a learning experience.

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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: Zav3r] * 1
    #28474618 - 09/19/23 06:50 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Do whatever you want to improve your learning but don't debate with us.
The majority that responded to you did so based on experience not some thumbsuck.

Your attitude is not the same as us giving you educated answers, to even make out like they are the same is really showing a serious lack of understanding.

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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: DERRAYLD] * 4
    #28474647 - 09/19/23 07:49 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Nothing can be known about cultivation with certainty.  Anyone who knows, knows they don't know what's going on with their spawn. Socratic paradox tek, for noobs.



I anticipate the locking of this thread.

Also, if you think you're equipped to isolate bacterial colonies from mycelia produced in septic conditions without proper technique, or equipment, you've really got us all beat.

We didn't need an entire thread to argue about shitty spawn, so if this doesn't change gears, expect to be eventually 🔒

Edit:

OP, this thread outlines sampling procedure for the isolation of bacteria from mycelium, along with the appropriate laboratory to send bacterial cultures for identification.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26872959

This thread has gone off topic. If you'd like to continue discussing the OP, feel free. Otherwise, feel free to argue on behalf of your plate cultures here:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25662166

Or you can discuss spawn in these two places:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27187543/fpart/1/vc/1

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23528067

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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #28474668 - 09/19/23 08:08 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

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Okay you guys have to chill.




Classic, walk into any situation where you're dealing with knowledgeable members, get blasted for not having a clue and then saying "chill guys".

How do people get by in life with this attitude?




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Edit: my apologies for continuing to add to the pile of useless, admittedly self-serving posts on this thread.  It bothered me way more than it should have and I allowed my emotional response to spill here.  I'm simply not equipped to explain to someone that they're wrong when they refuse to accept it even after 8 or so extremely knowledgeable others have already explained it.  There's a particular word for someone like that, but it's not in my normal vocabulary.  It's like a form of denial despite evidence to the contrary...there's a word for it that I can't think of.  Not "delusional" but something close.  Anywho, I'm locking myself out from this one.  If this isn't a troll then there's no help to be had.

BTW...where's Screwup been during all this? :lol:
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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: starvinghooker] * 1
    #28474699 - 09/19/23 08:40 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Cognitive dissonance. Is that the term you are looking for?


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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: thirdeyewild] * 1
    #28474719 - 09/19/23 08:58 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

i always struggled with sbs and i never knew it. flip the lid crack the lid twist it bop it pull it!  i dont think ill ever not do ez dials

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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #28474731 - 09/19/23 09:08 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Thank you. I don't know if  I can do bacterial isolation. it's possible with the right antifungal. I have access to the antifungal. I think exploring this avenue of study can open up other ways we can make sure spawn is clean. This is a learning process. You're not sure if there is contamination so you check. I think that's a pretty simple and healthy way to go about understanding your methods. A lot of things here in shroomery are about checking your work, testing if something works or doesn't work. I think I and everyone here for that matter have the liberty to "test" their theories with appropriate guidance of course. I think having a microbio and clinical background equips me with more skills to do what I want to do.

With that said thank you for the help.

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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: thirdeyewild] * 1
    #28474773 - 09/19/23 10:05 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Thank you, sir. You relieved me of that horrible feeling of having a word at the pointy end of your brain that for whatever reason won't cross over to the talky part of your mouth.  For your kindness, you get a cookie. It looks a lot like a light bulb, but these bakers are doing crazy shit these days.
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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: starvinghooker]
    #28475184 - 09/19/23 04:07 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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I'm pretty sure it's not contaminated. Yes it's not even growth but that could be just the way the myc grows. Even after the transfers the myc is growing really well in the grain jars.

That's why I'm saying I've done everything well up to the fruiting conditions. I appreciate the feedback but also some feedback also feels like it's not applicable to the situation.




Of course the myc is growing well in the jar of food you put it in...

But on topic - my first grow was a shoebox left in my basement and forgotten about. They pushed that lid right off.

Every other shoebox after that(and I do mean shoe sized box[vans at best]not 3 pairs of shoes) has been kind of underwhelming.

Every unmodified mono that I've done with(absolutely) questionable spawn has worked out great.

Also when I say absolutely, some of the first ones looked ABSOLUTELY like the jars you're trying to debate with the people who have done hundreds - thousands of jars.... They were bacterial. They are always bacterial.

Just because it works and its white doesn't make it right. #Murica

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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: HumbleDragon] * 1
    #28475218 - 09/19/23 04:26 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

I Originally planned to run Monotubs but had spawn issues with my first attempt so went Shoebox. After growing way more than I can consume in a year in Shoeboxes I never upsized and probably never will. Don't need to worry about losing a tub because 1 of 4 jars have contam. 1 jar 1 Shoebox = easier for me and less losses if something does contam.

I do prefer the purple handled 6Qt Sterlite tubs though as they have the most options for FAE.

Edited by RockinRobot (09/19/23 04:28 PM)

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