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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: Zav3r] 3
#28473533 - 09/18/23 09:45 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Zav3r said: ... for sure uneven growth COULD BE a sign of contamination but I don't think that's a certainty especially without any other visual clues.
I posted those middle plates up there because they're presenting with a problematic symetry. Transferring those plates to grain would set you back at least 2 months; I'm willing to bet you didn't catch it.
Just remember, there are people here who know a thing or two, and they're willing to share those experiences, free of charge.
Good luck.
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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#28473706 - 09/18/23 12:12 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Well firstly I didn't know about this symmetry thing.
and second I think they'll be okay. So far they are.
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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: Zav3r] 1
#28473747 - 09/18/23 12:56 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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SCIENCE
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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: Zav3r] 2
#28473751 - 09/18/23 12:58 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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You don't know, and that's exactly my point.
They might be fine, but that's not the point either. Just because you might get away with it once, doesn't mean it's the appropriate course of action.
Mycelium will present in a few different ways:
floccose, Tomentose, rhizomorphic, and scalloped. These are the four primary visual growth patterns. You may have experience with bacterial cultures, or perhaps yeast. It's apparent that you have zero experience with fungal or mold cultures, which ia to be expected.
Make all the mistakes you want, but don't dismiss offhand those in a position to help, we may not be here when the problems start to materialize from the advice you chose to ignore.
This is about the best advice you're likely to receive. Those who know will stop wasting their time, all you'll have left is the parrots and UB truthers
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RoscoeReturns said: I’m sure this will end well.

Someone let me know when the grain jar photos get posted. With all that prior YouTube experience, they should look superb.
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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: Zav3r]
#28474069 - 09/18/23 06:43 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Edited by Zav3r (09/18/23 06:52 PM)
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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: Zav3r]
#28474077 - 09/18/23 06:46 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Side note. I overcooked my grains that’s why they look like mush. This is my first time making grain spawn from scratch so I’m still trying to get that right. But I promise they were like that even right off the PC.
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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: Zav3r]
#28474079 - 09/18/23 06:47 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Zav3r said: thanks for the input. I'm 100% sure my spawns are clean. My methods against contam are near perfect.
im 100% sure youre not 100% sure. that said, im lovin ez dial monos. they work as advertised.
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Yeah I guess not 100%. but they look pretty clean to me. I mean it's just clean white mycelium growing all around.
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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: Zav3r]
#28474091 - 09/18/23 06:54 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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nah those wet grains against the glass. contam. that clumping together? contam. its very bacterial. it ok man. theyll still produce but yeah. stay humble. this hobby can floor you. been doing it for what.. 19 years? i still fuck up and i still lose tubs to trich.
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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: Zav3r]
#28474093 - 09/18/23 06:55 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Your spawn looks like garbage. This is why you listen to your elders, son 
Cram this in yer eye holes:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27187543/fpart/1/vc/1
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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: Stipe-n Cap] 1
#28474099 - 09/18/23 06:59 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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This thread has not disappointed. Thanks OP.
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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#28474103 - 09/18/23 07:00 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Stipe-n Cap said: Your spawn looks like garbage. This is why you listen to your elders, son 
Cram this in yer eye holes:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27187543/fpart/1/vc/1
cmon man im not that old
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Old enough to know better
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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#28474188 - 09/18/23 07:51 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Lmao
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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: Zav3r]
#28474211 - 09/18/23 08:16 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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old enough to know a contam when i see one for sure.
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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: Zav3r] 1
#28474214 - 09/18/23 08:17 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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On the original question, and also touching on this latest iteration of the "my spawn is perfect" conversation:
Truly clean spawn based on solid genetics will do just about anything you want it to. There's an infinite number of container permutations and air hole configurations that would work. "Monotubs" and "shoeboxes" are based on some of the most easily sourced plastic storage containers in the US. That's it. That's why we have them. If you look at different pictures on the forum, you'll see that people aren't even all using the same ones. We live in different climates, and different houses with their own heating and cooling systems. Every single grow space is going to be ever so slightly different from all the others.
Having a relatively larger vessel with more spawn mix in it will increase the overall size of the colony, and lead to a lower surface-area-to-volume ratio. Having a relatively smaller vessel will do the opposite. And that does translate into a number of differences. But if you can't get a canopy out of a shoebox, switching to a monotub isn't going to save you.
I started with larger tubs, then downsized to the 6 quart sterilites for a while because of contamination issues. Eventually, I just got used to them, and began to enjoy how much easier they were to stack and move around. Also, much easier to clean, store, and work with (they fit in my dishwasher). I also enjoyed being able to run more independent culture lines with the same amount of space and material.
Lately, I've been enjoying the ability to scoop up the entire substrate from a shoebox and drop it into a larger tub, basically turning it into a giant PF cake.
Seriously, do what's fun and what works for you. And if you're having serious issues, and aren't doing any dumb shit like fanning and misting, then the problem is usually your spawn.
All that said: I have never ever flipped a lid over, and I have no intention of ever doing so.
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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: B Traven]
#28474221 - 09/18/23 08:24 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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B Traven said: On the original question, and also touching on this latest iteration of the "my spawn is perfect" conversation:
Truly clean spawn based on solid genetics will do just about anything you want it to. There's an infinite number of container permutations and air hole configurations that would work. "Monotubs" and "shoeboxes" are based on some of the most easily sourced plastic storage containers in the US. That's it. That's why we have them. If you look at different pictures on the forum, you'll see that people aren't even all using the same ones. We live in different climates, and different houses with their own heating and cooling systems. Every single grow space is going to be ever so slightly different from all the others.
Having a relatively larger vessel with more spawn mix in it will increase the overall size of the colony, and lead to a lower surface-area-to-volume ratio. Having a relatively smaller vessel will do the opposite. And that does translate into a number of differences. But if you can't get a canopy out of a shoebox, switching to a monotub isn't going to save you.
I started with larger tubs, then downsized to the 6 quart sterilites for a while because of contamination issues. Eventually, I just got used to them, and began to enjoy how much easier they were to stack and move around. I also enjoyed being able to run more independent culture lines with the same amount of space and material.
Lately, I've been enjoying the ability to scoop up the entire substrate from a shoebox and drop it into a larger tub, basically turning it into a giant PF cake.
Seriously, do what's fun and what works for you. And if you're having serious issues, and aren't doing any dumb shit like fanning and misting, then the problem is usually your spawn.
All that said: I have never ever flipped a lid over, and I have no intention of ever doing so.
Only you have control over if you flip your lid or not. The mushies do help keep calm.
When I see folks running one type of container, nicely staked or organized, I'm kind of jealous. I run like 12 different containers and a shoe. I do like the 6qt shoeboxes as well, but have really started loving the 18qts.
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